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ginbudjim wrote:Come on people it should be banned immediately and you know it. It's disgusting, filthy, offensive, and unhealthy without question. And don't tell me it's no more offensive blah blah blah than speeding or running a stop sign. Your smoke is just as offensive to me as this would be to you if I walked over to your restaurant table and crapped on your plate of steak and lobster. Oh, well then you say, I just should just not go to those establishments where smoking is permitted, simple as that. Well wait a minute, I should have a right to crap anywhere I want just like you think you should have the right to smoke anywhere you want !!

My IQ just took a big hit after reading this.

JuiceInDogtown wrote:

ginbudjim wrote:Come on people it should be banned immediately and you know it. It's disgusting, filthy, offensive, and unhealthy without question. And don't tell me it's no more offensive blah blah blah than speeding or running a stop sign. Your smoke is just as offensive to me as this would be to you if I walked over to your restaurant table and crapped on your plate of steak and lobster. Oh, well then you say, I just should just not go to those establishments where smoking is permitted, simple as that. Well wait a minute, I should have a right to crap anywhere I want just like you think you should have the right to smoke anywhere you want !!

My IQ just took a big hit after reading this.

Cigarettes expire after about five minutes. Idiocy can last forever.



Focus: I'm a smoker who frequents bars and restaurants. Some background on a smoker's etiquette:

- I am considerate enough to not smoke around non-smokers, from remaining only in the smoking section to securing that passing smoke doesn't inadvertently blow into a fellow patron's or bartender's face.

- I do not smoke when eating. When the food arrives, the butt is extinguished.

- I do not smoke cigars or pipes in public.

- I will give a smoke to a non-smoker who asks politely. And, there are many of you who want one and ask to bum one after a couple drinks, even though you claim you never light up and in fact advocate for a total ban, until you really want one.

- My smoke is quiet. Your child is not.

- My smoke goes great with a beer. Your faux coughing does not.

- Smoke eaters are mandatory in restaurants.

- Outdoor smoking decks, such as those at Church Key, Nick's, etc. are a great compromise. Focus on mutually beneficial solutions over bans of a legal and enjoyed addictively delicious habit.



Main Point: If county smokers can't smoke in county restaurants, they will be more apt to frequent restaurants where they can smoke in the city. When this bill went around last in 2005, it was shut down because county restauranteurs were solidly against it. If businesses feel they will be hurt, they will vote against it again.

blueeyes wrote:

Gone Corporate wrote:Main Point: If county smokers can't smoke in county restaurants, they will be more apt to frequent restaurants where they can smoke in the city.

Maybe near the city limits, but I think general laziness will trump the necessity of having to drive an extra 20 miles round trip just to puff on a cigarette during a one hour meal.

Don't count on it, I went out with a smoker friend last night with our wives. He smoked from the house to the car, from the car to the restaurant, from the restaurant to the car, ran in to Target (literally ran, bathroom emergency), smoke from Target to car (we picked him up at the curb), smoked from car to theater, smoked from theater to car, and then chain smoked at his house. He is 26.



Point being, never under estimate the ambition of a great smoker!

Sweet baby Jesus - perhaps a tidal wave is looming.

How about this instead; post flyers all over town; if you don't smoke or don't want smoking in restaurants, don't go to any smoking restaurants for one week. See if they give.



If people say "I will not go there if you allow smoking," they will ban smoking, assuming they have a larger clientele of non-smokers in comparison to smokers and their business suffers.



Hey, government, let us speak for ourselves.

ginbudjim wrote:Come on people it should be banned immediately and you know it. It's disgusting, filthy, offensive, and unhealthy without question. And don't tell me it's no more offensive blah blah blah than speeding or running a stop sign. Your smoke is just as offensive to me as this would be to you if I walked over to your restaurant table and crapped on your plate of steak and lobster. Oh, well then you say, I just should just not go to those establishments where smoking is permitted, simple as that. Well wait a minute, I should have a right to crap anywhere I want just like you think you should have the right to smoke anywhere you want !!

Well I think double bacon cheeseburgers topped with extra bacon fat and deep fried are disgusting and unhealthy. Should we ban that? Should we ban contact sports because they're dangerous? If a mother smokes in a home with a child, is that child abuse? Can we call her an unfit mother and take her child away from her just because she smokes in the house? What about alcohol? Alcohol related deaths number in the tens of thousands each year. Should we try prohibition again, since it worked so well the last time?



I hope you realize that given the level of e-coli in feces, your dump on my plate is actually more potentially harmful than a roomful of cigarette smoke and me taking deep breaths.



I don't mind feeding trolls, I just give them gristle to chew on.

migueltejada wrote:Well I think double bacon cheeseburgers topped with extra bacon fat and deep fried are disgusting and unhealthy. Should we ban that?

The day that someone blows their double bacon cheeseburger topped with extra bacon fat and deep fried in my face (or more likely the day said sandwich floats through the air and makes everyone in the room less healthy), yes.

^ Although if one were to eat second-hand hot fudge it could reasonably be concluded that they may get sick. (sorry, slow Friday at the office)

I can't stand all this BS about how businesses and bars will lose traffic due to a smoking ban. Massachusetts has had a state-wide ban on ALL public places for years, and trust me, the bars are plenty full. First off, you can't just assume all smokers are bar people. And if they can't quit smoking, well then I doubt they'll just give up drinking. When I moved here in August, I totally forgot that in some places they actually allow people to smoke indoors, and it was disgusting. Health effects aside, it's simply gross to have cigarette smoke in public places.

Excuse me? I'm a wuss because I prefer to eat and be otherwise entertained in a non-toxic environment?