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PostJul 18, 2008#26

Yeah, I have to admit I'm a little curious as to where the McDonald's are closing at?

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PostJul 18, 2008#27

Did you forget the one in downtown?



And they close across the country from time to time - never mass closings like this one, but all business franchises have stores that fail.

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PostJul 18, 2008#28

^ there was a McDonalds on a riverboat on the riverfront before. There also was a McDonalds in Clayton on Forsyth and Central Aves, but now that McDonalds location is a Starbucks!



I frequent the Clayton/Baxter location because a friend of mines works there. Its going to be sad to see that one go.

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PostJul 18, 2008#29

If you look at the list...the areas where you would think Starbucks was reducing its redundancy are not the areas where stores are closing. Manhattan for example where only one store is closing. Yet, they seemingly have stores on every corner. So, saturation must pay off for them. They are just droppng dead weight and a bunch of recently opened "bad decisions"

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STL63101 wrote:If you look at the list...the areas where you would think Starbucks was reducing its redundancy are not the areas where stores are closing. Manhattan for example where only one store is closing. Yet, they seemingly have stores on every corner. So, saturation must pay off for them. They are just droppng dead weight and a bunch of recently opened "bad decisions"


Actually it's 6 in Manhattan.



http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-bzst ... 2785.story


Starbucks will close a total of 14 Long Island stores as part of a plan to shutter 600 of its outlets across the country by the middle of next year, the company said in releasing a full list of closings late Thursday.



Two of the Long Island stores that are to close -- one in Central Islip near the state and federal court complex and the other on Route 25 in Southhold -- were announced earlier this week.



Starbucks is also to close three of its stores in Queens, one in Brooklyn and six in Manhattan

PostJul 18, 2008#31

Interesting tidbit from the Chicago Tribune.



http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ ... 6488.story


Cafe closings hit minority areas

By Barbara Rose and Wailin Wong | Chicago Tribune reporters

July 18, 2008

Starbucks has identified 18 stores in the Chicago area among the 600 nationwide targeted to close through March 2009, including several in minority neighborhoods that had counted on the green-and-white medallion to signal rebirth.



The Seattle-based coffee giant released Wednesday a full list of the 600 stores anticipated to be shut down resulting in the loss of about 12,000 jobs. Employees at those locations have been notified that their outlet will be closing, though specific dates aren't yet known for all of the stores. Starbucks is expecting to close 25 total cafes in Illinois.



The company had already announced it will shut down shops in Country Club Hills and Elmhurst by the end of July.



The closings include stores in largely minority areas in the south suburbs as well as neighborhoods on Chicago's South and West Sides. "Starbucks became symbolic of a community that was changing and in transition," said Earnest Gates, executive director of the Near West Side Community Development Corp. "To take that away, it's a blow to a community."



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PostJul 18, 2008#32

^ Wouldn't transitional areas be the first to go? By definition, transitional areas have weaker economic demographics. And how many of the 18 closed weren't in "minority" areas? Raspberries to the Tribune writer for addressing this as a minority issue as opposed to an economic one.

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PostJul 19, 2008#33

innov8ion wrote: Raspberries to the Tribune writer for addressing this as a minority issue as opposed to an economic one.


Maybe he just wanted to beat Doug to the punch. :wink:

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PostJul 20, 2008#34

Here is the list of closing stores from Starbucks...



Missouri

clayton and baxter 14815 clayton rd chesterfield mo

sr n & i64 7827 hwy n dardenne prairie mo

graham & i 270 1261 graham rd florissant mo

howdershell & dunn 6045 howdershell rd hazelwood mo

w florissant @ lucas & hunt 8031 w. florissant ave jennings mo

13th & main 1 e h&r block way kansas city mo

hwy 150 & hwy 291 3701 sw hollywood dr lees summit mo

sr k & weldon spring 4581 hwy k o'fallon mo

elm & sh-370 3788 elm st st. charles mo

union station 1820 market st st. louis mo

manchester & sappington 10025 manchester rd st. louis mo

telegraph & erb 6070 h telegraph rd st. louis mo

euclid & laclede 9 neuclid ave st. louis mo

7th & russell 2000 s 7th st st. louis mo

hwy 100 & s pointe 3081 phoenix center dr washington mo

lockwood & rock hill 234 w lockwood webster grove mo

hwy 94 & ofallon 5851 wwood dr weldon springs mo



Of note:

The brand new Souldard location closing

CWE closing

Union Station closing

Southtowne (Kingshighway/Chippewa) appears to be safe for now



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http://consumerist.com/5026733/a-comple ... be-closing

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PostJul 22, 2008#35

I don't drink coffee, so can someone tell me why people are making such a big deal out of this? Can't people just instead support locally-owned coffee shops? Will we see new local shops emerge in light of these closings?



KSDK did a story on the closing of the store on Lockwood in Webster - some old ladies who hang out there have started a petition to "save" their Starbucks. Of course, when interviewed for the story, they were hanging out drinking WATER. Actually spending money there would have been helpful.

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PostJul 22, 2008#36

^ Starbucks is more of a bellwether business -- that's why people make a big deal of it. I doubt it spells anything great for local coffee shops.

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DeBaliviere wrote:I don't drink coffee, so can someone tell me why people are making such a big deal out of this? Can't people just instead support locally-owned coffee shops? Will we see new local shops emerge in light of these closings?


As a coffee addict, to me it's more of a big deal in places like Oakville or Washington where there isn't an abundance of locally owned alternatives.



That said, I'm sure locally owned businesses will fill those gaps eventually. Washington still has a SBUX location inside its new Target. Oakville has a small drive-through only coffeehouse, and you can always pick up a java at the BreadCo anyway. So, while these closings are disappointing and surprising, I think their impact is being overblown.


DeBaliviere wrote:KSDK did a story on the closing of the store on Lockwood in Webster - some old ladies who hang out there have started a petition to "save" their Starbucks. Of course, when interviewed for the story, they were hanging out drinking WATER. Actually spending money there would have been helpful.


I'm reminded of the people that bought bumper stickers and T-shirts to save Anheuser-Busch. That worked out well...

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PostJul 22, 2008#38

innov8ion wrote:^ Starbucks is more of a bellwether business -- that's why people make a big deal of it. I doubt it spells anything great for local coffee shops.


Yeah, from an economic perspective, I totally get it. My question is - as a non-coffee drinker - is it a big deal to lose a Starbucks? A big enough deal that it warrants a petition drive to save them, like this is some major loss to the community? To me, it's not any different than a Taco Bell closing, but then again, it's definitely possible that I just don't "get" what's so special about Starbucks.

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ThreeOneFour wrote:As a coffee addict, to me it's more of a big deal in places like Oakville or Washington where there isn't an abundance of locally owned alternatives.



That said, I'm sure locally owned businesses will fill those gaps eventually. Washington still has a SBUX location inside its new Target. Oakville has a small drive-through only coffeehouse, and you can always pick up a java at the BreadCo anyway. So, while these closings are disappointing and surprising, I think their impact is being overblown.


Makes sense. The one right by my house - Manchester & Sappington - is closing, and there doesn't appear to be many other options in the area. The Bread Co. at Manchester and Woodlawn is the only other coffee joint I can think of.

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PostJul 22, 2008#40

I've been getting my coffee fix at McDonalds lately. Some McDs have have McCafes and offer lattes, mochas, and ice coffee for less than $3. IMO McDs mochas are better than SBUX, not as watered down and has stronger taste. Plus its a lot cheaper! :wink:


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KSDK did a story on the closing of the store on Lockwood in Webster - some old ladies who hang out there have started a petition to "save" their Starbucks. Of course, when interviewed for the story, they were hanging out drinking WATER. Actually spending money there would have been helpful.


