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PostOct 28, 2014#1876

I know it might be painful to work around, but I'm still at a lost STL can't demo D and International Gates E to build some new fricking gates for an expanding SWA presence and to address the limited drop off/pick up area and small hourly garage. Heck, Houston Hobby and Chicago Midway where literally torn down and started over without ever closing. I was in Houston last week and Hobby is building again and adding international gates

Why tear down D and E. One, to bring some continuity to existing Southwest Terminal. Two, Sorry, but it will be a long long time for all the STL gates including D, to be ever utilized once again. I really don't comprehend how leaving a lot of empty gates standing is a good perception. Three, STL does not need a shiny new international terminal but IMO it will go a long way to secure a BA flight and maybe future SWA international flights if a couple of new international gates could be incorporate into a better design/facility then what you have now. I can understand not having the CCR, but you could configure the space, have some new gates and improve the curbside ingress/egress for SWA/International flights if people would get over Concourse D and its TWA past.

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^^ I agree, I was thinking move the international arrivals back to the end of C as it was in the TWA days, one reason is they could handle widebodies for say a BA flight. If you use the current gates now you would have to remove one for space reasons since they aren't designed for widebodies which could cause issues. It also means you get a better updated facility by renovating the end of C. Also as you mention D not fitting well with the current Southwest gates, I noticed that too since D seems very narrow and cramped, which could be an issue in adding services like shops and restaurants accompanying SWA expansion so demoing D and international E for expansion of E makes sense.

As a previous poster said, SWA does seem to be using some D gates in certain situations now, so there would need to be a way to deal with that before added E gates to not split their operations temporarily. One idea is if there could be a tunnel connecting C and E, then if need be SWA can use some empty C gates for overflow or regular use if expanded E isn't completed yet. When that is done you can demo D and International E (once the end of C is refurbished as new international arrivals area) to expand E in a way that allows better parking, curbside facilities, and possible car rental facility. Not sure if C and E could be connected aboveground, since if you do that you would then close the south facing gates on C, but if done belowground its not an issue. (also, could E expand going east instead? or are there facilities there in use now)

I drew an image of a rough sketch idea of these changes, but unsure how to post it

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PostOct 28, 2014#1878

BUSY DAY ON NEW FLIGHTS COMING TO STL INTERNATIONAL:

Frontier will begin service to Las Vegas (a new nonstop destination for them out of STL) in January.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/business/a ... op-flights

(as posted above) Alaska Air will begin another nonstop to Seattle (3 times daily from STL)
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/blog ... light.html

Air Choice One will add Fort Dodge, IA nonstop service (new destination for tem out of STL) in 60-90 days
http://muscatinejournal.com/news/state- ... 71362.html

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PostOct 29, 2014#1879

Great News!!

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PostOct 29, 2014#1880

Story about the main terminal's new copper roof:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... b3b86.html

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PostOct 29, 2014#1881

^^ The Alaska additions doesn't make it three times daily. It adds a 2nd flight from Wednesday to Sunday. Just too early to tell if this is seasonal or a permanent add, it does mean one more plane that is parked overnight here. The time is good for allowing day business trips to Seattle from here and to connect better to their hub making Alaska a more likely option for people here travelling to the NW, Alaska, or Hawaii due to better times and connecting opportunities. Wonder if this flight goes really well they may down the road add a flight to their Portland Hub. (especially if there is a good number of people using them to fly STL-SEA-PDX and back)

Also, on November 10 Southwest will start selling tickets for next summer, so there may be more new or expanded service announced then. Likely the 2nd Raliegh and 3rd Boston flights return as they have the last couple summers, (hopefully at some point those are year round) but they also will have some more planes so maybe some new service. I wouldn't be surprised if a new route announced, most likely Cleveland with the closure of the United hub opening up an opportunity.

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PostOct 29, 2014#1882

LOOKING UP: MISSOURI’S MAJOR AIRPORTS WEATHER STRUGGLES, SEE CLEARER SKIES AHEAD
Missouri Business
Posted on June 25, 2014 by Jacob Luecke


Lambert International

Missouri’s blue skies were once among the busiest in the nation.

In 2000, a combined 21 million people boarded planes at Missouri’s two cross-state international airports. At the time, air travel was relatively easy and convenient.

And with global access from St. Louis and Kansas City, Missourians were just a flight away from much of the world.

But then dark clouds began to gather. The 9/11 terrorist attacks brought new security hassles. Then came major airline consolidations, hub closures, and, finally, the prolonged economic recession. All told, Missouri’s airports have endured a decade-long storm. It’s more than a metaphor. Mother Nature even got in on the pummeling, sending a violent EF4 tornado into St. Louis’s main terminal in April 2011.

