St. Louis Rams

thewayofthearch · PostDec 03, 2008#1512008-12-03T16:50+00:00

I never made this a Warner/Bulger thing, and anyone thats folowed the Rams from the beginning knows it could be worse. The Miller/Banks Era of rams football is even still more mediocre than what we're seeing now.

I couldn't argue with letting Warner walk away at the time we did. I am glad for him he is enjoying success. I simply never thought Bulger should have been his replacement and especially didn't like the contract we just doled out.

Lets also take a look at the massive failures and cap hits in Randy McMichael and Drew Bennet.

What ridiculous busts.

What is Bennets contract? 6 for 36 mil?

Can we cut a tight end yet? Any one of the 6...

Who wants to take a 3rd rounder on Daniels and see if he can be Drew Breese?

And I think Al Saunders might be just as manic as Martz, but without the balls.

debaliviere · PostDec 03, 2008#1522008-12-03T17:32+00:00

In fairness, Chris Miller was a pretty good quarterback when healthy. He just got knocked senseless in the Rams' first season here.

In addition to McMichael and Bennett, don't forget about Dante Hall. Big bucks, big bust.

Right now, the best TE we have is Daniel Fells, whom we claimed off Atlanta's practice squad. Joe Klopfenstein should not be allowed any playing time the rest of the season.

I don't think Daniel is worth a 3rd round pick. I think he'll go pretty late in the draft, if at all.

thewayofthearch · PostDec 03, 2008#1532008-12-03T19:35+00:00

DeBaliviere wrote:In fairness, Chris Miller was a pretty good quarterback when healthy. He just got knocked senseless in the Rams' first season here.

I sense a theme...

In addition to McMichael and Bennett, don't forget about Dante Hall. Big bucks, big bust.

When he's not writhing in pain, he's been solid.

Right now, the best TE we have is Daniel Fells, whom we claimed off Atlanta's practice squad. Joe Klopfenstein should not be allowed any playing time the rest of the season.

I agree, but we havn't had a chance to ruin him yet. I also agree, and for some reason his last name evokes the image of a donkey with oversized hoofs holding giant beer mugs as he attempts to hold onto the ball.

I don't think Daniel is worth a 3rd round pick. I think he'll go pretty late in the draft, if at all.

I had hear 4-5...but c'mon, we took Joe with a 3rd, so we obviously aren't scared to stretch our board a bit.

blzhrpmd2 · PostDec 08, 2008#1542008-12-08T00:09+00:00

The saga of bad football with frustrating glimpses of potential continues.

Couldn't help but notice in one of the biggest games the Cardinals' history, in their brand new stadium in temperate weather, facing a horrible opponent, the stadium was not even close to being full. One more example of why it slays me why people are so down on our fans' loyalty and dedication, our stadium, etc. The same trends occur all around the league. We've got more of a just as much or more of a full house and our team is clawing for wins, much less a division championship.

Best of luck to the Big Red, but I don't see them going deep in the playoffs.

migueltejada · PostDec 08, 2008#1552008-12-08T03:12+00:00

Guys like Chase Daniel, Tim Tebow, Todd Reesing, etc will all be draft busts in the NFL. The NFL doesn't run a shotgun spread.

Some teams run some versions of it, but by and large NFL teams have their QB under center. It's a different game to College. Remember Tim Couch? Alex Smith? Vince Young?

Rams would do well to draft a left tackle first, then a right tackle, then a right guard, then left guard, and then a center. If they have any picks left, pick up another two linemen. This team needs talent up front and nowhere else.

debaliviere · PostDec 08, 2008#1562008-12-08T14:27+00:00

migueltejada wrote:Some teams run some versions of it, but by and large NFL teams have their QB under center. It's a different game to College. Remember Tim Couch? Alex Smith? Vince Young?

That's why it's really no surprise that guys like Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco are able to make the transition to the NFL while the QBs with the more glamourous college careers struggle.

We definitely need OL help, but I'd like to see us draft a QB as well.

tuskegee · PostDec 08, 2008#1572008-12-08T18:32+00:00

migueltejada wrote:Guys like Chase Daniel, Tim Tebow, Todd Reesing, etc will all be draft busts in the NFL. The NFL doesn't run a shotgun spread.

