^I am definitely looking forward to that.
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Are renovations of the closed sections of C and D ongoing?
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Full court pressmatguy70 wrote: ↑May 02, 2024HOK weighs in on designing new airport here. They have done amazing things at LGA, IND and SLC... I say we go local and let then build our fabulous new terminal... because I believe it would be fabulous if they did it as well.
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In trying to find an answer for what the plans are for the T2 MetroLink station, I have found nothing concrete -- just that it needs to be repurposed, and that it could serve parking, a hotel, or maybe even a consolidated rental car facility.
I'm very eager to find out what the airport's plans are for T2. It feels like a huge opportunity to me to make the St. Louis airport experience a pretty seamless one.
I'd love to see that T2 MetroLink station, which the airport wants to keep, get an excellent use or three.
I'm very eager to find out what the airport's plans are for T2. It feels like a huge opportunity to me to make the St. Louis airport experience a pretty seamless one.
I'd love to see that T2 MetroLink station, which the airport wants to keep, get an excellent use or three.
^ I want to see a consolidated rental car facility included somewhere in the new airport and T2 would fit that purpose well, outside of a few changes. I have to think it would be less to repurpose rather than build from scratch but what do I know.
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I'd love to see a rental car facility at T2 as well. I'm sure you could also have general airport parking as well. It'd be so sweet to have that instead of so many airport shuttles.
I wonder if the N. Hanley MetroLink station could be used in any way by the airport as well.
I wonder if the N. Hanley MetroLink station could be used in any way by the airport as well.
I'd like to see the T1 Metrolink station enclosed from the elements and the escalators widened.
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^ I was going to actually write about that as well.
In some of the renderings, it appears that the T1 station is going to be enclosed.
In some of the renderings, it appears that the T1 station is going to be enclosed.
Has the lack (or at least inconvenience) of customs access for terminal 1 airlines been an obstacle for more international flights? Will we get more international flights once the new configuration opens?
I’ve wanted them to build a consolidated rental car center at the hanley station for years. But since that won’t happen…RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑May 14, 2024I'd love to see a rental car facility at T2 as well. I'm sure you could also have general airport parking as well. It'd be so sweet to have that instead of so many airport shuttles.
I wonder if the N. Hanley MetroLink station could be used in any way by the airport as well.
I’d tear down T2 and the T2 garage. Build a rental car center right next to and connected to the T2 station. Use the rest of the room to build a new garage for it.
I think lack of gates is the bigger issue than location. If the Lufthansa flight is here you can only fit in one other plane and you couldn’t have 2 widebodies at customs at the same time. Frontier has had planes wait a really long time for gates if Lufthansa is delayed._nomad_ wrote: ↑May 14, 2024Has the lack (or at least inconvenience) of customs access for terminal 1 airlines been an obstacle for more international flights? Will we get more international flights once the new configuration opens?
As foe T2 as the consolidated rental car center, I heard Rhonda on a program not too long ago (I think KTVI maybe) saying that T2 would not be a good fit for it... why? Not sure. She didn't explain. I see it as a perfect fit quite honestly. I think she said they would repurpose it for some type of flights (not commercial) or maintenence something or another most likely.
I will be really disappointed if they don’t use it for something more worthwhile than that.matguy70 wrote: ↑May 15, 2024As foe T2 as the consolidated rental car center, I heard Rhonda on a program not too long ago (I think KTVI maybe) saying that T2 would not be a good fit for it... why? Not sure. She didn't explain. I see it as a perfect fit quite honestly. I think she said they would repurpose it for some type of flights (not commercial) or maintenence something or another most likely.
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I’ve been to 8 airports over last couple months and rented cars at 6. The garage is the problem, not enough spaces and a relatively small footprint. You would have to tear it down and figure out how to rebuild it bigger and 6+ stories tall is my guess. Half the T2 building would be unused (air side). So tear town of both and modern build is best. Someone tried to explain this to me a year or so ago on this forum and I was adamant T2 could be repurposed. Now I’m convinced it can’t.
IF rental car companies shared the T2 building with charters then maybe that building could be repurposed.
If garage reconfiguration all that required you could dig out eastward toward Lot E and use a 2 garage configuration, one terminal garage footprint and one going to/including lot E footprint.
If garage reconfiguration all that required you could dig out eastward toward Lot E and use a 2 garage configuration, one terminal garage footprint and one going to/including lot E footprint.
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The airport is said to want to keep two MetroLink stations.
I do not know why they would want to keep that T2 station if not for something significant.
I do not know why they would want to keep that T2 station if not for something significant.
Looks like a new four story garage but with no mention of a unified car rental facility.TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote: ↑May 15, 2024I’ve been to 8 airports over last couple months and rented cars at 6. The garage is the problem, not enough spaces and a relatively small footprint. You would have to tear it down and figure out how to rebuild it bigger and 6+ stories tall is my guess. Half the T2 building would be unused (air side). So tear town of both and modern build is best. Someone tried to explain this to me a year or so ago on this forum and I was adamant T2 could be repurposed. Now I’m convinced it can’t.