In the wake of all this, the number of air travelers boarding planes in St. Louis and Kansas City has dropped by nearly half since 2000, largely due to passenger decline in St. Louis. Although there’s been a rebound in recent years, the earlier passenger volume is likely never coming back.

However, despite these challenges, airport leaders in both cities say that their facilities are on the verge of a rebirth. Although neither airport is among the nation’s elite for passenger traffic—St. Louis ranks 31st and Kansas City is 34th—airport leaders today envision a different future.

They foresee their airports as becoming homes to major new industrial developments, such as international trade depots and cargo hubs. At both airports, the transformation has begun. There are early signs of progress.

“We see a lot happening here that’s not really related to the airlines themselves,” says Mark VanLoh, director of aviation for the Kansas City International Airport.

The outlook is similar in St. Louis.

“We haven’t given up on passenger business, but there are other facets that can bring phenomenal revenue into our airport, which can make us more cost effective and competitive,” says Rhonda Hamm-Niebruegge, director of airports and chief executive officer at Lambert-St. Louis International Airport.

With new ideas and new support, both airports say things are starting to look up.

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PostOct 29, 2014#1883

arch city wrote:LOOKING UP: MISSOURI’S MAJOR AIRPORTS WEATHER STRUGGLES, SEE CLEARER SKIES AHEAD
Missouri Business
Posted on June 25, 2014 by Jacob Luecke


Lambert International

Missouri’s blue skies were once among the busiest in the nation.

In 2000, a combined 21 million people boarded planes at Missouri’s two cross-state international airports. At the time, air travel was relatively easy and convenient.

And with global access from St. Louis and Kansas City, Missourians were just a flight away from much of the world.

But then dark clouds began to gather. The 9/11 terrorist attacks brought new security hassles. Then came major airline consolidations, hub closures, and, finally, the prolonged economic recession. All told, Missouri’s airports have endured a decade-long storm. It’s more than a metaphor. Mother Nature even got in on the pummeling, sending a violent EF4 tornado into St. Louis’s main terminal in April 2011.

In the wake of all this, the number of air travelers boarding planes in St. Louis and Kansas City has dropped by nearly half since 2000, largely due to passenger decline in St. Louis. Although there’s been a rebound in recent years, the earlier passenger volume is likely never coming back.

However, despite these challenges, airport leaders in both cities say that their facilities are on the verge of a rebirth. Although neither airport is among the nation’s elite for passenger traffic—St. Louis ranks 31st and Kansas City is 34th—airport leaders today envision a different future.

They foresee their airports as becoming homes to major new industrial developments, such as international trade depots and cargo hubs. At both airports, the transformation has begun. There are early signs of progress.

“We see a lot happening here that’s not really related to the airlines themselves,” says Mark VanLoh, director of aviation for the Kansas City International Airport.

The outlook is similar in St. Louis.

“We haven’t given up on passenger business, but there are other facets that can bring phenomenal revenue into our airport, which can make us more cost effective and competitive,” says Rhonda Hamm-Niebruegge, director of airports and chief executive officer at Lambert-St. Louis International Airport.

With new ideas and new support, both airports say things are starting to look up.

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According to this article, Kansas City's sign of airport rebirth is 800 jobs in cargo warehouses... and St. Louis's sign of airport rebirth is fumbling the Chinese Cargo Hub plans and playing the role of also-ran in Boeing's leverage play for a better 777 manufacturing deal in Washington. Yuck.

Though it is great that we've been regaining some direct flights to major cities in recent years.

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PostOct 30, 2014#1885

Since we are throwing out wish lists for Lambert. I'd like to see the security checks for the main terminal on the top floor. Make the entire lower level behind the security screen. That way you can make connection between A B and C without exiting security. If the D gates were rehabbed there would even b port unities to connect through D to E with some sides-scalators to move people through D. This would be number one on my upgrades wish list.

Second on the wish list would be consolidated rental car.

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PostOct 30, 2014#1886

I was just looking up the status of the new KCI terminal, however it is *very* dead. There are no renovations planned for the airport either.

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PostNov 25, 2014#1887

Alaska Airlines is launching STL-PDX service, effective July 1. Flights will be operated by SkyWest Airlines on an Embraer 175.

PDX-STL 10:15am-3:55pm
STL-PDX 4:35pm-6:45pm

http://splash.alaskasworld.com/Newsroom ... 045610.asp

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PostNov 25, 2014#1888

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imperialmog wrote: I did see the British Airways route to Austin is doing quite well ....
BA has announced they plan to upgrade the LHR-AUS flights from a Boeing 787 to a Boeing 777 starting next winter (2015).

