I've heard from several people that (in their opinion) SLU Law students will refuse to live downtown. There's so much to learn! I don't believe Midtown (or the outer reaches of the CWE) are so much different, unless you mean less lively.
I rented my place on 17th to a law student for the year I was on a fire base in Afghanistan...he says he had a good experience living downtown...good proximity to the courts and his internship and things to do...he had previously lived in U City...
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Save the "have you used transit" schtick, Pat.
I don't get why it matters if the students are forced to used transit or they are given the option of a shuttle as well. It isn't like they couldn't opt to use transit if they wanted to. You aren't going to create lifelong transit users by forcing them to take metro while they are in lawschool. Many probably have cars and will be driving from home to downtown and from downtown to midtown when necessary anyway. My point was simply that SLU wishes to offer a shuttle, which is fine as they are paying for it out of their own pocket and it will provide more transit options to potential students.
Not worth an argument. Who cares?
Let's focus on the additional 1100 bodies that will be downtown from now on and the potential this brings, shall we?
I don't get why it matters if the students are forced to used transit or they are given the option of a shuttle as well. It isn't like they couldn't opt to use transit if they wanted to. You aren't going to create lifelong transit users by forcing them to take metro while they are in lawschool. Many probably have cars and will be driving from home to downtown and from downtown to midtown when necessary anyway. My point was simply that SLU wishes to offer a shuttle, which is fine as they are paying for it out of their own pocket and it will provide more transit options to potential students.
Not worth an argument. Who cares?
Let's focus on the additional 1100 bodies that will be downtown from now on and the potential this brings, shall we?
I have heard the same sentiment, unfortunately. I don't think the focus should be moving students from midtown/cwe to downtown, as we know that is a wash. It would be nice if there was someway to integrate a "tour"/learning expo of housing options downtown to incoming students as a way for them to get to know the neighborhood and another living option. Try to gradually siphon students into downtown living as they begin to understand the convenience that it will bring.Alex Ihnen wrote:I've heard from several people that (in their opinion) SLU Law students will refuse to live downtown. There's so much to learn! I don't believe Midtown (or the outer reaches of the CWE) are so much different, unless you mean less lively.
IMO the best opportunity here is for midtown alley in between SLU and the new lawschool. Good opportunity to build new infill residential to potentially serve both the existing school and the new downtown Law School. Living in this area would potentially provide ideal access to both campuses. Of course I wouldn't mind if SLU chose to build some law school defined high rise housing on an empty lot nearby sometime soon
It wasn't a "schtick". You made some points about STL transit that I don't think are accurate. It was a sincere question.Save the "have you used transit" schtick, Pat.
I don't get why it matters if the students are forced to used transit or they are given the option of a shuttle as well. It isn't like they couldn't opt to use transit if they wanted to. You aren't going to create lifelong transit users by forcing them to take metro while they are in lawschool. Many probably have cars and will be driving from home to downtown and from downtown to midtown when necessary anyway. My point was simply that SLU wishes to offer a shuttle, which is fine as they are paying for it out of their own pocket and it will provide more transit options to potential students.
Not worth an argument. Who cares?
Let's focus on the additional 1100 bodies that will be downtown from now on and the potential this brings, shall we?
Agreed, focusing on new happenings with SLU downtown is better.
Maybe in a few years, when we know whether or not this move does better things for SLU, this'll will motivate other universities (Webster, Missouri, Wash U) to put campuses downtown.
WashU ran a few shuttle lines until the Cross County extension opened. Now they ride with the unwashed masses, but the free pass lets you ride the whole Metro system.
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Any reasoning to go along with this? Because they can't afford it?Alex Ihnen wrote:I've heard from several people that (in their opinion) SLU Law students will refuse to live downtown. There's so much to learn! I don't believe Midtown (or the outer reaches of the CWE) are so much different, unless you mean less lively.
I think most people in their mid 20's would really enjoy living so close to school - Especially with all the social, convenience, and entertainment benefits of living downtown.
Seems to me that the Paul Brown Building would have the most to gain by this announcement. 3 block from school and MetroLink in the basement.
I thought Paul Brown was pretty much full (like 90% occupancy). Or maybe the Park Pacific could offer a student discount; that would be awesome.