I'll be sorely disappointed if the Lambert re-do strands rental cars at their current location or some lesser option than other similar airports.
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If a consolidated rental car facility can't happen at T2 for whatever reason, why not at the N. Hanley MetroLink station?
Couldn't the airport do something at that station if they wanted to?
Couldn't the airport do something at that station if they wanted to?
It's a miss if they don't. A consolidated rental car facility isn't a necessity but as a someone who travels more than I would like, it is a very nice perk. Especially if access is easy and convenient. Time savings and logical access is everything. Plus, if it helps me get in your terminal 15 minutes earlier, I'm more likely to expense one of your $12 local IPAs before boarding.dweebe wrote: ↑May 15, 2024Looks like a new four story garage but with no mention of a unified car rental facility.TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote: ↑May 15, 2024I’ve been to 8 airports over last couple months and rented cars at 6. The garage is the problem, not enough spaces and a relatively small footprint. You would have to tear it down and figure out how to rebuild it bigger and 6+ stories tall is my guess. Half the T2 building would be unused (air side). So tear town of both and modern build is best. Someone tried to explain this to me a year or so ago on this forum and I was adamant T2 could be repurposed. Now I’m convinced it can’t.
I'll be sorely disappointed if the Lambert re-do strands rental cars at their current location or some lesser option than other similar airports.
I can't honestly remember the last airport that I flew into that didn't have a CRCF. Granted, I don't fly all that frequently (6-8 times per year) and many of the airports I do fly into are small enough where the rental cars sit in parking lots directly outside the baggage claim.
Agree that it would be a substantial miss if they don't include one somewhere.
Someone asked this earlier but I didn't see a response, do we know when they will begin work on concourse C/D in order to move the airlines out of A?
Agree that it would be a substantial miss if they don't include one somewhere.
Someone asked this earlier but I didn't see a response, do we know when they will begin work on concourse C/D in order to move the airlines out of A?
The problem is 15-20 minute headways.RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑May 15, 2024If a consolidated rental car facility can't happen at T2 for whatever reason, why not at the N. Hanley MetroLink station?
Couldn't the airport do something at that station if they wanted to?
IIRC the consolidated car rental facility coming at LAX that's over by the 405 has an automated people mover with 2-3 minute headways.
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Yeah, Metrolink isn’t a great solution for people dropping a car off and trying to make a flight. You’d have to run a tram on top of D or something.
There are crossover tracks just west of the station. You could run some trains just for rental cars and they could cross back over there to go back to the airport.dweebe wrote: ↑May 15, 2024The problem is 15-20 minute headways.RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑May 15, 2024If a consolidated rental car facility can't happen at T2 for whatever reason, why not at the N. Hanley MetroLink station?
Couldn't the airport do something at that station if they wanted to?
IIRC the consolidated car rental facility coming at LAX that's over by the 405 has an automated people mover with 2-3 minute headways.
If it hasn’t already started I would expect it to be starting soon. I’ve heard they have had crews out at least doing pre-process stuff.pdm_ad wrote: ↑May 15, 2024I can't honestly remember the last airport that I flew into that didn't have a CRCF. Granted, I don't fly all that frequently (6-8 times per year) and many of the airports I do fly into are small enough where the rental cars sit in parking lots directly outside the baggage claim.
Agree that it would be a substantial miss if they don't include one somewhere.
Someone asked this earlier but I didn't see a response, do we know when they will begin work on concourse C/D in order to move the airlines out of A?
I actually looked into this recently. How much would it cost for the Airport to contract Bi-State for vehicle operations between Terminal 1 and North Hanley? Thinking a unique vehicle wrap, 4 minute headways, 24 hours per day. According to the Federal Transit Administration, MetroLink had a cost of $375 per vehicle (train) operating hour in 2022. To provide the frequency you would need between three and four trains. $375 x 3 vehicles x 24 hours x 365 days = $9,855,000 annually, $13,140,000 for four trains. Let's just say $10 million annually.jshank83 wrote: ↑May 15, 2024There are crossover tracks just west of the station. You could run some trains just for rental cars and they could cross back over there to go back to the airport.dweebe wrote: ↑May 15, 2024The problem is 15-20 minute headways.RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑May 15, 2024If a consolidated rental car facility can't happen at T2 for whatever reason, why not at the N. Hanley MetroLink station?
Couldn't the airport do something at that station if they wanted to?
IIRC the consolidated car rental facility coming at LAX that's over by the 405 has an automated people mover with 2-3 minute headways.
It would be interesting to know how much the airport and the rental car companies are currently paying for shuttle operations. How much of the $10 million is already being spent, does the land consolidation result in any meaningful returns, value of improved ground traffic, etc.