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PostFeb 14, 2020#5901

^^ I could swear I  remember flying AirTran out of B in the late 2000's, like around 2007 or 2008.

EDIT* - found an AirTran thread on UrbanSTL from 2007 and they were operating out of at least B10 and B12

airtran-airways-lambert-field-t4456.html

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PostFeb 14, 2020#5902

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Speaking of the far end of C, I'm curious to know what they have done with those two HVAC columns. Purple/Blue carpeted cylinders in the middle of a large open space isn't exactly in style nowadays...
Someone posted on Twitter that they were staying. Unfortunately they also posted photos so the tweet disappeared before too long. 

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PostFeb 14, 2020#5903

^It amazes me how often the YouTube tour of C and D that stirred up the controversy a couple of years ago seems to come and go. Can't imagine there's any way to remove them short of completely gutting and rebuilding that end of the concourse. But I'm okay with them, so . . . 

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PostFeb 14, 2020#5904

pdm_ad wrote:
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^^ I could swear I  remember flying AirTran out of B in the late 2000's, like around 2007 or 2008.

EDIT* - found an AirTran thread on UrbanSTL from 2007 and they were operating out of at least B10 and B12

airtran-airways-lambert-field-t4456.html
I'm pretty sure AirTran moved to B after the tornado took C out of commission in 2011.  I'm fairly certain they operated out of C before the tornado and moved to E after they were purchased by Southwest.

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PostFeb 14, 2020#5905

symphonicpoet wrote:
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^It amazes me how often the YouTube tour of C and D that stirred up the controversy a couple of years ago seems to come and go.
Did the pictures get removed by the airport? Do pictures or videos of those areas have security risks? I mean they were public to millions not too long ago. 

It would just be nice to see photos of how they have transformed the place over the years. The renovations have been nice.

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PostFeb 14, 2020#5906

Perseus767 wrote:
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Did the pictures get removed by the airport? Do pictures or videos of those areas have security risks? I mean they were public to millions not too long ago. 
It seems that any area not currently open to the public seems to be kept in the dark by STL. It seems like STL seems to be way stricter about it than other airports but I could be wrong. 

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PostFeb 15, 2020#5907

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pdm_ad wrote:
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^^ I could swear I  remember flying AirTran out of B in the late 2000's, like around 2007 or 2008.

EDIT* - found an AirTran thread on UrbanSTL from 2007 and they were operating out of at least B10 and B12

airtran-airways-lambert-field-t4456.html
I'm pretty sure AirTran moved to B after the tornado took C out of commission in 2011.  I'm fairly certain they operated out of C before the tornado and moved to E after they were purchased by Southwest.
The link in my edit contains a trip report from a poster who flew AirTran in 2008 and they were using B gates at that time. I've only flown them three times, 2007, 2008 and 2009 and all three flights used B as well. I think they migrated over to E after the WN acquisition. 

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PostFeb 15, 2020#5908

^Ah, I see what you're talking about. I must have quit looking after the jetways disappeared and not noticed they put a pair back in later at B-10 and 12. They show up in the 08-12 aerials but are gone again by 2014, which I guess is when AirTran ceased operations. Interestingly, the 2012 aerial, which still shows the B bridges, also shows AirTran parked at E-4. Anyway . . . should have skipped forward more.

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PostFeb 15, 2020#5909

Not sure if this was already mentioned but I am pretty sure Frontier ran out of B for at least a little while also.

I flew USA3000 also. I can’t remember what concourse they were in though.

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PostFeb 17, 2020#5910

^Curiouser and curiouser. Were they running out of B before the de-hub? Or was the C rennovation going on at the time? 

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PostFeb 17, 2020#5911




A few photos of Frontier in B. Don't know why they were in B, but here is proof.

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PostFeb 17, 2020#5912

symphonicpoet wrote:
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^Curiouser and curiouser. Were they running out of B before the de-hub? Or was the C rennovation going on at the time? 
I really have no clue. I don’t think I was flying them (frontier) I was meeting family at the gate so that would have to be pre-9/11? Not sure when they quit letting people go to the gate. I could be way off on dates though.

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PostFeb 17, 2020#5913

jshank83 wrote:
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Not sure if this was already mentioned but I am pretty sure Frontier ran out of B for at least a little while also.

I flew USA3000 also. I can’t remember what concourse they were in though.
I remember picking up my father-in-law ~2008 when he flew USA3000 at the then East Terminal.

I also remember flying AirTran and arriving into B around 2011.

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PostFeb 17, 2020#5914

Cueballs's pictures seem to be 2014, so that'd seem to be during the C renovation. I think. (Not that I can recall precisely, as I've mostly been flying out of A since about 2013 or so. But I recall a lot of construction still going on in 2014.)

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PostFeb 18, 2020#5915

symphonicpoet wrote:
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Cueballs's pictures seem to be 2014, so that'd seem to be during the C renovation. I think. (Not that I can recall precisely, as I've mostly been flying out of A since about 2013 or so. But I recall a lot of construction still going on in 2014.)
That picture is from 2012 (you can see the date if you zoon in at the bottom of the monitors).  AA was still operating out of D when the photo was taken and they moved back to C sometime in 2012 or early 2013.

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PostFeb 18, 2020#5916

^Sorry. I can't read. Looked at the date. Swore it said 2014. Yes, AA was in D at the time. I last flew AA at just about that time exactly. Ignore me.

