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gregl wrote: ↑

Jun 13, 2017

Chalupas54 wrote: ↑

Jun 12, 2017

gregl wrote:Something might be up with Frontier and their service to STL. In an OAG (airline schedule) filing, they are dropping STL-DEN from 2x daily to 1x daily in mid-August and then dropping service altogether in November.

All service out of STL?

All service to DEN, which is their main hub. I have a hard time imagining they are going to keep services to other cities when they aren't serving their base.

It's possible it's a misfiling which will be corrected next week... we'll see.

It also has Frontier cutting all service from Denver to Cincy, Chicago, Philly, Phoenix in November. Which is why I think its a misfile. Their current schedule goes through November 1. The route still exists on November 1. So I am thinking it will still be there when they do a schedule extension. That said, I don't know why they haven't done one yet. They have less than 5 months you can book right now. I would think it would be out soon.

gregl wrote:

Chalupas54 wrote: ↑

Jun 12, 2017

gregl wrote:Something might be up with Frontier and their service to STL. In an OAG (airline schedule) filing, they are dropping STL-DEN from 2x daily to 1x daily in mid-August and then dropping service altogether in November.

All service out of STL?

All service to DEN, which is their main hub. I have a hard time imagining they are going to keep services to other cities when they aren't serving their base.

It's possible it's a misfiling which will be corrected next week... we'll see.

I would believe as such. I know that the Cancun flights are *always* filled to capacity.


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rbb wrote: ↑

Jun 13, 2017

http://www.flystl.com/uploads/documents ... inutes.pdf

*snip . . . Ameren . . . solar farm . . . vacant since 1969 . . . /snip*

^ Very interesting, and an excellent use of the property.

-RBB

Nice catch! I'm curious which parcel this is. Sounds like a pretty sweet lease on five and a half acres of Grade A Prime . . . but if it's been sitting empty for fifty years then maybe it's not so prime. And solar panels don't much mind jet noise. So yeah, that probably is a good use. Ought to be good for both entities. Very long term, and the airport is locked in, but I'm guessing the risks are small. And I expect the airport can figure out the glare risks and so forth.

Im haven't seen the midamerica diversion before. Maybe too low on fuel for KC or Somewhere else?

Here is one for you. Flight from STL to MDW. Got up to MDW and was diverted back to STL.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA1 ... /KSTL/KSTL

Looks like there were a bunch of them diverted to STL that were bound for Chicago this evening. I saw a couple from SAN, one from ABQ, and an Aeromexico flight. I was hoping for a couple on bigger planes but didn't see any.

I am curious is how the setup will be at landing for passengers to go through customs. Since E 33 only handles up to 787 sized aircraft. I'm guessing it would take up both E 31 and E 33 to fit. Hopefully no Southwest diversions today unlike yesterday or there could be some gate issues if the charter is taking up two gates and the new gates aren't open yet.

Guessing freeing up the international gates plus diversions is big reasons to get those new gates. Also to allow for a few more flights at the peak times to maximize connections.

jshank83 wrote: ↑

Jun 15, 2017

This might be the State Farm group coming back from Stockholm. But there is a 777 on the way. Lands around 7:15 tonight

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/REU5 ... /ESSA/KSTL

Shoot! Missed it by a couple days. Flying out Saturday morning on the DAL 757.

imperialmog wrote: ↑

Jun 15, 2017

I am curious is how the setup will be at landing for passengers to go through customs. Since E 33 only handles up to 787 sized aircraft. I'm guessing it would take up both E 31 and E 33 to fit. Hopefully no Southwest diversions today unlike yesterday or there could be some gate issues if the charter is taking up two gates and the new gates aren't open yet.

Guessing freeing up the international gates plus diversions is big reasons to get those new gates. Also to allow for a few more flights at the peak times to maximize connections.

I wonder if they will just bus them over?

E29 has a scheduled arrival at 7:35 (although it is delayed) (departs 9:30)
E31 has one at 6:45 (departs 7:40) (next arrival 9:10)
E33 has one at 6:50 (departs 7:45) (next arrival at 8:30)

Maybe they could fit it in but if anything doesn't go as planned I'm not sure the timing works.

mill204 wrote: ↑

Jun 14, 2017

Due to today's storms, I saw a that a flight aborted a landing and then diverted to Mid-America, then made a quick trip back to Lambert a short while later. Anybody have any idea how often diversions to Mid-America occur?

Back in the TWA days, there was at least one flight which diverted to St. Louis Downtown / Cahokia.

Looks like Quincy is back up for bid on their service. Not that they add a bunch of passengers to the airport but I thought it was at least of note. They have 5 different airlines looking to provide service. Some of them have more than one proposal. I have a feeling they are going to split St. Louis and Chicago service this time around. Four of the five are mostly offering all St. Louis or a split. Skywest is the only one offering no St. Louis options. It is also the only one offering jet service. I doubt Quincy really needs CRJ-200, 50 seater flights, so I would guess they would pick one of the other four.

It also mentions for Cape Air: "The airline also operates a downtown Quincy ticket office and is seeking American Airlines branding in St. Louis."

All the numbers are in the article.

http://www.whig.com/20170616/five-airli ... al-airport#

gregl wrote: ↑

Jun 13, 2017

Chalupas54 wrote: ↑

Jun 12, 2017

gregl wrote:Something might be up with Frontier and their service to STL. In an OAG (airline schedule) filing, they are dropping STL-DEN from 2x daily to 1x daily in mid-August and then dropping service altogether in November.

