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PostMar 18, 2013#26

FlasherZ wrote:
rbb wrote: I was also impressed that Tesla saw fit to put two Model S's on display. Absolutely beautiful vehicles, and an impressive feat of engineering.
For what it's worth, that was not Tesla who put the cars on display -- they were two privately-owned vehicles (the red one was mine) that were made available via members of the Gateway Electric Vehicle Club. I had a lot of fun showing it, and am pretty proud to show the future of automobiles.

Is this you FlasherZ?

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PostMar 18, 2013#27

^NextStal-ker.

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PostMar 18, 2013#28

^Haha. I can see how you might think that.

I’m no paparazzi. I’ve actually ridden in that car. :)

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PostApr 05, 2013#29

Story in BND and KC Star about two startups in KC working on driverless car tech. Is anything like this going on here?

Race to build driverless cars is in full throttle

Read more here: http://www.bnd.com/2013/04/05/2564167/r ... rylink=cpy

PostApr 10, 2013#30

Interesting piece in the Boston Globe on how self-driving cars may lead to BOTH more suburban sprawl AND more dense development in commercialized areas, since all the parking can be remote.

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas ... rless.html

PostMay 03, 2013#31

Interesting, (frightening?) vision of how self-driving cars would impact cities and transit in the future. From London Telegraph originally. This is a bit exaggerated in my opinion, certainly for the transition period over the next 20-30 years. But interesting.



"Fewer people may want to own cars, with rental becoming more attractive. This could allow residential parking areas to be put to other uses."

It is hard to think about how this could change things. If personal car ownership diminishes, we won't need expensive and expansive 3-car garages anymore. City homes with street parking could become more attractive. Or people may choose more sprawl -- hard to say. Walking and biking could boom since cars won't ever be collision threat to them anymore.

http://www.thestarphoenix.com/life/driv ... story.html

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PostMay 03, 2013#32

I fear that self-driving cars and near lack of accidents, maybe even a lack of traffic jams, would accelerate sprawl. Imagine sitting in a car with your laptop, working on your way to work. A family could have a relatively relaxing dinner driving home - we already eat in our cars anyway. Auto accidents affect commuters much more than those driving shorter distances within a city - so those with longer commutes stand to gain more. Add in electric vehicles with an eMPG of 200 or whatever and the cost of driving diminishes greatly too = more sprawl.

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PostMay 03, 2013#33

Alex Ihnen wrote: Imagine sitting in a car with your laptop, working on your way to work. A family could have a relatively relaxing dinner driving home
I don't have to imagine. I've seen it. Episode #127 of "The Twilight Zone" (the original from the 50s/60s). It was depicted in a scene of how modern day citizens would travel by car in the year 1991.

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PostMay 03, 2013#34

terence d wrote:
Alex Ihnen wrote: Imagine sitting in a car with your laptop, working on your way to work. A family could have a relatively relaxing dinner driving home
I don't have to imagine. I've seen it. Episode #127 of "The Twilight Zone" (the original from the 50s/60s). It was depicted in a scene of how modern day citizens would travel by car in the year 1991.
Did it look like any of these?


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PostMay 03, 2013#35

^ interesting to see that the man is still seated by the steering wheel.... prolly just in case the robot car goes berserk and he has to wrestle it to safety and protect the wimmenfolk and children from harm. Also, what becomes of American manhood without driving?

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PostMay 03, 2013#36

This is all well and good until Skynet goes live, becomes self aware and then everything goes Asimov

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PostMay 03, 2013#37

roger wyoming II wrote:^ interesting to see that the man is still seated by the steering wheel.... prolly just in case the robot car goes berserk and he has to wrestle it to safety and protect the wimmenfolk and children from harm. Also, what becomes of American manhood without driving?
Nice observation. The top two pictures look like the same trip, except they changed to casual clothes and the kid with the paper airplane is mysteriously missing. Lesson -- do not attempt to back-seat drive or criticize robo-driver. He has voice recognition. Notice the people are no longer smiling or making eye contact with each other since robo-driver ejected the kid.

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PostMay 07, 2013#38

moorlander wrote: Is this you FlasherZ?
No, mine is registered in Illinois and has black seats (that car has the tan seats).

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PostJul 08, 2013#39

Will driverless cars make cities explode? See link below. I've seen reports that think it will help downtowns by simplifying parking and eliminating the market for parking garages right downtown and moving them to the edge of downtown. And it will be easier to reach downtown.

I just bought a Subaru Forester that's has adaptive cruise control, and there have been some days where I have not needed to touch the pedals all the way to work in stop and go driving, once I got onto the interstate. So I get a sense of how simplified driving can result in people willing to drive further to get to work.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall ... massively/

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/0 ... pe-cities/

PostJul 10, 2013#40

More on parking and city revenue in the future with driverless cars.

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/0 ... insurance/

PostAug 28, 2013#41

Yesterday Nissan made a commitment to sell affordable driverless cars by 2020. And then introduce the technology into all their car lineups in two product cycles -- about 8 years later. They made a commitment to all-electric cars back in 2010, and met that commitment and have sold 100,000 all-electric cars since then, so they don't take these commitments lightly.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... %3Darticle

I went to the baseball game last night and saw CarPark Village first hand. With a truly autonomous car, I could envision having it drop me off at Flying Saucer and then sending if off on its own to find a cheap remote parking space. I would want it to come get me on demand in case I needed to leave the game early, say. But I can't quite envision how that would work for a large crowd of people. I can't see 35,000 people standing at the curb after a game looking for their autonomous car to come by and get them. (choose the "be aggressive" setting.) So I think it more likely that the pickup points will spread out -- you have your car meet you at, say, Joe Bucks curb after the game, and then you walk there to meet it. Maybe a small "cell phone" lot would work. Don't ask me what happens if it shows up with a big dent in the side, or a smash-and-grab guy stuck in the grille.