Some teams run some versions of it, but by and large NFL teams have their QB under center. It's a different game to College. Remember Tim Couch? Alex Smith? Vince Young?

Rams would do well to draft a left tackle first, then a right tackle, then a right guard, then left guard, and then a center. If they have any picks left, pick up another two linemen. This team needs talent up front and nowhere else.

The Rams need a new QB first and foremost. Bulger has had time to make plays and just hasn't. QB's are play makers, you can't rely on the O line to make the throw for you and the reciever isn't going to be running wide open. Thats where I good QB comes in and will put the ball in the right place. Our 1st round draft pick should for a QB.

migueltejada · PostDec 08, 2008#1582008-12-08T22:11+00:00

Tuskegee wrote:
The Rams need a new QB first and foremost. Bulger has had time to make plays and just hasn't. Quartbacks are play makers, you can't rely on the O line to make the throw for you and the reciever isn't going to be running wide open. Thats where I good quartback comes in and will put the ball in the right place. Our 1st round draft pick should for a QB.

No one has watched Bulger have they? Bulger always has been and always will be a timing route QB. He DOESN'T READ COVEREAGES POST SNAP. He never has. Bulger was one of the best at pre-snap reads, adjusting the receiver routes, and throwing timing routes. He throws the ball to where he expects the receiver to be. ALWAYS. From 2002-2006 this was OK cause Issac and Torry were fast and corners couldn't cover them.

Then they lost a step and it all went to $hit. Suddenly receivers weren't getting huge windows to catch the ball and defenses disguised coverages, and now he's pressing. pick pick pick

People should not be surprised by Bulger's poor play this season. If you want to draft a new QB cause Bulger's getting older, fine. But don't blame the hammer when the nails are crap.

jlblues · PostDec 08, 2008#1592008-12-08T23:05+00:00

^Bulger is..."The Hammer".

tuskegee · PostDec 08, 2008#1602008-12-08T23:42+00:00

migueltejada wrote:

People should not be surprised by Bulger's poor play this season. If you want to draft a new QB cause Bulger's getting older, fine. But don't blame the hammer when the nails are crap.

Agreed.

Even still the guy just can't make plays. We do have a few young bright recievers. I don't blame a guy for getting old or being exploited now. I blame the coaches for not sitting him down sooner. Rams need to clean house from top to bottom.

stldtfan · PostDec 09, 2008#1612008-12-09T02:34+00:00

Talent evaluation is a HUGE part of being succesful. Look at our drafts over the past few years. nuff said. Fire the whole front office first and foremost.

brickandmortar · PostDec 09, 2008#1622008-12-09T15:50+00:00

^that is absolutely what must be done at the end of the year. This front office cannot judge talent in the NFL.

debaliviere · PostDec 09, 2008#1632008-12-09T16:49+00:00

brickandmortar wrote:This front office cannot judge talent in the NFL.

I would have agreed with you before this year. I actually like Billy Devaney, and it's sounding like he will become the GM next year once Zygmunt and Shaw have departed.

This year's draft was the best we've had in a while.

brickandmortar · PostDec 09, 2008#1642008-12-09T17:22+00:00

^I'll give you that, you know a lot more about the front office than me. I guess I meant that Shaw and Zygmunt need to go.

DogtownBnR · PostDec 15, 2008#1652008-12-15T20:11+00:00

Has anyone heard that the latest individual interested in purchasing the Rams is August Busch IV? I heard that he and Rush Limbaugh are looking into forming a partnership once the economy picks up. Bernie Miklaus mentioned it in Sundays paper. I think that would be great. No matter what your political affiliations are, it would be good for the Rams to have smart, rich and local ownership. This will insure they stay here. I do not think politics be expressed or shoved down anyones throat. Rush L. would not be dumb enough to alienate fans that have different political views. I think that a local group needs to step up in the next couple of years or this team is history in St. Louis. I think new ownership and new management could right this ship quickly, if done right. Why not put all of that INBEV money back into St. Louis and the future of St.Louis football? Cash out one St. Louis icon and create/save another.

http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2008/12/13 ... -rams-sale

debaliviere · PostDec 15, 2008#1662008-12-15T20:25+00:00

^

I read that in Bernie's column - that would be great, IMO.

I wonder if Chip Rosenbloom would be interested in retaining a minority ownership stake in the team.

