urbanSTL

Yeah. You're probably right. My job has made me paranoid about copyright stuff.

Here it is:
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1uE3 ... sp=sharing

Has to be a google drawing because an image does not have a large enough resolution. You can zoom in and out, move around, etc... There are a few small errors, mostly because of how the images joined together, but they are very small. I tried to cover up most of them though.

Perseus767 wrote: ↑

Feb 06, 2019

Yeah. You're probably right. My job has made me paranoid about copyright stuff.

Here it is:
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1uE3 ... sp=sharing

Has to be a google drawing because an image does not have a large enough resolution. You can zoom in and out, move around, etc... There are a few small errors, mostly because of how the images joined together, but they are very small. I tried to cover up most of them though.

Great Job! Thanks for making this.

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They hide a lot of things that I think would be smart to get out. You would think they would try to get as much info out in the open as possible for people to increase interest. For some reason isn't the case. I don't really understand their rational.
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That's what I was alluding to in my post about their lack of updates on the airport's "Non Stop Service" page. I did notice, however, there were major updates to the page after you and I conversed here. Did you email them again? Kidding.

REK is completely removed now as a destination. Los Cabos is now showing with Volaris, and they've added the new Sun Country destinations. They're also showing Punta with F9 and WN. They've also added Montego Bay with WN. It's nice seeing a bigger mixture of airlines, rather than just WN on every line. They still need to add Huatulco with Volaris.

They had their monthly board mtg today, so the minutes for the Jan. mtg. should be posted soon. Feb. mtg agenda mentioned Contour. I suspect something will be announced about this any day now...if they remember to do it.

frequentflyer wrote: ↑

Feb 07, 2019

That's what I was alluding to in my post about their lack of updates on the airport's "Non Stop Service" page. I did notice, however, there were major updates to the page after you and I conversed here. Did you email them again? Kidding.

REK is completely removed now as a destination. Los Cabos is now showing with Volaris, and they've added the new Sun Country destinations. They're also showing Punta with F9 and WN. They've also added Montego Bay with WN. It's nice seeing a bigger mixture of airlines, rather than just WN on every line. They still need to add Huatulco with Volaris.

They had their monthly board mtg today, so the minutes for the Jan. mtg. should be posted soon. Feb. mtg agenda mentioned Contour. I suspect something will be announced about this any day now...if they remember to do it.

Although you were kidding... Since they don't give my any info I doubt I email them anymore. I am still salty about the press conference stuff and promise of answering questions, then answering none.

They still have Swift (and not Volaris on their Airlines page). Maybe they will update it when Contour starts.

I did @ their twitter about Contour. We will see if I get a reply. Since they got approved today maybe now they will let us know what gate they are using.

Although you were kidding... Since they don't give my any info I doubt I email them anymore. I am still salty about the press conference stuff and promise of answering questions, then answering none.

They still have Swift (and not Volaris on their Airlines page). Maybe they will update it when Contour starts.

I did @ their twitter about Contour. We will see if I get a reply. Since they got approved today maybe now they will let us know what gate they are using.

Yes, that's what I was thinking too...they'll remove Swiss Air and add Volaris when they add Contour, thus being +1 on total number of airlines. I'm still betting on C28 for Contour, esp. if they add Indy as a destination. As I said earlier, that leg of the concourse will have a steady, even if it's not overwhelming, flow of people.

I'm wondering what they're now going to do with the AA overages.

Trololzilla wrote: ↑

Feb 07, 2019

Wonder if any of the tightening up of info has anything to do with the privatization effort?

Yes, I was thinking this too after I posted last night. Maybe there's a gag order from City Hall. I would think in this to be counter productive, however, because it would seem to me they would drive up interest by showing all of the positive things going on at STL.

More likely, they're just lacking in their PR dept.

On another note, in case you didn't know, all of your gate info can still be found on Wiki, in the archives. Here's the link:https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =878647151

jshank83 wrote: ↑

Feb 07, 2019

The Mayor wrote: ↑

Feb 06, 2019

Would be nice to have the airport posting updates to these diagrams. I'd like to see it with all the new Southwest gates open. Has anyone asked why the airport seems intent on hiding what are rather innocuous documents and diagrams?

They hide a lot of things that I think would be smart to get out. You would think they would try to get as much info out in the open as possible for people to increase interest. For some reason isn't the case. I don't really understand their rational.

