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PostFeb 21, 2013#1

Could St. Louis host the International Olympics 120 years after it last hosted them?

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USOC sounding out 35 cities for 2024 Olympic bid
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updated 3:37 p.m. ET Feb. 19, 2013


The U.S. Olympic Committee is looking for cities interested in bidding for the 2024 Summer Games.

The USOC sent letters to the mayors of 35 cities Tuesday to gauge interest in a potential bid to bring the Summer Olympics back to the country for the first time since 1996.

"Our objective in this process is to identify a partner city that can work with us to present a compelling bid to the IOC and that has the right alignment of political, business and community leadership," USOC CEO Scott Blackmun said in the letter.

Following failed bids by New York and Chicago for the 2012 and 2016 Olympics, the USOC is taking a measured approach before moving ahead with a new campaign and wants to be sure it has a good chance of winning.

"This letter does not guarantee that the USOC will bid for the 2024 Games, but rather is an initial step in evaluating a potential bid," the committee said.

The letters were sent to mayors of the country's 25 largest cities — including New York, Chicago and former Olympic host cities Los Angeles, Atlanta and St. Louis — and 10 others.

The USOC has also said it would consider whether to bid for the 2026 Winter Olympics, although the bigger and more prestigious Summer Games would seem to be the preference.

The U.S. hasn't hosted the Summer Olympics since Atlanta in 1996; Salt Lake City was the last American city to stage the Winter Games in 2002.

Los Angeles, Dallas and Tulsa, Okla., are among the cities that have expressed interest in hosting the 2024 Games. New York, Chicago and San Francisco have either bid or expressed interest in bidding in the past and could also get in the mix.

New York finished fourth in the international bidding for the 2012 Olympics, which went to London. Chicago suffered a stinging first-round exit in the vote for the 2016 Games, which were awarded to Rio de Janeiro.

Chicago's defeat was blamed partly on the revenue-sharing feud between the USOC and IOC. The two sides have since resolved the dispute and signed a new agreement that clears the way for a U.S. bid. USOC leaders have also worked hard to improve the committee's standing in the international Olympic community.

"Now more than ever, we need to use the power of the Olympic and Paralympic Games to encourage our youth to be active and engaged in sport," Blackmun wrote.

Other cities around the world that have expressed interest in bidding for the 2024 Games include Paris; Rome; Doha, Dubai; and Durban, South Africa. The IOC vote on the 2024 Games will be in 2017.

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I think we can pull that off in time for 2024 - but sailing is required to take place at the sea. But if they sent out a feeler anyway maybe they're ok with St. Louis being so far from the ocean.

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PostFeb 22, 2013#3

As far as sailing is concerned, it just wasn't held in 1904 when STL hosted last time (the only time it hasn't been held as an Olympic event). But when Atlanta hosted in 1996, they held sailing in Savannah, which is about 4 hours from Atlanta. When Mexico City hosted in 1968, sailing was held in Acapulco, again about 4 hours away. In a modern STL bid, I could see events at Kentucky Lake/Lake Barkley. It's about 3 hours away, next to Paducah, easy Interstate access.

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stlhistory wrote:As far as sailing is concerned, it just wasn't held in 1904 when STL hosted last time (the only time it hasn't been held as an Olympic event). But when Atlanta hosted in 1996, they held sailing in Savannah, which is about 4 hours from Atlanta. When Mexico City hosted in 1968, sailing was held in Acapulco, again about 4 hours away. In a modern STL bid, I could see events at Kentucky Lake/Lake Barkley. It's about 3 hours away, next to Paducah, easy Interstate access.

Lake Michigan might be a better option...

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PostFeb 22, 2013#5

I doubt Chicago would play ball if they didn't get the bid. And if you went to Indiana or Wisconsin, it's pushing a 6-7 hour trip.

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PostFeb 22, 2013#6

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stlhistory wrote:As far as sailing is concerned, it just wasn't held in 1904 when STL hosted last time (the only time it hasn't been held as an Olympic event). But when Atlanta hosted in 1996, they held sailing in Savannah, which is about 4 hours from Atlanta. When Mexico City hosted in 1968, sailing was held in Acapulco, again about 4 hours away. In a modern STL bid, I could see events at Kentucky Lake/Lake Barkley. It's about 3 hours away, next to Paducah, easy Interstate access.

Lake Michigan might be a better option...
Carlyle Lake?
Table Rock Lake?
Lake of the Ozarks?

There are some local or state lakes that could suffice.

Expose the world to the grandeur of the Ozarks!

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PostFeb 22, 2013#7

If we had a solid combination of unified regional governance with visionary leadership and lots of upstart business capital, I would say yes.

We don't, so no.

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^Hey come on part of the fun of this site is the ability to dream big dreams for St. Louis not matter how much of a long shot.