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Is there any chance that 787 gets moved to an STL route?

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PostNov 25, 2014#1889

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imperialmog wrote: I did see the British Airways route to Austin is doing quite well ....
BA has announced they plan to upgrade the LHR-AUS flights from a Boeing 787 to a Boeing 777 starting next winter (2015).

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Is there any chance that 787 gets moved to an STL route?
I think it was being swapped with a 777 used from London to Montreal so there isn't a spare 787 on their end until next year when I think they start getting 787-9s. They might upgauge their current 787-8 routes to that freeing some for new service. With Austin doing so good for them they would likely look at more US cities.

Speaking of 787, I saw somewhere that AA is test running their first ones and was actually using St. Louis as part of it? It was strange since it is the only place that isn't an AA/US hub and they weren't even having it test in all of their hubs. Its just odd they would run a 787 since they wouldn't fly it to one of their hubs from here since widebodies are very rarely used on domestic routes anymore. Since wouldn't it be a challenge for the crew here to deal with a new plane type, meaning it would be odd to do this if they (or one of their partners) aren't considering 787 operations here at some point.

Also that is good news seeing Alaska start up service to Portland starting next year. That crossed off one of my wish list routes. Interesting is it is part of inaugurating a new plane type into their network. This gets me thinking as well that its looking more certain that if Southwest doesn't make their service to San Diego year round, Alaska might when they have more E175 in their network. In part since that is the busiest route from here that lacks year round daily service. Its good seeing all the new and expanded service to the west coast in the past year or so since that was sorely lacking.

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PostNov 25, 2014#1890

imperialmog wrote:Speaking of 787, I saw somewhere that AA is test running their first ones and was actually using St. Louis as part of it? It was strange since it is the only place that isn't an AA/US hub and they weren't even having it test in all of their hubs. Its just odd they would run a 787 since they wouldn't fly it to one of their hubs from here since widebodies are very rarely used on domestic routes anymore. Since wouldn't it be a challenge for the crew here to deal with a new plane type, meaning it would be odd to do this if they (or one of their partners) aren't considering 787 operations here at some point.
It's most likely coming here for ground staff familiarization and not in passenger service. With STL located midway between ORD & DFW, we do get an occasional international diversion when an airport is impacted by weather.

If a 787 goes into domestic service for crew familiarization, it will likely run between some combination of DFW, ORD, LAX & MIA.

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PostDec 02, 2014#1891

^^ Its just interesting is the choice of airports for whatever familiarization they are doing.

I did hear from a few people that things did go well at the airport over the holiday week. This is really noticable considering the mess they had Sunday at Midway with the TSA. With that and other issues going on there in the last year with more delays, is that airport nearing a point where they are nearing full? And if so, would that cause Southwest to try to add flights here to relieve it by not tying up connecting passengers there?

Also with Alaska starting service to Portland, will it end up with a flight schedule similar to the existing Seattle flight? It looks like it might and they might be needing to use two gates at the same time. They do seem to see oppurtunities here considering adding a morning Seattle flight at least 5 days a week in the summer which would be really good for business trips and hub connectivity. A route I am now curious about from here as a result of this is a St. Louis-San Diego route. Its currently served seasonally by Southwest even though numbers show it could be year round. (note: its the busiest route from here that is not served daily year-round) I would not be surprised if they decide to make it year round since if they don't Alaska might jump in since they have started building flights out of there and there are some more e175 jets arriving in 2016.

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PostDec 02, 2014#1892

imperialmog wrote:Also with Alaska starting service to Portland, will it end up with a flight schedule similar to the existing Seattle flight?
The SEA flight operates about two hours later than the PDX flight will.

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PostDec 02, 2014#1893

imperialmog wrote:^^ Its just interesting is the choice of airports for whatever familiarization they are doing.

I did hear from a few people that things did go well at the airport over the holiday week. This is really noticable considering the mess they had Sunday at Midway with the TSA. With that and other issues going on there in the last year with more delays, is that airport nearing a point where they are nearing full? And if so, would that cause Southwest to try to add flights here to relieve it by not tying up connecting passengers there?
Security checkpoint issues and/or other problems?

What happened at Midway sounds like the stuff of nightmares.
http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20141130 ... ay-morning

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PostDec 17, 2014#1894

Well it is official (after a few nonstop holiday flights this year) Southwest will add daily service from STL to AUSTIN in June.

http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news ... ights.html

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PostDec 17, 2014#1895

^ that's nice. the article also mentions a 3% increase in Lambert traffic in the 3Q.