DogtownBnR · PostDec 15, 2008#1672008-12-15T21:06+00:00

^I'd prefer it if the Rams start fresh, 100% St. Louis owned. I think that would be a good way to make St. Louisans finally feel like they can embrace the Rams as their team, a true ST. Louis team, no LA connection, except in the history the franchise. I do have respect for the past and the LA Rams fans. We here is St. Louis have been through the loss of a franchise. We were lucky enough to get a new one. Now lets make sure we keep it!! This is the last chance in my opinion. If the Rams leave, the NFL here is history. I just wish we could build a 'loyal through thick and thin' fan base like other cities. Local ownership could do that over time.

dweebe · PostDec 15, 2008#1682008-12-15T21:22+00:00

DOGTOWNB&R wrote:^I'd prefer it if the Rams start fresh, 100% St. Louis owned. I think that would be a good way to make St. Louisans finally feel like they can embrace the Rams as their team, a true ST. Louis team, no LA connection, except in the history the franchise. I do have respect for the past and the LA Rams fans. We here is St. Louis have been through the loss of a franchise. We were lucky enough to get a new one. Now lets make sure we keep it!! This is the last chance in my opinion. If the Rams leave, the NFL here is history. I just wish we could build a 'loyal through thick and thin' fan base like other cities. Local ownership could do that over time.

I don't care if Rush Limbaugh, Michelle Malkin, Bill O'Reilly and Ann Coulter owned the Rams: if the team played with something resembling skill and enthusiasm, I'd be at the games.

DogtownBnR · PostDec 15, 2008#1692008-12-15T21:24+00:00

I don't care if Rush Limbaugh, Michelle Malkin, Bill O'Reilly and Ann Coulter owned the Rams: if the team played with something resembling skill and enthusiam, I'd be at the games

Damn good point!!!!

urbanpioneer · PostDec 15, 2008#1702008-12-15T22:12+00:00

With the Bengals winning yesterday, the Rams just jumped up in the draft to either the 2nd or 3rd pick (depending on tiebreaker). Personally, I think we should trade down a couple picks (say to the bottom of the top 10) and start stockpiling picks. We need to fill a bunch of holes, so getting as many young players as possible would be beneficial to the rebuilding effort.

debaliviere · PostDec 16, 2008#1712008-12-16T14:12+00:00

UrbanPioneer wrote:With the Bengals winning yesterday, the Rams just jumped up in the draft to either the 2nd or 3rd pick (depending on tiebreaker). Personally, I think we should trade down a couple picks (say to the bottom of the top 10) and start stockpiling picks. We need to fill a bunch of holes, so getting as many young players as possible would be beneficial to the rebuilding effort.

I would not be averse to that idea. It's looking like there are a few very good offensive linemen available this year, so if we could move down a few spots in the first round and pick up some later picks, that could work out well for us.

threeonefour · PostDec 16, 2008#1722008-12-16T15:24+00:00

DeBaliviere wrote:I would not be averse to that idea. It's looking like there are a few very good offensive linemen available this year, so if we could move down a few spots in the first round and pick up some later picks, that could work out well for us.

I like that idea as well- it could be that proverbial turning point that the Rams really need.

brickandmortar · PostJan 18, 2009#1732009-01-18T01:05+00:00

Looks like the Rams have their guy...Welcome Coach Spagnuolo. Of the guys on the short list, he was my favorite. Of course the Bucs let Jon Gruden go today and I thought he would be a good coach here. I'm just glad it's not Garrett, I about had a heartattack last night when rumors were pointing at him.

ESPN.com is reporting the Rams signed him to a 4 year/$12 million deal

http://www.stlouisrams.com/article/70413/

urbanpioneer · PostJan 19, 2009#1742009-01-19T05:37+00:00

Spagnuolo is a great choice and should really help the defense out. The Rams have talent on that side of the ball, so hopefully having a good defensive minded coach will help them put everything together.

I'm just glad they didn't bring Haslett back.

chris_on_kingsbury · PostJan 19, 2009#1752009-01-19T07:09+00:00

Having the Cardinals and Kurt Warner back in the Superbowl is a good substitute for the local team. Kurt's in and Tom Brady isn't! Go Kurt!

(Might even be worth a chuckle to tune into Kevin Slaton tomorrow, to hear his 'I told you so.")

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