Interestingly St. Louis would probably see more benefit from an Olympic bid than most. Chicago is already an international city it won't really up their image any. And many of these cities aren't in the market for a new stadiums which is the largest fraction of the hosting expense. Dallas Houston Seattle NewYork and SanFran all have new stadiums that by 2024 will be considered old. Honestly I doubt it will be a previous host city. St. Louis chances are probably less than 1%. :( I would put my money on Chicago, SanFran, or Seattle.

Realistically I think we would do better off trying to support Chicago's bid, share some of the cost in return for an equal portion of the events. Obviously they would get the highest profile stuff but we could host some soccer and basketball here. SE Missouri has some class III rapids for whitewater rafting. Other things maybe Chicago doesn't want to invest in but would add to St. Louis infrastructure. Plus get that new High speed rail to Chicago going. It opens some interesting opportunities worth exploring.

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PostFeb 22, 2013#9

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ricke002 wrote:
stlhistory wrote:As far as sailing is concerned, it just wasn't held in 1904 when STL hosted last time (the only time it hasn't been held as an Olympic event). But when Atlanta hosted in 1996, they held sailing in Savannah, which is about 4 hours from Atlanta. When Mexico City hosted in 1968, sailing was held in Acapulco, again about 4 hours away. In a modern STL bid, I could see events at Kentucky Lake/Lake Barkley. It's about 3 hours away, next to Paducah, easy Interstate access.

Lake Michigan might be a better option...
Carlyle Lake?
Table Rock Lake?
Lake of the Ozarks?

There are some local or state lakes that could suffice.

Expose the world to the grandeur of the Ozarks!
I was going more for the recreation of the ocean in the Midwest. Lake Michigan is as oceanic as you'll get. Plus, plenty of wind needed for sailing.

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PostFeb 22, 2013#10

I totally think St. Louis should bid on it! Might be the impetus to build more MetroLink lines!

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PostFeb 22, 2013#11

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailing_at ... r_Olympics
According to the IOC statutes the contests in all sport disciplines must be held either in, or as close as possible to the city which the IOC has chosen. An exception was made for the Olympic yachting events, which customarily must be staged on the open sea. On account of this principle, the city of Savannah was chosen for the organization of the sailing events. Spectators were given the opportunity to board boats that will sail out to the courses to provide a close look at the competition. About 1000 spectators per day made use of the opportunity.
They've never chosen an offshore site for sailing at the Olympics, its probably not a big deal but I'm just making note. I'm sure Lake Michigan would be fine.

I think the Olympics will wind up in New Orleans, but I'd love to see it back here.

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PostFeb 23, 2013#12

STL hosted the US olympic trials in 1994... it had 37 olympic-style events in 10 days (according to LA times article - link below). Sailing was done at Carlyle... which is home base to numerous sailboats in excess of 35' in length. Boats in the olympics range from wind surfing to 23' (thought the star class boats which are 23' LOA aren't being sailed in Rio). In any case - it is plenty big enough for the kind of boats they use in the olympics(at least based on size alone)... Rec-Plex was used for aquatics - not good for an olympic venue due to accessibility and low seating capacity.

http://articles.latimes.com/1994-07-01/ ... c-festival

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STLEnginerd wrote:^Hey come on part of the fun of this site is the ability to dream big dreams for St. Louis not matter how much of a long shot.

Interestingly St. Louis would probably see more benefit from an Olympic bid than most. Chicago is already an international city it won't really up their image any. And many of these cities aren't in the market for a new stadiums which is the largest fraction of the hosting expense. Dallas Houston Seattle NewYork and SanFran all have new stadiums that by 2024 will be considered old. Honestly I doubt it will be a previous host city. St. Louis chances are probably less than 1%. :( I would put my money on Chicago, SanFran, or Seattle.

Realistically I think we would do better off trying to support Chicago's bid, share some of the cost in return for an equal portion of the events. Obviously they would get the highest profile stuff but we could host some soccer and basketball here. SE Missouri has some class III rapids for whitewater rafting. Other things maybe Chicago doesn't want to invest in but would add to St. Louis infrastructure. Plus get that new High speed rail to Chicago going. It opens some interesting opportunities worth exploring.
Not trying to offend you, but that was positive. :mrgreen:

Cities like Chicago, Houston, Dallas, Atlanta etc. are more international and successful because they think BIG. Why can't St. Louis? St. Louis was a city of big thinkers - EADS bridge, Lambert Field, 1904 Olympics, World's Fair etc.

What happened?

In my opinion, don't play second fiddle to Chicago. St. Louis needs to stop riding Chicago's coattails and recognize its own strength and strengths.