All service out of STL?

All service to DEN, which is their main hub. I have a hard time imagining they are going to keep services to other cities when they aren't serving their base.

It's possible it's a misfiling which will be corrected next week... we'll see.

Frontier did not re-add the STL-DEN flights back this week... so if it was a misfiling, they don't seem in any hurry to correct it.

gregl wrote:

gregl wrote: ↑

Jun 13, 2017

Chalupas54 wrote: ↑

Jun 12, 2017

All service out of STL?

All service to DEN, which is their main hub. I have a hard time imagining they are going to keep services to other cities when they aren't serving their base.

It's possible it's a misfiling which will be corrected next week... we'll see.

Frontier did not re-add the STL-DEN flights back this week... so if it was a misfiling, they don't seem in any hurry to correct it.

On their mobile app, all flight bookings end November 1st for all destinations, from all origins. Is there any indications the airline could be going under?


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gregl wrote: ↑

Jun 18, 2017

gregl wrote: ↑

Jun 13, 2017

Chalupas54 wrote: ↑

Jun 12, 2017

All service out of STL?

All service to DEN, which is their main hub. I have a hard time imagining they are going to keep services to other cities when they aren't serving their base.

It's possible it's a misfiling which will be corrected next week... we'll see.

Frontier did not re-add the STL-DEN flights back this week... so if it was a misfiling, they don't seem in any hurry to correct it.

By misfile, I just think they don't have the schedule that far out yet. Because they only have 1 day scheduled for the whole month, I think it has it has the numbers screwed up. I could be wrong but until they extend their schedule that is what I think is happening.

Looks like a few more are showing up during the day. Only using E38 interestingly enough. On publicizing it, they may wait to do so until Thursday with the next schedule extension if there is anything new that pops up.

Also the earlier note on San Diego flights, could be they are also using it as a replacment for losing the Orange County slot. Also would explain why Alaska is jumping in on it at the end of the year.

imperialmog wrote: ↑

Jun 19, 2017

Looks like a few more are showing up during the day. Only using E38 interestingly enough. On publicizing it, they may wait to do so until Thursday with the next schedule extension if there is anything new that pops up.

Also the earlier note on San Diego flights, could be they are also using it as a replacment for losing the Orange County slot. Also would explain why Alaska is jumping in on it at the end of the year.

There are some E34 showing up now also. It looks like the E29s are gone now, which I think we all expected. Good point about Thursday, you could be right about that.

Jun 19 5:30 am Houston-HOU Southwest #2061 E38 On Time
Jun 19 9:30 am New Orleans Southwest #5701 E38 On Time
Jun 19 10:40 am Reno Southwest #3423 E38 On Time
Jun 19 8:20 am Ft Lauderdale Southwest #1444 E34 On Time
Jun 19 9:45 am Jacksonville Southwest #3541 E34 On Time

A pet peeve is them listing a destination that is further down the line than where the plane is going nonstop from STL. Ie Jacksonville and Reno in this case.

On the SD thing, I was just surprised there is an extra flight on Saturday. It seems like usually they have less flights on Saturdays except to Florida and the Caribbean. Maybe SD counts as a "vacation spot" though?

I have a flight out on Wednesday so I will try to post some picks of the new area if no one else does before then.

jshank83 wrote: ↑

Jun 19, 2017

I see the airport facebook/twitter put a couple pics up yesterday. It looks like the Stella bar that was by E29/31/33 got moved down to the new gates. It looks like it is walled off just passed the bathrooms that are just passed E40.

I noticed last weekend that the Stella Bar was gone. I looked but could not find where it was relocated.

I was just taking a little look at the tables provided here.

https://www.transportation.gov/policy/a ... are-report

Since the tables have in some of the numbers the local demand between two metro pairs. (so connections on either end are stripped out) It was interesting is trying to see what the busiest unserved markets from here is as a possible guess as to what Southwest might add in the near future since them adding these gates there will most certainly be some expansion. Interesting surprise is that it appears its Sacramento is the busiest unserved market with Jacksonville and Hartford with similar numbers. Also looking at the numbers and schedule it definitely shows a hub structure present here with some routes being heavily with connecting feed through here (and in a case like St. Louis to Nashville connecting feed on either end) Of course they could add some wildcards that nobody saw coming.

imperialmog wrote:I was just taking a little look at the tables provided here.

https://www.transportation.gov/policy/a ... are-report

Since the tables have in some of the numbers the local demand between two metro pairs. (so connections on either end are stripped out) It was interesting is trying to see what the busiest unserved markets from here is as a possible guess as to what Southwest might add in the near future since them adding these gates there will most certainly be some expansion. Interesting surprise is that it appears its Sacramento is the busiest unserved market with Jacksonville and Hartford with similar numbers. Also looking at the numbers and schedule it definitely shows a hub structure present here with some routes being heavily with connecting feed through here (and in a case like St. Louis to Nashville connecting feed on either end) Of course they could add some wildcards that nobody saw coming.

I have reason to believe we could see a large SW expansion out of STL on the 22nd.

My picks: Indianapolis, Sacramento, and Charlotte. Maybe even Jacksonville.

I also believe we will hear about a Europe route by the end of the summer.


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