Neighborhood orders of protection can be used to ban nuisance people from an area as a condition of parole. It requires representatives of the neighborhood to show up at a hearing for the person when they get in trouble and explain to the judge why they are no longer welcome in the community. Not exactly sure how they work, but I see things about them on the neighborhood list serve occasionally with requests for residents to testify. The various orders used to be posted on the prosecutor's website, but it is apparently under construction and not available now. If you have questions about it I would talk to your NSO (7th ward is Sandy Colvin 657-1357)
Now I know who he is. He approached me and a friend in Soulard near McGurk's. That was a couple of years ago. he gave us the same story about a fight with the boyfriend and needing bus fare.
I hope I never see black barbie again, but if I do, I'll snap a photo of Frank!moorlander wrote:We need pics Jake!
BTW, he seems pretty stable, but when I did confront him that I had heard his story before, he started yelling at me something like: "You are all just aliens and I'm trying to get off this planet". 
jakektu wrote:BTW, he seems pretty stable, but when I did confront him that I had heard his story before, he started yelling at me something like: "You are all just aliens and I'm trying to get off this planet".
Is this him?
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I made a 911 operator laugh out loud the other day.
It went something like this…
“Saint Louis Police. How may I help you?”
“Yes. I’d like to report a homeless man at about 14th and Pine, walking north and with no pants on.”
“BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!”
It went something like this…
“Saint Louis Police. How may I help you?”
“Yes. I’d like to report a homeless man at about 14th and Pine, walking north and with no pants on.”
“BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!”
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It's seems as if there has been an increase in panhandling and the homeless population downtown. People now camping out on the sidewalks on the North and South sides of the NLEC. Has anyone else experienced the same?
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I thought that I saw Black Barbie on Lafayette, hanging around Bob Cassilly's building (near corner of Jefferson and Lafayette.) He's banned from that area, too.
But when I drove around the block to get a really good look a him--not the Black Barbie. I guess that all street panhandler in fur coats look alike.
But when I drove around the block to get a really good look a him--not the Black Barbie. I guess that all street panhandler in fur coats look alike.
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An interesting development:
Homeless everywhere can now be served in St. Louis
Homeless everywhere can now be served in St. Louis
Homeless people living in St. Louis City or County will no longer have to show proof of residency in order to get social services in either county.
St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay and County Executive Charlie Dooley announced the new policy today. The aim, according to their announcement, is to make it easier for homeless people to get services in the two counties, and, ultimately, "result in less crime and less disruption of our neighborhoods."
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Let's hang out a sign that says "Homeless welcome" and then complain about all the problems they cause when they get here.
Brilliant.
Brilliant.
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^ Basically had the same question/thought. Won't this invite more homeless? Though I don't know if this is true. If I understand it right, homeless used to have to show a last permanent address within 100mi of St. Louis and not they don't. Are homeless people going to be flocking to STL from further away than 100mi? Seems unlikely. The concern though, is that if they do, most would concentrate in downtown STL - an area that already handles far more than its share of the region's homeless.
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If there is such a thing as homeless tourism, it is very small. That is not how it works, and the key is getting the homeless effective services/treatment. Pittsburgh has been able to reduce homelessness by a considerable amount be providing medical care, and homeless people aren't flocking there to get the bennies. Its a community and regional issue and the fewer barriers to effective treatment the better we all are.
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I think this will have little impact. Most homeless people within 70 miles from downtown STL come downtown anyway. I often ask homeless people where they are from and the majority are from outside the city.
The key is to get other municipalities to offer more homeless services so 100% of the burden isn't placed on Downtown.
The key is to get other municipalities to offer more homeless services so 100% of the burden isn't placed on Downtown.
Has black barbie hurt anyone? It seems he is more of an institution than anything else and at least provides some entertainment.
StlToday - Effort underway in St. Charles County to expand services for homeless
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/stc ... 3ade2.html
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/stc ... 3ade2.html
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LONG FORM
NEWS FEATURE
In Wash U's shadow, 3 St. Louisans Struggle at the Corner of Hope and Despair
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LONG FORM
NEWS FEATURE
In Wash U's shadow, 3 St. Louisans Struggle at the Corner of Hope and Despair
https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/in ... r-38489254
^Did that really become a law here since mid-August when I headed west to wrap up college? I recall seeing many people feeding the homeless in the parks across from City Hall over the spring and summer.
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Was this part of the state law that came into effect on August 28th (date most laws come in effect)
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i think this kind of post is useful to raise questions that need answers, but i am not familiar enough with the law or the circumstances referenced to have an opinion on whether something is truely wrong with what occurred.
I would definitely question the constitutionality of a law that explicitly says 'it shall be illegal to give a homeless person a sandwich' and if such a law existed it should be challenged in court. That said i am unclear on substance of the allegations here. I look forward to further clarification. Also if anyone know the specific law in question hope it gets posted so we can educate ourselves on it.
I would definitely question the constitutionality of a law that explicitly says 'it shall be illegal to give a homeless person a sandwich' and if such a law existed it should be challenged in court. That said i am unclear on substance of the allegations here. I look forward to further clarification. Also if anyone know the specific law in question hope it gets posted so we can educate ourselves on it.
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i think the issue is a random person making sandwiches or food at their home kitchen that cannot be inspected for heath code can result in a public health emergency if 100 homeless become poised
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I see people feeding the needy out of the back of an SUV next to the central library (both sides) and by park pacific all the time. agree with the regulation. Should be done by groups with recognition and pedigree.
The latter qualifier is there to eliminate NLEC
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Still a question of jurisdiction. If they sold the food its one thing but i don't think taking food to a pot luck is subject to regulation and neither should free sandwiches to homeless.
Setting up an operation is a bit of another question which speaks to the context question. I could imagine some kind of permitting would be necessary to post up on a sidewalk and set up a soup line. Health inspection seems overkill for free food though and simply a straw man justification to restrict support for homeless people in general.
All that said i don't know what happened in the incident referenced or what law was cited.
Setting up an operation is a bit of another question which speaks to the context question. I could imagine some kind of permitting would be necessary to post up on a sidewalk and set up a soup line. Health inspection seems overkill for free food though and simply a straw man justification to restrict support for homeless people in general.
All that said i don't know what happened in the incident referenced or what law was cited.
I don't think so. That one was targeting the homeless themselves for camping on state property, permitting LEOs to issue citations for doing so if "other services" or something like that are available. It also prohibited cities/munis from inhibiting LEOs from enforcing the law and threatened to revoke state funding from violators.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Oct 13, 2022Was this part of the state law that came into effect on August 28th (date most laws come in effect)
EDIT: Here's the underlying bill: https://house.mo.gov/billtracking/bills ... 3H.08T.pdf.