Further, local leadership should not approach this letter as a simple act of kindness. They should give the letter careful consideration. Explore the possibilities not just with the CVC but with business, civic and college/university leaders. This is a great opportunity for St. Louis to ride the wave of its current resurgence.

St. Louis has hosted some very successful major events - NCAA Men's and Women's Final Fours, Olympic trials in various sports, World Series, MLB All-Star Game, U.S. Olympic Festival, Big 12 Football Championships, world class golf tournaments, etc. so why not shoot for the Olympics again? If not 2024, how about 2028?

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Hey I'm all for STL putting together a package if Tulsa thinks they can host there is no reason St. Louis couldn't. If Tulsa won I think my brain would explode. But sure put a package together. Present all the investment required to make this happen including transit, infrastructure, unified government just to get the public aware and onboard for making those changes olympics or no olympics.

I do honestly believe with one olympics under our belts its hard to believe we would get it just based on the concept of fairness and how seldom the games are set in the US maybe once every 20 years. We are already in an elite group of host cities. How many cities have hosted twice... Athens thant might be it. I'm to lazy to go to wikipedia to look that up so feel free. Just seems like the long shot of long shots.

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PostFeb 23, 2013#15

^ I believe Los Angeles had it twice too

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goat314 wrote:^ I believe Los Angeles had it twice too
Paris twice and London thrice

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PostMar 05, 2013#17

http://nextstl.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7680

St. Louis 2024 Olympic Bid Committee
http://www.facebook.com/pages/St-Louis- ... 7504131424

Venue Map
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie ... 9002585c80

ARCHERY, Francis Field, 8000
ARTISTIC GYMNASTICS, Gateway Dome (North End), 30000
ATHLETICS, Gateway Olympic Stadium, 80000
BADMINTON,America's Center Lewis & Clark Hall (Hall 5), 6000
BASKETBALL, Gateway Dome (South End), 35000 & Mizzou Arena, 14000
BEACH VOLLEYBALL, Creve Coeur Arena, 15000
BOXING, Chaifetz Arena, 10000
CANOE/KAYAK FLATWATER, George Winter Park (Fenton, MO), 20000
CANOE/KAYAK SLALOM, St. Francis River Slalom Center (Ironton, MO), 15000
CYCLING BMX, Forest Park Biking Center (Central Field BMX Stadium), 6000
CYCLING MOUNTAIN, Mark Twain Forest Biking Center (Ironton, MO), 2000
CYCLING ROAD
Start-Cahokia Mounds (Collinsville, IL), n/a
Route-Cahokia Mounds to Pere Marquette State Park, n/a
Finish-Pere Marquette State Park (Grafton, IL)
CYCLING ROAD-Time Trials, Collinsville, IL, n/a
CYCLING TRACK, Forest Park Biking Center (Central Field Velodrome), 6000
DIVING, SLU-Olympic Aqua Center (St. Louis, MO), 15000
EQUESTRIAN, Fairmount Park Equestrian Stadium (Collinsville, IL), 18000
FENCING, America's Center Daniel Boone Hall (Hall 4), 6000
FIELD HOCKEY, Hunter Stadium, 10000 & LU Track Stadium, 8000
GOLF, Bellerive Country Club (Creve Coeur, MO), n/a
HANDBALL, Family Arena, 10000 & Scottrade Center (Finals), 19000
JUDO, America's Center Charles Lindbergh Hall (Hall 1-2), 8000
MARATHON
Start-Francis Field (Men & Women), 7000
Finish-Gateway Olympic Stadium (Men), 80,000; Francis Field (Women), 7000
MODERN PENTATHLON
Equestrian-Fairmount Park Equestrian Stadium, 18,000
Shooting-Jefferson Barracks Shooting Center, 9000
Swimming-Jefferson Barracks Recreation Center, 3000
Fencing-Jeferson Barracks Recreation Center, 3000
Cross Country-Jefferson Barracks Park, n/a
ROWING, Chain of Rocks Rowing Center (Granite City, IL), 20000
RUGBY SEVENS, Busch Stadium, 50000
RYTHMIC GYMNASTICS, Hearnes Center, 10000
SAILING, Carlyle Lake (Carlyle, IL), n/a
SHOOTING, Jefferson Barracks Shooting Center, 9000
SOCCER
Faurot Field (Columbia, MO), 70000
Arrowhead Stadium (Kansas City, MO), 75,000
Nashville Field (Nashville, TN), 68798
Indianapolis Stadium, (Indianapolis, IN), 63000
MEN'S & WOMEN'S FINALS, Gateway Olympic Stadium (St. Louis, MO), 80000
SWIMMING, SLU-Olympic Aqua Center (St. Louis, MO), 15000
SWIMMING (MARATHON), St. Louis Downtown Riverfront, 20000
TABLE TENNIS, America's Center Lewis & Clark Hall (Hall 5), 6000
TAEKWANDO, America's Center Daniel Boone Hall (Hall 4), 6000
TENNIS Dwight Davis Tennis Center (Forest Park)
Centre Court, 10000; Court 1, 5000; Court 2, 3500; Aux. Courts, 1000
TRAMPOLINE, Gateway Dome (North End), 30000
TRIATHLON, St. Louis Downtown Riverfront, 20000
VOLLEYBALL, Scottrade Center, 19000
WATER POLO, SLU-Olympic Aqua Center (St. Louis, MO), 5000
WEIGHTLIFTING, Kiel Opera House, 5400
WRESTLING, America's Center Charles Lindbergh Hall (Hall 1-2), 8000