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PostFeb 21, 2020#5917

sc4mayor wrote:
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St. Louis to try again for European flight
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... s_headline
Lambert airport officials are working with business groups to try to lure a direct flight to Europe.  A St. Louis Lambert International Airport spokesman, Jeff Lea, said Wednesday that Airport Director Rhonda Hamm-Niebruegge told airport commissioners she's "working with organizations in the region to potentially develop a new plan to help land an international, trans-Atlantic flight."  "However," Lea said, "we won't be able to share details of those discussions or organizations at this time."  People familiar with the matter said Civic Progress, comprised of area CEOs, and AllianceSTL, the business recruitment arm of the St. Louis Regional Chamber, would be among those assisting, and that the process is in its early stages.

St. Louis lost European flights after American Airlines discontinued a London route in 2003. Lambert had nonstops to Iceland, an island usually considered to be part of Europe, from May 2018 to January 2019, when WOW Air ended the service. The airline later shut down.  The St. Louis County Port Authority in July cut a program that would have given up to $5 million to an airline willing to start a direct flight to Europe. The port authority's chair, Denny Coleman, said then that the program was ended because the business community had not also agreed to prebook tickets on a route, seen as critical to landing the service.

Last month, anna.aero, a British website specializing in airline routes, published an analysis saying St. Louis and Cincinnati were among the most likely U.S. airports to add British Airways service in the future.  "Both have strong fare per miles as a result of their higher business travel (reflected in higher average fare), above-average passengers to London, and good traffic to Europe," the piece said. "And both have strong metro GDPs: $161 billion for St. Louis, the nation’s twenty-second largest, and $138 billion for Cincinnati, the twenty-ninth. Cincinnati is also 115 miles from Columbus, another city with good demand to London and wider Europe."  Several metropolitan areas that are smaller than St. Louis have direct European flights, including New Orleans, Nashville and Cincinnati, which already boasts a flight to Paris on Delta Air Lines.
Some more details have come out on this.  The County Port Authority has decided to recommit $2.1 million to a fund to lure international service back to Lambert.
Airport Director Rhonda Hamm-Niebruegge told the agency’s board Thursday that she is working with “the business community” and other local governments to build a fund to help lure an international airline to St. Louis.

A British Airways flight to London or a Lufthansa flight to Frankfurt, Germany, are the most likely connections, she said. Lambert doesn’t have any interest in using the package for a non-major discount carrier, Hamm-Niebruegge said, such as now-defunct Wow Airlines that briefly operated here.

She declined to say what other private and public entities Lambert officials were seeking commitments from. Lambert hopes to have a package ready to present to airlines by the beginning of April to be able to present to the large European airlines, which typically announce the addition of midsize market routes in the late summer...Lambert would require an airline to commit to two years of service before offering the incentive package, she said. The hope is the subsidy would let the route become established enough to stand on its own in a smaller market...About 300 people a day on average fly to Europe from St. Louis, with the largest proportion going to London, Hamm-Niebruegge said. St. Louis also tends to have more business travelers, which are airlines’ “bread and butter.”
With the business community's seemingly renewed interest in the airport this might actually have some legs.
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PostFeb 21, 2020#5918

"A British Airways flight to London or a Lufthansa flight to Frankfurt, Germany, are the most likely connections"

Thank God.  I was hoping they weren't going to go on another Wowzer goose chase. Getting a stable, reliable legacy airline will help grow STL.

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PostFeb 21, 2020#5919

I think they actually get it done this time. Seems like there finally is momentum from the business community. British Airways still probably makes the most sense. I know they weren't all that interested anymore but with enough money I am sure they would get back involved. Lufthansa would be an interesting add. They aren't really the type to be first into a market. They also don't have the equipment I think would start here.

Either would be a great add though. 

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PostFeb 21, 2020#5920

^I'm actually really curious to see if Heathrow, and by extension British Airways, will retain their status as the major European hub. As new regulations go into place I really wonder if Brexit won't help Paris, Frankfurt, or Amsterdam overtake London. Sure, the US probably does more business with the UK than any other European country, but surely not more than ALL other European countries combined. And once the UK is out of the Schengen area . . . that'll pretty much be the math, right? My money is on Paris becoming the big hub. LHR has apparently already slipped to just the seventh busiest airport by passenger volume. Did not realize that. (They are still number one in Europe, but not by a particularly wide margin.)

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PostFeb 21, 2020#5921

Really encouraged to hear that Airport officials won't repeat the same mistake on TA incentives. Thanks for posting SC.

If it's BA would they likely use an a321?

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PostFeb 21, 2020#5922

pdm_ad wrote:
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Really encouraged to hear that Airport officials won't repeat the same mistake on TA incentives. Thanks for posting SC.

If it's BA would they likely use an a321?
787. The only A321 that would make it is the A321XLR and they don’t have any ordered.

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PostFeb 21, 2020#5923

I really am rooting for LH, but I fear that only BA will have the available equipment to do it.

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PostFeb 21, 2020#5924

^I wonder why Air France-KLM never makes the discussion. I can understand why BA gets the most attention, since they're a Star Alliance member, and thus in American's orbit. But I'm not sure I see what Lufthansa gets you that KLM or Air France wouldn't. I can't immagine Lufthansa would open a route from here to Munich just to serve Bayer or they already would have done so. It'd be to Frankfurt, which means your average business traveler would be making a connection there. Amsterdam and Paris would get you the same one stop to the rest of Europe. But anyway . . . I hope it works out, whoever they manage to entice.

PostFeb 21, 2020#5925

Edit to above: I suppose BA and LH both have a little more slack in their fleets. That might be a good reason.

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