did it look at all like the previous proposal by Waldrop?
http://nextstl.com/forum/viewtopic.php? ... sh#p137730
http://nextstl.com/forum/viewtopic.php? ... sh#p137730
It's fugly but I kinda like it! Calling Kellwood....
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Garment District Building @ 1400 Washington AVE in St. Louis, MO 63103
Architecture & Design: Trivers http://www.trivers.com
Program: 22,000 RSF per floor office over retail; building height is scaleble (office floors can be added) depending on anchor tenant's need(s). Ground floor retail blended-rate offers 2-story/mezzanine retail (mezzanine space is offered free-of-charge) for less cost on Washington AVE. The project endeavors to "cluster" soft goods/fashion retail and can contain a total of 12-18 independent stores on one hard corner in the Garment District, versus spreading new retailers across St. Louis's downtown. This is an urban "power center" for new retail in a burgeoning residential and business district (over 110,000 office workers/residents/visitors to downtown each day; over 800,000 visitors to nearby City Museum each year).
Trivers' design is reminescent of the historic Washington AVE Garment District and includes an undulating ribbon and perforated metal "fins" or banners mimicking the silhouettes of mannequins. 200 dedicated parking spaces nearby.
FOR LEASE
Contact: Bryan King, King Realty Advisors 314-566-0192
Garment District Building @ 1400 Washington AVE in St. Louis, MO 63103
Architecture & Design: Trivers http://www.trivers.com
Program: 22,000 RSF per floor office over retail; building height is scaleble (office floors can be added) depending on anchor tenant's need(s). Ground floor retail blended-rate offers 2-story/mezzanine retail (mezzanine space is offered free-of-charge) for less cost on Washington AVE. The project endeavors to "cluster" soft goods/fashion retail and can contain a total of 12-18 independent stores on one hard corner in the Garment District, versus spreading new retailers across St. Louis's downtown. This is an urban "power center" for new retail in a burgeoning residential and business district (over 110,000 office workers/residents/visitors to downtown each day; over 800,000 visitors to nearby City Museum each year).
Trivers' design is reminescent of the historic Washington AVE Garment District and includes an undulating ribbon and perforated metal "fins" or banners mimicking the silhouettes of mannequins. 200 dedicated parking spaces nearby.
FOR LEASE
Contact: Bryan King, King Realty Advisors 314-566-0192
That's an ugly building! Unless it has some cool lighting at night.
The fin designs inside the ribbons are kinda cool...And a lighting effect would be really cool...I really like the concept too...You have to believe that a concentration of unique shopping options with available parking could work...I know we already have established upscale shopping nodes, but there is a lot of momentum and buzz around Washington Ave and quite a few people who head down here already...Downtown is not unfamiliar to many in the metro area...The key IMO will be creating not only something desirable but something unique...Downtown offereing only the same stores that can be found in Chesterfield and Richmond Heights would be kinda silly...And a failure...It's been proven...
I still want an CBD urban Target!! Not only would residents and visitors shop there, but the same Downtown workers who pick up a bottle of wine and Hamburger Helper at the Culinaria would likely venture in to Target do some shopping before getting on the road as well...
And this needs a thread...
I still want an CBD urban Target!! Not only would residents and visitors shop there, but the same Downtown workers who pick up a bottle of wine and Hamburger Helper at the Culinaria would likely venture in to Target do some shopping before getting on the road as well...
And this needs a thread...
Good looking building, IMO. Let's hope for a couple more floors, though.
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I like it, but I also wish is was taller. Hopefully, they can get it started and filled up! I loved the skyhouse, but we have plenty of lots downtown that could have towers built...
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3 stories would be disappointing. I would like to see a mixed use development with residences, business, corporate headquarters, and hotel with no less than 12 stories. This is a high profile corner.
^ word up. Could this be mandated by our zoning/building commission? I think there should be a minimum height requirement for corner buildings or high-profile streets/lots.
