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PostMay 07, 2015#1951

Air Cargo story form Post Dispatch. Sounds pretty legit especially if they plan to invest $77 million in first phase and have it up and running within 18 months. Would like to hear from Gone Corporate on this one.

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... d07eb.html

The project will be constructed in three phases and could mean cargo coming into the airport in as soon as 18 months, said Ricardo Nicolopulos, president of Bi-National.

His company is building the terminal and investing $77 million in the first phase, which includes constructing a new international air-cargo building. The initial development is expected to cover more than 32 acres
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PostMay 07, 2015#1952

matguy70 wrote:I would like to just add my 2 cents...
a few months ago I had also posted that I saw a tweet from someone at Lambert that AA would be expanding in the market again soon. So... for what it is worth, we will wait and see.
Dreamlinerdreamlinerdreamlinerdreamliner... :fingerscrossed:
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PostMay 07, 2015#1953

I'm curious if anyone has heard anything in regards to the long range bomber procurement? I have read as of lately that a procurement announcement might be made in the next few months. With any large government defense procurement it becomes a long drawn out process to the final award but it would sure be fun to speculate on St. Louis role/Lambert's role if Boeing plane is picked.

I'm also curious if the Boeing incentive package passed last Christmas was specific to Boeing 777x or if their is language that would make it off the shelf type incentive? The long range bomber is going to be a big deal and some one is going to land a major assembly facility. I think the package that Missouri put together in trying to land the 777x turned a lot of heads at Boeing and wouldn't be surprises if some back room discussions have been going on with the state concerning the long range bomber since.
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PostMay 14, 2015#1954

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... 95e6e.html

Another new non-stop from St. Louis this fall. There seems to be a nice rampup in service to the west coast from here in the last year or two from multiple airlines. This actually is a bit surprising since they still are not doing year round daily service to San Diego, which is if I'm not mistaken the busiest destination from here that lacks it. I heard they announced the new service in Orange County by having Missouri One plane show up (since they also announced Orange County to Kansas City)

The article also mentions the business community in helping out on this. Just me or are they getting more proactive in helping add routes from here? Since that was something I heard was an issue in that they weren't doing that compared to other places.
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PostMay 18, 2015#1956

^ the added service is great but that slogan... it's like Austin's own PR people penned it: "Hey, get the hell outta that dump and come live in Austin!"
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PostMay 18, 2015#1957

I thought the same thing. I wonder how they are marketing it in austin
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PostMay 19, 2015#1958

^I'm starting to see this week the advertising for the new service. Also I noticed that the times of the flight are in terms of time of day in between the two flights to San Antonio, likely as to not impact each other since the two airports are not too far apart (about an hour or so drive) and can at times be considered the same market.

I saw an article from the airports website noting this year three of their priority destination targets will be served in Austin, Portland, and Orange County. I'm curious what are they looking at now? Also, I remember a comment a couple years ago noting that when you look at the TWA days in terms of places served outside of a 300 mile radius of St. Louis, that most places served nonstop are served still. This was before some of the recent and upcoming ones. It would be interesting to look at a route map from the late 90s as a reference.
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PostMay 19, 2015#1959

urban_dilettante wrote:^ the added service is great but that slogan... it's like Austin's own PR people penned it: "Hey, get the hell outta that dump and come live in Austin!"
moorlander wrote:I thought the same thing. I wonder how they are marketing it in austin
Personally, I don't think they were trying to slight St. Louis.

I could be wrong, but this simply feels like the "Austin side" of the promotion, saying "Take a break from St. Louis. Come have fun in Austin". Remember too that Southwest is a quirky airline where the pilots and flight attendants tell jokes 35,000 feet in the air.

Just a guess....I think they were attempting to play off the very popular jazz instrumental, "East St. Louis Toodle-Oo" by Duke Ellington. Some people mistakenly call the song, "St. Louis Toodle-Oo".

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PostMay 19, 2015#1960

imperialmog wrote: I saw an article from the airports website noting this year three of their priority destination targets will be served in Austin, Portland, and Orange County. I'm curious what are they looking at now? Also, I remember a comment a couple years ago noting that when you look at the TWA days in terms of places served outside of a 300 mile radius of St. Louis, that most places served nonstop are served still. This was before some of the recent and upcoming ones. It would be interesting to look at a route map from the late 90s as a reference.
The only top 30 domestic airports not served from Lambert today are NY-Kennedy and Honolulu.

Going down to the top 50, add San Jose, Sacramento, San Juan & Indianapolis.