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PostDec 18, 2014#1896

More information.

Southwest will begin nonstop again to Seattle in June 2015.

http://www.swamedia.com/releases/more-h ... er?l=en-US

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PostDec 18, 2014#1897

^ I was curious if they were going to fly Seattle again next summer since Alaska announced more frequency there next summer. I know Southwest has a lot of seasonal routes from Seattle due to cruise season there, and that flight is similarly times to the Alaska flight in operation now so adding a morning flight was unlikely to affect it. What I would really like is if Southwest finally decides to make the seasonal San Diego route year-round since that is the busiest route from here that lacks year-round service at this point.

That is really good that there will be an Austin non-stop, it sounds like from a lot of the stories on it that it was a priority route for the airport to get and that there were a number of people in the community clamoring for it. It sounds like it was the startup and tech community here played a role. Its good seeing next summer both Austin and Portland non-stops will start here since that fills in two of the largest holes in nonstop service left, not sure what is really left in feasible routes domestically at this point. It might be near the point where most of what could work already exists and now the focus would be international service and increase in service to existing routes. The steady growth of passenger numbers will help out on this. (the numbers look even better when you consider there is negative growth in short-haul passengers due to less sense in flying short-haul over time)

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PostDec 18, 2014#1898

imperialmog wrote:^ I was curious if they were going to fly Seattle again next summer since Alaska announced more frequency there next summer. I know Southwest has a lot of seasonal routes from Seattle due to cruise season there, and that flight is similarly times to the Alaska flight in operation now so adding a morning flight was unlikely to affect it. What I would really like is if Southwest finally decides to make the seasonal San Diego route year-round since that is the busiest route from here that lacks year-round service at this point.

That is really good that there will be an Austin non-stop, it sounds like from a lot of the stories on it that it was a priority route for the airport to get and that there were a number of people in the community clamoring for it. It sounds like it was the startup and tech community here played a role. Its good seeing next summer both Austin and Portland non-stops will start here since that fills in two of the largest holes in nonstop service left, not sure what is really left in feasible routes domestically at this point. It might be near the point where most of what could work already exists and now the focus would be international service and increase in service to existing routes. The steady growth of passenger numbers will help out on this. (the numbers look even better when you consider there is negative growth in short-haul passengers due to less sense in flying short-haul over time)
Looks like more and more of the missing non-stops to/from St. Louis are filling in. Getting and keeping those Seattle and Austin non-stops is important.

From a personal point of view I'd like to get that St. Louis to Jacksonville Florida non-stop back. American used to have one and I'm not a fan of now having to connect through CLT, ATL or MCO.

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PostDec 18, 2014#1899

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imperialmog wrote:^ I was curious if they were going to fly Seattle again next summer since Alaska announced more frequency there next summer. I know Southwest has a lot of seasonal routes from Seattle due to cruise season there, and that flight is similarly times to the Alaska flight in operation now so adding a morning flight was unlikely to affect it. What I would really like is if Southwest finally decides to make the seasonal San Diego route year-round since that is the busiest route from here that lacks year-round service at this point.

That is really good that there will be an Austin non-stop, it sounds like from a lot of the stories on it that it was a priority route for the airport to get and that there were a number of people in the community clamoring for it. It sounds like it was the startup and tech community here played a role. Its good seeing next summer both Austin and Portland non-stops will start here since that fills in two of the largest holes in nonstop service left, not sure what is really left in feasible routes domestically at this point. It might be near the point where most of what could work already exists and now the focus would be international service and increase in service to existing routes. The steady growth of passenger numbers will help out on this. (the numbers look even better when you consider there is negative growth in short-haul passengers due to less sense in flying short-haul over time)
Looks like more and more of the missing non-stops to/from St. Louis are filling in. Getting and keeping those Seattle and Austin non-stops is important.

From a personal point of view I'd like to get that St. Louis to Jacksonville Florida non-stop back. American used to have one and I'm not a fan of now having to connect through CLT, ATL or MCO.
The Jacksonville Airport smells like sadness and shattered dreams.

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PostDec 18, 2014#1900

Chalupas54 wrote:The Jacksonville Airport smells like sadness and shattered dreams.
It's not that bad. JAX is small and security is easy to clear.

Though the lower baggage claim/rental car counters are sad, smell and remind you of the bad New York airports. Plus all the off-airport parking places are janky looking.

I just fly SW non stop to MCO and drive up. At least to me it's easier than connecting.

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