They fixed a security leak - some (myself included) were accessing these files by using 'directory browsing' - pointing our browsers to https://www.flystl.com/uploads, which showed a directory tree containing all of the uploaded documents on their site. That's bad, and it's good that they fixed it. But now that they have fixed it, they should make this stuff publicly available on a served web page on flystl.com so the public doesn't have to exploit security vulnerabilities to find them.

That said, if you know what specific document (or specific type of document) you're looking for, you can still get to the documents via a Google search. Example

EDIT: Okay, a lot of the stuff is here on the new site: https://www.flystl.com/about-us/public- ... nd-reports

-RBB

Contour is going to be using gate C27. Sun Country is switching to C28. I would guess because C28 is set up for bigger planes (mainline/widebody) so they probably don't want to change it to handle and RJ when C27 already can.

Also, I watched the airport commission meeting from yesterday and have a few notes.

Rhonda said the top domestic markets they are looking to get back are: Louisville, Indy, Richmond, Norfolk.
International: Paris, London, Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Dublin

Someone is going over to talk to airlines next week. 1 for sure and maybe 2 have wanted them to confirm their incentives to them.

I really am getting the vibe that Dublin will be next.

Also said the RFQ for privatization will probably come out March/April.

rbb wrote:
They fixed a security leak - some (myself included) were accessing these files by using 'directory browsing' - pointing our browsers to https://www.flystl.com/uploads, which showed a directory tree containing all of the uploaded documents on their site. That's bad, and it's good that they fixed it. But now that they have fixed it, they should make this stuff publicly available on a served web page on flystl.com so the public doesn't have to exploit security vulnerabilities to find them.

EDIT: Okay, a lot of the stuff is here on the new site: https://www.flystl.com/about-us/public- ... nd-reports

-RBB

They "fixed" the issue the same day as their "press conference" last week. It still ticks me off. Like you found out, everything you could access thru the /uploads was already on the site before at the link you put (as well as a few other places). It just made it a lot easier to see what was new before. Now I have to go to each different page. So I really didn't get the point of changing it. I guess now they can upload something a little early without me or someone else finding it before they announce, but that is it. Nothing on the actual site has changed.

I've been looking at the roofs of the terminals lately and I have been wondering a few things:
Did concourse A/C ever have a skylight? There appear to be triangles that have been covered up near the bends.
And...
Why did they replace the old brown roofs with black roofs? Why hasn't concourse D been refitted with this new roof? (I'm not sure what material they are, but my guess the black roofs are better at insulating or something)

Finally got around to fully updating my Load Factor Spreadsheet for October (July for Intl). Probably good since the next month comes out tomorrow.

Here are the numbers. The only thing not updated is ORD (I'll get to it later).

Urban Chestnut is coming to STL (T2).

Here's the locked article from the Business Journal.
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... s_headline

Here's a second article from the P-D.
https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... a35cc.html

I'll venture to guess this is what's going into the space vacated by the chapel.

Actually, it looks like it will be much smaller and way at the other end of things:

"Urban Chestnut will partner with OHM Concession Group, which holds the lease on the 8-by-8-foot kiosk space, adjacent to a Great American Bagel location in Terminal 2, that will sell the brewery's product. Previously, the space held a grab-and-go kiosk where customers could buy water and snacks."

The new map doesn't clearly show all the dining, but American Bagel is apparently down by E8. So I guess that's not what's going in the former chapel.

symphonicpoet wrote: ↑

Feb 14, 2019

Actually, it looks like it will be much smaller and way at the other end of things:

"Urban Chestnut will partner with OHM Concession Group, which holds the lease on the 8-by-8-foot kiosk space, adjacent to a Great American Bagel location in Terminal 2, that will sell the brewery's product. Previously, the space held a grab-and-go kiosk where customers could buy water and snacks."

The new map doesn't clearly show all the dining, but American Bagel is apparently down by E8. So I guess that's not what's going in the former chapel.

Thanks for the info. Did you find that in the locked article? I don't have a subscription, so I can't open it.

It will be interesting to see what goes in the other space. In any event, I'm glad to see more development coming to STL. I hope they get some retail/food establishments in the new leg of Concourse C.

symphonicpoet wrote: ↑

Feb 14, 2019

Actually, it looks like it will be much smaller and way at the other end of things:

"Urban Chestnut will partner with OHM Concession Group, which holds the lease on the 8-by-8-foot kiosk space, adjacent to a Great American Bagel location in Terminal 2, that will sell the brewery's product. Previously, the space held a grab-and-go kiosk where customers could buy water and snacks."

