Montreal Kicked Cars to the Curb and Thrived
https://thewalrus.ca/montreal-kicked-cars-to-the-curb-and-thrived/
https://thewalrus.ca/montreal-kicked-cars-to-the-curb-and-thrived/
Streetsblog - Deep Dive: St. Louis Launches $300M Sea Change for Sustainable Transportation
But how did it get there — and can it sustain the momentum?
https://usa.streetsblog.org/2024/09/16/ ... sportation
But how did it get there — and can it sustain the momentum?
https://usa.streetsblog.org/2024/09/16/ ... sportation
STLPR - At Crown Candy, speed humps bring sweet relief to Old North St. Louis
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Streetsblog - Will the State DOT Support St. Louis’s Sustainable Transportation Surge?
https://usa.streetsblog.org/2024/09/19/ ... tion-surge
https://usa.streetsblog.org/2024/09/19/ ... tion-surge
StreetsBlog - Is St. Louis’ Transportation Structure Set Up to Sustain its Multimodal Boom?
https://usa.streetsblog.org/2024/09/18/ ... lming-boom
https://usa.streetsblog.org/2024/09/18/ ... lming-boom
StreetsBlog - Meet the Advocates Pushing St. Louis’s Transportation Transformation
https://usa.streetsblog.org/2024/09/23/ ... sformation
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We Need More Consequences for Reckless Driving. But That Doesn’t Mean More Punishment
https://usa.streetsblog.org/2024/10/02/opinion-we-need-more-consequences-for-reckless-driving-but-that-doesnt-mean-more-punishment
https://usa.streetsblog.org/2024/10/02/opinion-we-need-more-consequences-for-reckless-driving-but-that-doesnt-mean-more-punishment
StlToday - Messenger: An uproar in Chesterfield puts curb islands on hold. ‘They didn’t ask us.’
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What a joke, the only people these inconvenience are those that illegally use the shoulder/bike lane to bypass traffic
I was out there the other day and saw those. Very odd and they come out of nowhere. I would think that they are even dangerous. I don't really see the purpose but if you need curbs then make them continuous and not random 10 ft sections. They will cause accidents.
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follow the law and don't drive on the shoulder. the purpose is to stop entitled drivers from murdering thousands of cyclists and pedestrians every year. pretty simple.flipz wrote: ↑Nov 05, 2024I was out there the other day and saw those. Very odd and they come out of nowhere. I would think that they are even dangerous. I don't really see the purpose but if you need curbs then make them continuous and not random 10 ft sections. They will cause accidents.
Don't be dramatic. Cyclists are the most entitled on the road, don't stop for anything or anyone and get mad at everyone around them but I wasn't talking about that. Go out there and see what it looks like on Clarkson. With traffic you have to have continuity and throwing random little sections of curb will case accidents. If they find that they need a curb there then sure build it but do it over an entire stretch (intersection to intersection).urban_dilettante wrote: ↑Nov 05, 2024follow the law and don't drive on the shoulder. the purpose is to stop entitled drivers from murdering thousands of cyclists and pedestrians every year. pretty simple.flipz wrote: ↑Nov 05, 2024I was out there the other day and saw those. Very odd and they come out of nowhere. I would think that they are even dangerous. I don't really see the purpose but if you need curbs then make them continuous and not random 10 ft sections. They will cause accidents.
flipz wrote: ↑Nov 06, 2024Don't be dramatic. Cyclists are the most entitled on the road, don't stop for anything or anyone and get mad at everyone around them but I wasn't talking about that. Go out there and see what it looks like on Clarkson. With traffic you have to have continuity and throwing random little sections of curb will case accidents. If they find that they need a curb there then sure build it but do it over an entire stretch (intersection to intersection).urban_dilettante wrote: ↑Nov 05, 2024follow the law and don't drive on the shoulder. the purpose is to stop entitled drivers from murdering thousands of cyclists and pedestrians every year. pretty simple.flipz wrote: ↑Nov 05, 2024I was out there the other day and saw those. Very odd and they come out of nowhere. I would think that they are even dangerous. I don't really see the purpose but if you need curbs then make them continuous and not random 10 ft sections. They will cause accidents.
This has to be a joke
No thanks, there's plenty of car danger close to home to get my fill.flipz wrote: ↑Nov 06, 2024Don't be dramatic. Cyclists are the most entitled on the road, don't stop for anything or anyone and get mad at everyone around them but I wasn't talking about that. Go out there and see what it looks like on Clarkson. With traffic you have to have continuity and throwing random little sections of curb will case accidents. If they find that they need a curb there then sure build it but do it over an entire stretch (intersection to intersection).urban_dilettante wrote: ↑Nov 05, 2024follow the law and don't drive on the shoulder. the purpose is to stop entitled drivers from murdering thousands of cyclists and pedestrians every year. pretty simple.flipz wrote: ↑Nov 05, 2024I was out there the other day and saw those. Very odd and they come out of nowhere. I would think that they are even dangerous. I don't really see the purpose but if you need curbs then make them continuous and not random 10 ft sections. They will cause accidents.