This isn't Olivette; 2 stories is so weak.
This isn't Olivette; 2 stories is so weak.
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In general, I agree, but let's look at the 16 nearest buildings on Wash Ave. Their story counts are:
1, 2, 2, 2, 1, 7, 2, 8, 3, 3, 5, 10, 3, 3, 3, 7
An average of basically 4 stories. Taller is better if there's demand, but any 3-4 story infill downtown is going to have a big impact. I'd much rather see the vacant lots and surface parking disappear under a dozen shorter projects than than have a couple 20-story towers.
1, 2, 2, 2, 1, 7, 2, 8, 3, 3, 5, 10, 3, 3, 3, 7
An average of basically 4 stories. Taller is better if there's demand, but any 3-4 story infill downtown is going to have a big impact. I'd much rather see the vacant lots and surface parking disappear under a dozen shorter projects than than have a couple 20-story towers.
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When I read this I immediately thought of Kellwood. Wouldn't it be great to have our regions biggest clothing company back in the garment distict?22,000 RSF per floor office over retail; building height is scaleble (office floors can be added) depending on anchor tenant's need(s)
I also thought of Kellwood, but their current corporate headquarters, which they own, is nearly 74,000 square feet. If looks like this new building is going to be 66,000. I'd imagine if they were moving they'd also want to expand their space.moorlander wrote:When I read this I immediately thought of Kellwood. Wouldn't it be great to have our regions biggest clothing company back in the garment distict?22,000 RSF per floor office over retail; building height is scaleble (office floors can be added) depending on anchor tenant's need(s)
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^ the project is scalable depending on demand - it could be 3 stories, or 6 or 8 or...
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That should happen...How creative industries ever survive in the self-admitted relatively boring and cookie cutter suburbs is beyond me...
That should happen...How creative industries ever survive in the self-admitted relatively boring and cookie cutter suburbs is beyond me...
This would be a great location for Kellwood or any other business, but I hate to see the New Life Evangelical Homeless Shelter looming right behind it. If I were a COO looking for a new location to replace a sheltered suburban campus, setting up shop next to DT's biggest homeless shelter would seem a bit extreme.
I love it actually. Very modern. Very edgy and could be a catalyst for the area. I love old and new mixed together - and that is defiantely Washington Avenue!
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Yep, nice looking.framer wrote:Good looking building, IMO. Let's hope for a couple more floors, though.
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Yes more floors. I dont think it unreasonable for want and demand a cutting edge mixed use building at 11 stories. 1 retail, 5 residential, and 5 for businesses. I think Washington Ave can absorb it.
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^I'm sorry, but I don't quite understand "demand."
Want, sure, but you are going to have to explain the demand part to me.
Short of showing up with 5 floors of buyers with deposit in hand, how exactly do you expect to demand?
(Don't get me wrong, I agree that what you have proposed is the preferable scenario. Just not sure where you are going with this.)
Want, sure, but you are going to have to explain the demand part to me.
Short of showing up with 5 floors of buyers with deposit in hand, how exactly do you expect to demand?
(Don't get me wrong, I agree that what you have proposed is the preferable scenario. Just not sure where you are going with this.)
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Sorry should have clarified myself. Demand as in rentals not condos. The rental market is very strong these days.
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^So you are proposing changing the zoning of the site to make what is currently proposed un-buildable?
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Well since you seem to know so much about the zoning why do you enlighten me. Previously a residential tower and now businesses are proposed so I was assuming that it can be zoned as mixed use to encompass both. I feel that is the best and most practical use for the site.
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Once again, I agree with you that what you have stated would be the best use of the site. And the site is very likely zoned for such a proposal. It is also likely zoned to permit what is currently proposed. So if you are going to "demand" something other than what is currently on the table, you would be effectively saying we need to change the current zoning to prohibit anything that isn't at least 10 stories with a residential component, no?
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I am sorry. I meant demand for residential since the market is strong right now for rental units. Might be a good time to take advantage of it.