The new map doesn't clearly show all the dining, but American Bagel is apparently down by E8. So I guess that's not what's going in the former chapel.

I would assume you are correct. There used to be a small kiosk attached to Great America Bagel, and it closed a few months ago. (Maybe right around the end of the year)

Unlocked Biz Journal article.

https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... yptr=yahoo

And yes it is by E8. Something else yet to be named is going in by the chapel. It is a small space though, so I still am not sure what to expect. It better not be another dunkin donuts.

frequentflyer wrote: ↑

Feb 14, 2019

symphonicpoet wrote: ↑

Feb 14, 2019

Actually, it looks like it will be much smaller and way at the other end of things:

"Urban Chestnut will partner with OHM Concession Group, which holds the lease on the 8-by-8-foot kiosk space, adjacent to a Great American Bagel location in Terminal 2, that will sell the brewery's product. Previously, the space held a grab-and-go kiosk where customers could buy water and snacks."

The new map doesn't clearly show all the dining, but American Bagel is apparently down by E8. So I guess that's not what's going in the former chapel.

Thanks for the info. Did you find that in the locked article? I don't have a subscription, so I can't open it.

It will be interesting to see what goes in the other space. In any event, I'm glad to see more development coming to STL. I hope they get some retail/food establishments in the new leg of Concourse C.

Yes, it was in the Biz Journal article. Quote is from that. Should have said. Sorry. If you open the article and press stop after the text loads, but before the pictures you can get the entire text content of the article. The blocker must load with the images. As others have pointed out, there are also services to that end.

I expect more will come to C as they'll be reopening some substantial spaces. There's more beyond the wall than just hold areas and gates. (And I honestly expect that's probably where the proposed new customs area will go, if only for reasons of cost.)

It's always slower than you want, but interesting things do seem to be afoot.

jshank83 wrote: ↑

Feb 15, 2019

Unlocked Biz Journal article.

https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... yptr=yahoo

And yes it is by E8. Something else yet to be named is going in by the chapel. It is a small space though, so I still am not sure what to expect. It better not be another dunkin donuts.

Thanks for the article.

The former chapel space is quite small, so whatever goes in there can't be anything full service. If it's not a DD, it most likely will be an Auntie Anne's, or something similar. I'm not expecting much. I do hope they put together something significant for the new chapel, as this would add to the overall ambiance to the terminal.

Have you seen STL's flight status page recently? Both Contour and Sun Country are assigned to C27. When there are arrivals from both airlines, the gate goes to Sun Country and Contour has to wait. I guess they must still have a lot of overflows to C28?

frequentflyer wrote: ↑

Feb 17, 2019

Have you seen STL's flight status page recently? Both Contour and Sun Country are assigned to C27. When there are arrivals from both airlines, the gate goes to Sun Country and Contour has to wait. I guess they must still have a lot of overflows to C28?

Airport Twitter said Sun Country is moving to C28. As usual they didn't update the page.


Also, August 27th Alaska is upgrading from a E175 to 737-900 on its San Diego route.

According to the weekly OAG report Air Canada is adding a 4th daily flight to Toronto starting in June. It isn't bookable (but other routes we know they changed aren't yet either) so we will see if it is real or a misfile.

jshank83 wrote: ↑

Feb 17, 2019

frequentflyer wrote: ↑

Feb 17, 2019

Have you seen STL's flight status page recently? Both Contour and Sun Country are assigned to C27. When there are arrivals from both airlines, the gate goes to Sun Country and Contour has to wait. I guess they must still have a lot of overflows to C28?

Airport Twitter said Sun Country is moving to C28. As usual they didn't update the page.


Also, August 27th Alaska is upgrading from a E175 to 737-900 on its San Diego route.

According to the weekly OAG report Air Canada is adding a 4th daily flight to Toronto starting in June. It isn't bookable (but other routes we know they changed aren't yet either) so we will see if it is real or a misfile.

Yes, I see both airlines are showing C27. Today's Sun Country flights are assigned to C27. Contour is also at C27 when there's no Sun Country flight. At the 6:30-6:50 block, however, there's a Sun Country departure to Ft. Myers at C27 and a Contour departure to Ft. Leonard Wood with no assigned gate. Maybe they're waiting for the Contour passenger load to build before they switch Sun Country? Or, they're waiting to for C29-30 to open and they'll move all of AA's overages to one of those gates?

Good news on Alaska and Air Canada!