No, its a good point. Traffic management in the burbs, which were purpose-built exclusively for cars, should of course be different than on City streets._nomad_ wrote: ↑Nov 06, 2024flipz wrote: ↑Nov 06, 2024Don't be dramatic. Cyclists are the most entitled on the road, don't stop for anything or anyone and get mad at everyone around them but I wasn't talking about that. Go out there and see what it looks like on Clarkson. With traffic you have to have continuity and throwing random little sections of curb will case accidents. If they find that they need a curb there then sure build it but do it over an entire stretch (intersection to intersection).urban_dilettante wrote: ↑Nov 05, 2024follow the law and don't drive on the shoulder. the purpose is to stop entitled drivers from murdering thousands of cyclists and pedestrians every year. pretty simple.
This has to be a joke
Clarkson in Ballwin, where my parents live, has nothing in common with Holly Hills Blvd, where I live, and neither has much in common with State Highway 23 in Knob Knoster (yes, that's a real place), were 3000 of our fellow Missourians also live. Curb bump-outs make sense on a single-lane divided city street, where motorists expect to share with parked cars, cyclists, and pedestrians. Less so on suburban stroads, and not at all on country roads, where driving onto the shoulder as you approach a right turn, so trailing motorists can pass without slowing, is a polite thing to do.
Speaking of entitled cyclists, I find none more so than the parade of MAMILs (middle-aged men in lycra) you find peddling up and down Clayton road all weekend long. They're obnoxious and they look ridiculous, at least to this city slicker, but I respect its a different way of life requiring a different mix of infrastructure and public policy.
If you find cyclists entitled then you'll be shocked when you see drivers, don't stop for anything or anyone and get mad at everyone around them, constantly pulling into bike lanes so as to prioritize car traffic, leaving their cars wherever they find space regardless of who it blocks or inconveniences, expect the public to subsidize places they can leave their cars, expect neighborhoods to be leveled and disjointed in the name of free flowing traffic, impose negative environmental and health effects on anyone in their vicinity, cause hundreds of deaths per year in the St Louis area alone.
The fact is that if a curb bump out causes you to crash then you're a terrible driver. These features are not in the driving lane and will not interfere with anyone driving legally, they are only a problem if someone is trying to drive where they aren't supposed to or can't keep control of their vehicle.
The fact is that if a curb bump out causes you to crash then you're a terrible driver. These features are not in the driving lane and will not interfere with anyone driving legally, they are only a problem if someone is trying to drive where they aren't supposed to or can't keep control of their vehicle.
Yeah, everyone sucks and cars/drivers are bad. I get it, I'm a cyclist too. Its part of why I choose to live in the City; it's more naturally accommodating toward cycling and walking. I wouldn't expect the same from any suburb where the automobile dominates every facet of daily living._nomad_ wrote: ↑Nov 06, 2024If you find cyclists entitled then you'll be shocked when you see drivers, don't stop for anything or anyone and get mad at everyone around them, constantly pulling into bike lanes so as to prioritize car traffic, leaving their cars wherever they find space regardless of who it blocks or inconveniences, expect the public to subsidize places they can leave their cars, expect neighborhoods to be leveled and disjointed in the name of free flowing traffic, impose negative environmental and health effects on anyone in their vicinity, cause hundreds of deaths per year in the St Louis area alone.
The fact is that if a curb bump out causes you to crash then you're a terrible driver. These features are not in the driving lane and will not interfere with anyone driving legally, they are only a problem if someone is trying to drive where they aren't supposed to or can't keep control of their vehicle.
Bump-outs make sense when motorists expect bikes/cars/peds on the shoulder, but they cause trouble when they appear where motorists don't expect them, like on Clarkson Stroad. As OP said, if you don't want people driving on the shoulder, don't have a shoulder. Build the curb all the way out to the road the whole length of the block.
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^ that makes no sense. shoulders are necessary for maintenance and for keeping the travel lanes clear in the event of a breakdown, accident, etc. but they are not driving lanes and it's completely fine for them to be periodically interrupted. as always, the problem is that drivers, while piloting murder weapons, incessantly ignore laws meant to stop them from murdering people and then b*tch about pedestrians and cyclists, who murder zero people per year and, at worst, minimally inconvenience drivers. sorry, but that is the epitome of entitlement.
Yes, car-based society is colossal mistake, most people drive like a**holes, and a**hole drivers are the most dangerous of all the entitled a**holes we encounter daily. Your virtual signal is received and acknowledged.
All that aside, curb bump-outs on stroads (we're talking specifically about Clarkson, the ur-stroad) don't solve the problem and in fact make matters worse as they're just another catalyst for (entitled a**hole) driver mayhem.
The solution to bad drivers and too many cars consists of separating them from the rest of polite society: Roads with shoulders and minimum obstructions for car travel, car-free zones in city or town centers for walking and cycling; and streets, with things like bump-outs and speed humps, where all modes commingle.
Actually enforcing existing traffic laws every where and always would also help.
All that aside, curb bump-outs on stroads (we're talking specifically about Clarkson, the ur-stroad) don't solve the problem and in fact make matters worse as they're just another catalyst for (entitled a**hole) driver mayhem.
The solution to bad drivers and too many cars consists of separating them from the rest of polite society: Roads with shoulders and minimum obstructions for car travel, car-free zones in city or town centers for walking and cycling; and streets, with things like bump-outs and speed humps, where all modes commingle.
Actually enforcing existing traffic laws every where and always would also help.
More car destruction at Skinker and FPP. We need real bollards, here and at many intersections.