PostNov 24, 2013#42

How self-driving cars might change our cities

Interesting piece in TreeHugger that summarizes the portions of a much longer piece in the New Yorker about Driverless cars that deals with the affects on cities.

Treehugger:
http://www.treehugger.com/cars/how-self ... ities.html

New Yorker:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013 ... act_bilger



I personally believe the immediate goal is a crashless car, not driverless. Crashless may lead to driverless, but it is easier to get to crashless incrementally with car-to-car communication. It raises lots of questions about the affects on pedestrians and bicycles. On one hand, communicating cars could get through intersections without stopping. But what would this mean to pedestrians and bicyclers? On the other hand, if bikers and walkers carry communicating devices, we should create a system where no car is ever allowed to strike a pedestrian or bike, which means bikes and cars can share roads with more safety. Smart intersections would be required to accommodate all users of the shared intersection, including bikes and pedestrians.

My Subaru Forester already has limited capability to detect pedestrians with tiny TV cameras and slam on the brakes. It was designed to prevent rear end collisions, but my manual has these words in it, and then a lot of caveats and warnings (that I didn't paste here.)

Detection of pedestrians
The EyeSight system can also detect
pedestrians. The EyeSight system detects
pedestrians from their size, shape and
movement. The system detects a pedestrian
when the contour of the head and shoulders
are clear and the left/right balance is
symmetrical.

So, the prospect is dramatically fewer traffic deaths, dramatically lower insurance premiums, and dramatically lighter vehicles that could be summoned rather than purchased and parked all day.

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PostNov 24, 2013#43

Cool, but how will this affect car insurance and insurance companies?

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PostNov 25, 2013#44

I think driverless cars have the potential to totally eliminate the need for parking lots and parking decks right next to major residential and commerical centers. I forsee a future where driverless cars are akin to a taxi that is run by public transit and you just pay a subscription for the service. You request a destination on your phone and 5 min later, a automated taxi pulls up and takes you to where you need to go. Then you get on with your day. There would be no need to have thousands of cars parked and idled at one place during the night and at some other place during the day and at some third place during shopping and entertainment. Such a waste of money and space. This other system seems much more efficient and can contribute to good urban design.

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PostNov 25, 2013#45

^ but how is that at all desirable? That sounds so horrible to me. The only way I can see driverless cars being accepted is if they have their own separate ROW.

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PostNov 25, 2013#46

moorlander wrote:^ but how is that at all desirable? That sounds so horrible to me. The only way I can see driverless cars being accepted is if they have their own separate ROW.
A system like that is desirable for me because I don't want to deal with the worrying about the externalities of owning a car (insurance, paying taxes and registration, worrying about accidents and scratches, paying for parking, paying for parking) especially because I don't use a car in my day to day life and only use it for shopping and visiting restaurants. I have better things to think about in my life like time for work, friends, and my health. Who really wants to deal with that crap? This is one of the reasons that I find the Zipcar so useful. You just book a time on the car and use it only when you need it and its cheaper and less stressful than actually owning a car (gas and insurance and liability are all covered by the subscription). This just a logical extension. Its like a Zipcar that you don't even have to drive but you still get the amenities of a private vehicle.

This would work great for kids too. They can order their own private automated transportation home even when you're busy. You can at a touch get a separate car for each member for your family or one big van for everyone together. It provides flexibily that is impossible with traditional privately owned vehicles.

Privately owned cars are probably in active use at most 5% of their lives. What if you could get the national car fleet in use 50% of the time, all the time? We'd probably need 10% of the cars that exist today to provide the same service to everyone. All of a sudden, building large parking lots and building gigantic and wide highways will no longer be economical or necessary.

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PostNov 26, 2013#47

innov8ion wrote:Cool, but how will this affect car insurance and insurance companies?
AAA says we spend $300 billion per year on car crashes -- repair, medical, etc. We spend at least $160 billion per year in car insurance premiums. 33,000 people are killed each year. That is just in the U.S. The savings in insurance premiums alone should easily pay for the investment in the technology.

The Eno Center for Transportation did a study on autonomous vehicles, and found the following:

"If 90 percent of vehicles were self-driving, as many as 21,700 lives per year could be saved, and economic and other benefits could reach a staggering $447 billion, said the study, a copy of which was provided to The Associated Press."
http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/art ... g-benefits

$447 billion (~$1/2 trillion) savings per year is huge. If it could all be applied to the US national debt somehow, the ENTIRE debt of the US could be paid off in only 8.5 years.

Here is the Eno Report:
https://www.enotrans.org/wp-content/upl ... -paper.pdf

Here is the US House Subcommittee hearing on autonomous vehicles last Tuesday, Nov 19, 2013.
http://transportation.house.gov/calenda ... tID=357149

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PostJan 09, 2023#48

2023 Auto Show is this weekend. They'll be doing the obnoxious lung-clogging drifting show again.

https://saintlouisautoshow.com/

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PostJan 09, 2023#49

quincunx wrote:
Jan 09, 2023
2023 Auto Show is this weekend. They'll be doing the obnoxious lung-clogging drifting show again.

https://saintlouisautoshow.com/
Goes hand in hand with most commercials car manufacturers roll out.  And we wonder why it's become a nuisance in our society.

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PostJan 10, 2023#50

Don't they do the drifting on Cole? The street has seen better days.

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