I saw this segment as well. The bartista bought out 4 waters for these ladies. The water at SBUX is free, but the plastic cups and lid used is a material expense. I don't see why even bother to save this store if these ladies just use it to hang out and chat. They don't seem to be spending a dime there and that is what Starbucks wants, is profit, but this Lockwoods store isn't profitable for them. :roll:

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10-intuition wrote:I saw this segment as well. The bartista bought out 4 waters for these ladies. The water at SBUX is free, but the plastic cups and lid used is a material expense. I don't see why even bother to save this store if these ladies just use it to hang out and chat. They don't seem to be spending a dime there and that is what Starbucks wants, is profit, but this Lockwoods store isn't profitable for them. :roll:
I'd probably petition to keep restaurants open that gave me free food and drink too. ;)

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PostJul 22, 2008#42

Hopefully some locally owned shops can move into the closed Starbucks. Maybe Kaldi's will look at some key locations as opportunities?

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PostJul 22, 2008#43

dweebe wrote:Hopefully some locally owned shops can move into the closed Starbucks. Maybe Kaldi's will look at some key locations as opportunities?


How about Caribou Coffee coming to the STL market? :)

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PostJul 23, 2008#44

I like to support the neighborhood coffee shops like Northwest Coffee and Kaldis. There are times however when the indys are not open and Starbucks is a good option. Just liked having another Starbucks option in the West End. The Maryland Ave location is sometimes too crowed to sit and enjoy a coffee.

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PostJul 23, 2008#45

Plus the Starbucks are switching to AT&T for their WiFi. So anyone with AT&T DSL or U-Verse as their internet service can start using WiFi for free there.

PostJul 23, 2008#46

Another good article from the New York Times about how Newark New Jersey is taking the closing so personally.



http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/23/nyreg ... ref=slogin


To Starbucks, a Closing; To Newark, a Trauma

Rob Bennett for The New York Times

When Starbucks came to Broad Street in Newark, it was seen by many as a sign of a neighborhood’s potential to grow again.



By KAREEM FAHIM

Published: July 23, 2008

NEWARK — The green aprons, the blond wood, the safari-themed coffee art and the chalkboards. From Chula Vista, Calif., to Bangor, Me., all Starbucks are more or less the same. And that’s how the company wants it.



But every store, as it turns out, is not quite the same. When a Starbucks opened on Broad Street here almost eight years ago, it was not seen as a bland new spigot of a corporate coffeepot, but as a gathering place whose very existence would have seemed impossible a decade before, a symbol of a knocked-down city’s attempts to get up.



A few miles away, in New York City, new Starbucks branches were sometimes greeted with yawns, or even annoyance that the national chain was invading neighborhoods. In Newark, Sharpe James, then the mayor, showed up for the opening.



So when Starbucks announced last week that the Broad Street branch would be among the 600 stores that the coffee company is closing around the country, the reaction here was especially emotional, a mixture of anger, disappointment and frustration.



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PostJul 23, 2008#47

This whole public lamentation over Starbucks store closings is really bizzare to me. But I guess it only illustrates how successful Starbucks was in ingratiating itself into people and gaining their loyalty.

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PostJul 25, 2008#48

dweebe wrote:Hopefully some locally owned shops can move into the closed Starbucks. Maybe Kaldi's will look at some key locations as opportunities?




Well, Well, Well.



Kaldi's considers expansion into vacated Starbucks

St. Louis Business Journal - by Lucie Wolken



Kaldi's Coffee Roasting Co. is looking to capitalize on Starbucks Coffee Co.'s closures throughout St. Louis.



Starbucks, the goliath Seattle-based coffeehouse chain, announced July 1 it would close 600 locations around the country, including 17 in Missouri, 12 of them in the St. Louis area. Kaldi's is now evaluating the value of Starbucks' leases at the closed or soon-to-be-closed locations, according to Kaldi's founder Howard Lerner.



"The landlords have been talking to us, and we are listening," Lerner said. "We are looking at each one individually."



...For Kaldi's, which is owned by the Zimmer family, expansion into former Starbucks locations would be the latest move for the company that has grown from nearly $3 million in revenue in 2005 to a projected $13 million this year with a staff of 210, including 35 full-time employees.



http://stlouis.bizjournals.com/stlouis/ ... ory14.html

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PostJul 25, 2008#49

That would be great if they'd set up shop on Euclid. they also have great gooey butter cake.

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PostJul 25, 2008#50

^^^^ best scones in town too. every time i've been there after 1, they are gone. :(

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