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PostMay 19, 2015#1961

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imperialmog wrote: I saw an article from the airports website noting this year three of their priority destination targets will be served in Austin, Portland, and Orange County. I'm curious what are they looking at now? Also, I remember a comment a couple years ago noting that when you look at the TWA days in terms of places served outside of a 300 mile radius of St. Louis, that most places served nonstop are served still. This was before some of the recent and upcoming ones. It would be interesting to look at a route map from the late 90s as a reference.
The only top 30 domestic airports not served from Lambert today are NY-Kennedy and Honolulu.

Going down to the top 50, add San Jose, Sacramento, San Juan & Indianapolis.

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Jacksonville (at #56) is another missing non stop that STL used to have.
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PostMay 19, 2015#1962

Who flies to San Diego?
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PostMay 19, 2015#1963

moorlander wrote:Who flies to San Diego?
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PostMay 19, 2015#1964

Southwest does but not year round which is very baffling to be honest, especially considering they are staring Orange County as a year round route.

Of the top airports listed. Almost all could be explained. JFK is just not preferred for traffic to NYC for places in perimeter for LGA (there has been a lot of added LGA capacity here in recent years too, but could see Jetblue when they arrive try this), Indianaopolis is frankly too close to here since with airport security you would get there no faster than driving (also their airport is on the same side as St. Louis), Honolulu is range and likely local demand issues as a result, San Juan I could see depending on demand Southwest adding down the road (is it in 737 range?), Sacramento and San Jose could depending on demand. There until recently was a time where there was not many flights to the west coast, but looks to be increasing the last year or two.

Busiest airports wouldn't be so much as valuable a metric as is local traffic numbers between here and someplace since that would be more telling.
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PostMay 19, 2015#1965

JetBlue giving STL a try with a JFK would be nice. I also wonder if Delta would be willing to give a JFK to STL daily or two a try. Especially if the business community would commit to x number of international trips. Delta is certainly, surely and slowly building up its JFK presence along with the international flights/code shares as its new terminal gets fully utilized. Of course, a Delta STL to JFK might not make sense if AA/BA teams up for a London Dreamliner trip which would be a better deal.

I really doubt you will see a San Jose and Sacramento flights as long as their is SFO & OAK. Considering LA is a huge market for business, media and tech world not surprised Orange County is picked over San Diego. Why not pick up those business flyers on top off the Disneyland, Sea Work, San Diego crowd. I believe Orange County is also becoming a defacto/alternate Mexico gateway on west coast while San Diego is remaining strictly a destination airport.

As far as Hawaii, It is becoming an ever increasing destination place out here in the west with increased number of routes and daily flights. However, can see the added distance as a tough place to compete against the shorter and cheaper vacation stays in Mexico. San Juan is even farther from the realm.

My two cents at end of day. I see JFK happening where as the rest is simply does not make sense from the airline perspective.
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PostMay 19, 2015#1966

dredger wrote:I really doubt you will see a San Jose and Sacramento flights as long as their is SFO & OAK. Considering LA is a huge market for business, media and tech world not surprised Orange County is picked over San Diego. Why not pick up those business flyers on top off the Disneyland, Sea Work, San Diego crowd. I believe Orange County is also becoming a defacto/alternate Mexico gateway on west coast while San Diego is remaining strictly a destination airport.
Given the single runway and other restrictions, SAN will always be a destination airport.
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PostMay 20, 2015#1967

dredger wrote:I also wonder if Delta would be willing to give a JFK to STL daily or two a try.
Both Delta and American previously had service to JFK.

American cut the route - I believe - when they signed a new pilots contract and new restrictions were placed on regional jet flying between two cities which had pilot bases (or something similar). I believe that restriction has been loosened or has been removed but AA has not reinstated the route.

Delta just canceled STL-JFK service in January, 2015.

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PostMay 21, 2015#1968

Wouldn't JFK really only exist as feeding international flights since generally people travelling to NYC prefer going to LGA? And with AA and DL for example, how many more one-stop opportunities would exist with them or their partners that don't currently exist via their respective hubs which don't have as much of the reliability issues as JFK has. The London possibility is also a possible factor, since if that happened JFK for connections would be much less sense, especially for AA with their joint venture with BA. I can't help but think that is getting closer to happening, since piecing together things like talks and the 787 gate among other things looks like a possible setup for it. Though what they didn't address with that gate in the news is the gate to the current international arrivals areas for customs? Since any scheduled 787 in the future would surely be for an international flight.

As for west coast, a big thing too is what Southwest will do here in the future. Since it becomes more likely if they want to not want to flow connecting traffic at Midway due to capacity there so they would need to move it somewhere else.
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PostMay 21, 2015#1969

It was interesting to read that SWA stock price dropped yesterday because they announced a planned 8% capacity increase for their system. Looks like airlines are finally looking at capacity expansion.