INTERNATIONAL BROADCAST CENTER, East St. Louis Riverfront (site of Cargill plant)
MAIN PRESS CENTER, America's Center

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PostMar 05, 2013#18

^ Links dont work.

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PostMar 05, 2013#19

You missed one of the most exciting bits of speculation IMHO.

Where to put the Olympic village...? Im thinking either Chouteaus Landing or North of Lacledes Landing on the riverfront. After Olympics, village is converted to residential obviously.

Also of all the events the ones that REALLY showcase the host city is the cycling and the marathon. I that that event would have to pass through some of our most notable neighborhoods. And I think both should finish at the Arch. How long does the route have too be. Pere Marquete and Kahokia would be cool to include as well. Maybe start the cylcing at pere marquette instead of finishing there. Both routes need to be carefully designed to put our best face to the world.

Last if St. Louis invested that much money I hope they would use the opportunity to bury some of the railroad tracks downtown. Also N-S Metrolink would be a must, and as much as possible venues should be close to Metrolink stations.

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PostMar 05, 2013#20

STLEnginerd wrote: Where to put the Olympic village...? Im thinking either Chouteaus Landing or North of Lacledes Landing on the riverfront.
In Atlanta they became shiny new dorms for Georgia Tech, so maybe Midtown???

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PostMar 05, 2013#21

I don't really feel like building new dorms for SLU with tax payer dollars but if SLU is willing to foot a large chunk of the bill I could be persuaded. They do have plenty of available land :roll:

just haven't been in a giving mood toward SLU lately

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PostMar 06, 2013#22

Midtown could use a little bit of a push. There hasn't been as much development there as downtown or CWE, although I'm sure the streetcar will help change that. I think this would be a good location for an Olympic village. There are more than enough empty lots there (and especially north of Washington, holy cow), plus Chaifetz is there and it's really close to downtown, so it just works out well. Afterward, I think transforming it into mixed-use development could really spur even more additional development there. Some stores, restaurants, apartments, Olympic museum, etc. Maybe this is where our MLS soccer stadium could go.

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PostMar 06, 2013#23

Olympic Village in London was nearly 10 blocks of 10 story buildings and they won't be built as infill either. They will all be right next to each other in a cluster. Whatever is there will be gone. If St. Louis decided to use the opportunity to redevelop that large a swath of the city I think they would be crazy to do it North of Midtown. The demographics aren't going to change that quickly and if the Olympic Village turned into a modern day Pruit Iggoe it would be an incredible tragedy. I think they would HAVE to use the opportunity to anchor a region with the potential to turn around. S. Broadway, Koskisko, Darst, Columbus Square and North Riverfront could all use a push too. If the plan for the village to become SLU dorms then IMHO it'd have to be at Grand Blvd. and 40.

BTW: total cost of Bejing $42bn, London $19bn. I assume much would come from federal and state. According to wikipedia.

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ealfotd wrote:
STLEnginerd wrote: Where to put the Olympic village...? Im thinking either Chouteaus Landing or North of Lacledes Landing on the riverfront.
In Atlanta they became shiny new dorms for Georgia Tech, so maybe Midtown???
Perhaps Fr. Biondi has simply been making space for the Olympics! :)

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PostMar 06, 2013#25

All this is just theoretical, of course. But if we had a few billion to play with...

Then let's build the Olympic Village in East STL as part of a full reconstruction of that city.

East STL today doesn't complement the rest of STL Metro and is trapped under the enormous weights of endemic poverty, horrible infrastructure, dilapidated & unsaveable buildings, and shameful neglect. If we are to see hundreds of millions put into a new series of multi-story dorm buildings, then let's have them serve as the foundation of a new East STL, one that people would want to not just visit during the Olympics but after as well. Meanwhile, the athletes would surely love to see the Downtown STL skyline from the IL side; imagine people wanting to move into those same buildings after the Olympics is done. It could spark the turnaround East STL has been needing since the 1930s.

London did it in King's Cross. We can do it in East STL.

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