urbanSTL

I like the Heyward deal but there are still several question marks though. Will they go out and get another stud pitcher or another big bat cause Heyward is a very very streaky hitter. When he's good he's good but when he's quiet he's quiet. I do like Walden though he definitely adds some much reliable depth to our relief staff. I think Cardinals win the division easily as it looks like Pitt isn't going to make many moves the Reds seem to be rebuilding Milwaukee could be a close candidate and the Cubs might shock us and be a 2nd place team and actually be a wild card team

Here's what i have for 2015

Cardinals
Brewers
Cubs
Pirates
Reds
However Cubs could easily be the 2nd place team.

Well this is certainly interesting.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/17/sport ... s-fbi.html

The F.B.I. and Justice Department prosecutors are investigating whether front-office officials for the St. Louis Cardinals, one of the most successful teams in baseball over the past two decades, hacked into internal networks of a rival team to steal closely guarded information about player personnel.

^A testament to St. Louis' up and coming tech scene.

wabash wrote:^A testament to St. Louis' up and coming tech scene.

My theory is that Luhnow just kept his same password when he backed-up the entire Cardinals player data disks and took them to Houston.

My other thought -- Peacock will do anything to get Corporations to move their allegiance from the Cardinals to the Rams.

Oh, Canada. Great.

So the NHL Stanley Cup goes to the team that finished behind the Blues in the same division, the Rams are leaving, and the Cards cheat. DebbieDownerDonnybrook will be celebrating this week. It's their dream come true.

Now I hear that the Supreme Court is going to let our new Polar Bear have a gun because some nut from Ohio twisted the words around about the right to arm bears and the Supremes concurred.

gary kreie wrote:My theory is that Luhnow just kept his same password when he backed-up the entire Cardinals player data disks and took them to Houston.

My other thought -- Peacock will do anything to get Corporations to move their allegiance from the Cardinals to the Rams.

Anti-midwestern conspiracy. If we were Boston, they'd have let us cheat our way to a couple World Series wins before giving us a slap on the wrist.

If it is true, I hope the punishment is more than just firing a few sacrificial lambs.

We don't know very much, but at the moment this sounds a lot more like a couple of employees ticked off at their former boss and looking to screw him over or embarrass him than it does some organization-wide cheating scandal.

In fact, based on the very early reports, it doesn't sound like cheating at all. Illegal activities, but not cheating.

Which, on the baseball side of things, would be better. But regardless, it's a federal crime (hence the FBI involvement), and someone could see jail time for this.

I suspect the Cardinals will face MLB penalties for this, but don't list to the comparisons to the Patriots (until and unless it emerges that this was systematic and that the information was used to gain a competitive advantage). It's apples to oranges at this point.

I'm not trying to downplay this either, but at this point this looks to be a crime perpetrated by a couple of Cardinals employees, unfortunately against another MLB team.

Ebsy wrote:If it is true, I hope the punishment is more than just firing a few sacrificial lambs.

Don't worry. If this really was caused by just a couple of disgruntled IT guys, I'm sure you and others will claim it went a lot higher, but the higher ups threw these low level guys under the bus, whether it's true or not.

For all the people whose personal identities are so heavily wrapped up with the St. Louis Cardinals (you know there are a lot of you out there), this is indeed a very sad and personally conflicted day.

It's just a game folks. A game where a bunch of hyper-privileged people get paid millions of dollars to be treated like royalty. And remember, our tax dollars subsidize their financial haul.

Enjoy eating that crow, Cardinal brass. "The Cardinal Way"? Man, Twitter must be eating this up.

Northside Neighbor wrote:For all the people whose personal identities are so heavily wrapped up with the St. Louis Cardinals (you know there are a lot of you out there), this is indeed a very sad and personally conflicted day.

It's just a game folks. A game where a bunch of hyper-privileged people get paid millions of dollars to be treated like royalty. And remember, our tax dollars subsidize their financial haul.

Enjoy eating that crow, Cardinal brass. "The Cardinal Way"? Man, Twitter must be eating this up.

Just a game? The folks saying the Rams should leave keep telling us it's just a business.

Oh Gary just scores a KO blow!!

"Hacking" is simply unauthorized access to a computer or database.

Yes, it's bad if someone from the Cardinals organization did have unauthorized access to the Astro's database, but I suspect that the "hacking" was not as sophisticated as some people and the media are thinking (and suggesting).

Luhnow is an a**hole and he likely did not secure the Astro's system. The system he set up in Houston was a mirror of the one he set up in St. Louis (known as "Redbird). Come on.

The two franchises HATE one another and I HATE the Astros.

The allegations could turn out to be bullsh*t as Bob Costas suggests.

Get a better security/encryption system Houston Astros!

I wonder if the Cardinals can somehow turn the tables and prove that Luhnow/Astros hacked into the Cardinals' "Redbird" system.

For me the key important point is that this is just alleged stealing of scouting data. Unless you're pulling hard for the Cardinals' AA-affiliate team, it seems unlikely that this impacts how we view past games in an appreciable way like the Patriots' spying or ball inflation scandals.

This is most likely a very serious crime (although I'm not sure the perpetrators realized how serious at the time) committed by a couple of Cardinals employees. It came at the expense of another team, but I don't think it's REALLY a competition related issue.

Although at this point we just don't know the scope.

A very serious crime? That's not what I've been reading/hearing.

For example...

"It’s unlikely the FBI’s investigation into the Cardinals for hacking the Astros’ information will lead to criminal charges, ESPN legal expert Lester Munson tells the Kevin Wheeler Show."

listen here
http://www.101sports.com/2015/06/17/the ... stigation/

I didn't actually hear it, but NPR just interviewed somebody from Deadspin ( ) about the Cardinals "scandal". Given the interviewee, I'm sure I can guess the tone. Anybody else hear it?