I really think it would be in Lambert's interest to spend a few dollars on architects/consultants to up come with a plan or at least a vision of what it would look like if you demo Concourse D & (international) to accommodate brand new replacement gates/expanded baggage claim and security area for SWA. SWA has taken it up the notch a few times. Time for Lambert/City/Region come to bat
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PostMay 22, 2015#1970

^ I think all the airline stocks did since the reaction from that from other airlines was they'll fight for market share.

I remember hearing something about expanding and redoing the baggage claim area in terminal 2 when some SWA executives were here. There are a couple times of day when a large number of flights arrive at the same time making it a mess there. And someone noted the security lines seem to get overburdened at times as well. At this point terminal 2 does seem to be hitting capacity and something needs to be looked at on it. I can't help but think one reason too is they are using more and more 737-800 planes which has about 40 more seats which was not expected when they built that.

It could be they will just start working on a partial reopening of D when the need arises for SWA to need more gates, but that still brings up the baggage and security area issues. Also I picture the International gates will eventually go back to the end of C as it was in the TWA days, especially with that 787 gate there. The likely plan with that is they will move international to the end of C when a TATL announcement happens and the current international gates would be open for SWA to have more gates or to demo it as a terminal 2 expansion.
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imperialmog wrote:Wouldn't JFK really only exist as feeding international flights since generally people travelling to NYC prefer going to LGA?
JFK is a much more convenient airport today than it was when I grew up in NYC in the 1980s. JFK now has rail service access via the AirTrain (albeit with a connection required to the NYC Subway or LIRR), something which LGA still does not have -- and likely won't for many years. Additionally, for many parts of Long Island, JFK is far more convenient than LGA.
imperialmog wrote:And with AA and DL for example, how many more one-stop opportunities would exist with them or their partners that don't currently exist via their respective hubs which don't have as much of the reliability issues as JFK has.
From what I can tell, AA has 3 destinations which are served exclusively from JFK (although other hubs may have seasonal service) - Birmingham, Manchester and Zurich.

DL on the other hand has 7 year round destinations only served from JFK (although other hubs may have seasonal service) - Accra, Dakar, Dublin, Manchester, Milan, Tel Aviv and Santiago (DR). Additionally, they have 11 seasonal destinations only serviced through JFK - Athens, Copenhagen, Istanbul, Malaga, Moscow, Prague, Keflavik, Shannon, Pisa and Stockholm.
imperialmog wrote:The London possibility [...] I can't help but think that is getting closer to happening, since piecing together things like [...] the 787 gate.
I guarantee you that the 787 gate was set up at AA's request for use in possible diversions to ORD or DFW.

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PostMay 29, 2015#1972

Observed the American Airlines 787 in the air yesterday as it flew over the CWE. Nice to see a plane other than a 737 in the sky over STL.

Noticed it is departing STL this morning to go to PHX. I assume these are just test flights?
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PostMay 29, 2015#1973

^ Either that or related to all the bad weather in Dallas this past week. I picture that only pops up on diversions when one goes between ORD and DFW, since from what I remember the routes they will use otherwise in those two airports would be going opposite direction from here.

Didn't AA also get a regular gate rehabbed too? I had a question, is the gate that Alaska uses used by AA when they are not? Since I wasn't sure if its connected to Alaska adding the PDX flight and at least this summer adding a 2nd SEA flight on some days of the week, so it would occupy a gate a lot more. And also if the PDX flight is delayed much it could still be here when the SEA flight arrives.

I noticed that new parking lot near terminal 2 opened up. Couldn't they use that space to expand the terminal if they do take out D and Southwest needed more gates?
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PostMay 29, 2015#1974

stlcards311 wrote: I assume these are just test flights?
Yes, part of the familiarization program of new airplanes and fleet types. We've been getting 1-2 test flights a day typically, usually routed DFW-STL-PHX-DFW.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N803AL

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PostJun 11, 2015#1975

Not sure if anyone has seen this, but in looking at some future travel plans (having to look every so often due to relationship with someone in London) is noticing it looks like United is going to start adding more mainline craft here, which is noticeable due to them only have one here a day. It looked like one of the DEN and ORD flights will be in the near future, the latter seeming to be timed for transatlantic flights. It is something that from personal experience I've seen due to having always run into full flights on the STL-ORD legs with a huge number of the people on it connecting to international flights. Not sure if any of the other flights to hubs by AA/UA/DL could use more seats or frequency soon since I've heard more than a few have been getting crowded from here.
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