I wonder if those attitudes would change once they are attending school downtown and exposed to it on a daily basis? They may come to realize it's not so bad.
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^ Yes, I'm sure. The comments I heard were that downtown was too dangerous. Yes, coming from students in Midtown. Whatever, they'll learn to love it and new students will likely enjoy it more because they're signing up for a downtown campus up front.
I'm sure that many attitudes will change once they start attending school downtown.Alex Ihnen wrote:^ Yes, I'm sure. The comments I heard were that downtown was too dangerous. Yes, coming from students in Midtown. Whatever, they'll learn to love it and new students will likely enjoy it more because they're signing up for a downtown campus up front.
I would certainly agree. Further, as a recent graduate of the SLU Law School, I would be very surprised if most of the students did not live downtown.
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^ Right, there's a pretty good diversity of housing options and it's not very expensive. Soon enough they're going to really need a reason to not live downtown, instead of vice-versa.
With the Jefferson Arms hopefully being completed right down the street there is going to be a lot of people in their early 20's packed into that part of downtown. Hopefully, most of them decide to stick around for awhile.
Perhaps SLU could emulate WUSTL, figure out where the largest clusters of its off-campus students live and on-campus students shop and draw up its own Metrobus routes (and then subsidize them and give all SLU students SLUpasses for the whole system).
Check out the dwellers of Warehouse 7 on 13th & Washington. Half of them are SLU students. There are already many SLU students downtown.Alex Ihnen wrote:I've heard from several people that (in their opinion) SLU Law students will refuse to live downtown. There's so much to learn! I don't believe Midtown (or the outer reaches of the CWE) are so much different, unless you mean less lively.
My daughter's a freshman this year and has been scouting off-campus places to live next year, probably with a roommate or two. I'll ask her to gauge the sentiment of her potential roommates about where they'd like to live (and how they feel about the Loft District).the count wrote:Check out the dwellers of Warehouse 7 on 13th & Washington. Half of them are SLU students. There are already many SLU students downtown.Alex Ihnen wrote:I've heard from several people that (in their opinion) SLU Law students will refuse to live downtown. There's so much to learn! I don't believe Midtown (or the outer reaches of the CWE) are so much different, unless you mean less lively.
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Now is the time to market the City View apts to the law students and turn that piece of real estate around
Hmmm...not sure what to make of this op-ed piece in today's Post:
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/educ ... 8dc15.html
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/educ ... 8dc15.html
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He's obviously not a writer.framer wrote:Hmmm...not sure what to make of this op-ed piece in today's Post:
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/educ ... 8dc15.html
Is this the same guy who was the right wing fundy on Donnybrook? Not the brightest bulb in the box.
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What is this?
Anyway, one thing I do agree with is the ugliness of the building. That will be a turnoff for potential students, but I imagine anyone considering law school will be smart enough to realize program strength outweighs aesthetics.
Do you just pay for your diploma at WashU law? Then get a job with a family friend? At last check WashU Law was ranked 18th in the country. It's a good program. I have no idea where this person got the idea most students there are frat boys.The Wash U student will be the conventional car-driving, keg-party-hopping graduate student who probably will date an undergrad and live in a tony Clayton or University City four-family flat and after graduation get a job with a big firm or (if not in the top 10 percent) be hired through a family connection.
The St. Louis U law student will be a Metrolink-riding, loft-dwelling, New Urbanist careerist holding down 16 hours per semester plus two part-time jobs but who "plays hard" with the MLB, NFL and NHL and Peabody Opera House right out his front door and one of the best entertainment strips in the Midwest, Washington Avenue, just blocks away. And he won't even lay eyes on an undergrad until commencement ceremonies.
Anyway, one thing I do agree with is the ugliness of the building. That will be a turnoff for potential students, but I imagine anyone considering law school will be smart enough to realize program strength outweighs aesthetics.
Complaining about parking and panhandling certainly reveals the bias --disconnection from reality -- that many have in the region regarding downtown. St. Louis is dangerous. No wonder he's a Clayton lawyer. Probably lives in a gated community with a security system.
If SLU is concerned about the building they could have new cladding installed. They have the money.
If SLU is concerned about the building they could have new cladding installed. They have the money.
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Am I reading it wrong, or does he seem to say that Midtown is crime-free and suburban?