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PostNov 09, 2006#26

bpe235 wrote:I can't decide what's worse:



1. Farty - forty?

2. Mizzourah - Missouri?

3. Warshington - Washington?



I AM VERY VERY PROUD TO BE FROM ST. LOUIS!

I also always tell people "i'm from st. louis", never "i'm from missouri."


You know, I have been reading through this discussion thinking. "This is so silly. I've lived my whole life in St. Louis, and I don't say farty--I say forty." But then I was reading the article that Jive linked, and realize I say 'cot' and 'caught' differently. In other words, my 'cot' sounds like our 'farty'! :o
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PostNov 09, 2006#27

james wrote:
tbspqr wrote:People from Brooklyn, Boston and Texas are proud of where they are from. I am :wink: NOT proud to be from Missouri... I live in rolla and when people as I say I live in St. Louis, go to school in Rolla...
I can sympathize with you about Rolla. I'm a UMR alumni and spent many of my prime years in Rolla. :cry:



But seriously why not be proud of St. Louis? Surely the region has it's faults, but we have a proud history and the phoenix of St. Louis is beginning to rise from the ashes of the last few decades.



If were not proud of St. Louis who will be?


I am not proud to be from missouri (the Matt Blunt Missouri anyway) but I am VERY proud to be associated with STL... I talk to my friends who live in Fl or Cali or NY and have never been to the STL region ... I talk it up... but if anyone asks where I am from -- its St.Louis "you know where the world champion Cardinals are from"... NEVER am I from Missouri.



I wish STL and KC (possible the I-70 cooridor) could just create a new state... a state of progress and forward thinking... not of bible thumping and "remember when" thinking (that is most of outstate missouri)
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PostNov 10, 2006#28

JivecitySTL wrote: The most remarkable of these is a merger of /ahr/ and /ohr/ in card and cord, usually at the level of the mid vowel. This merger appears to be waning among younger speakers, and the vowel system seems to be shifting even more in the direction of the Inland North. [/b]




I think this is hilarious. When i was in school in Colorado I worked at an ice rink, and the concession stand girls loved it when I said "hot dog" or ice cream "cone". apparently the thought i was "big city" like Chicago or boston. I also do the same thing with words like "office." I'm only 26, so I don't think its dead yet.



On a side, I met some Irish at a bar in Nashville (long story). They were talking about how they had been all over, and said our accents were "very distinct" much to my suprise.
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PostNov 13, 2006#29

I would prefer giving it a name, not a number. That's just my opinion. The issue with metro easters , is that we never had a highway 40. We always had an interstate 64, and when we drive to work or play in STL or Clayton, we stay on the same freeway most of the way. To call it 64 one second, and then 40 the next, is just too confusing.



My issue with using 40 is that it #1, appears like people in STL were unable to accept change- the conversion of 40 to a National Interstate- and the other is regionalism, leaving the Metro East out of the game, and confusing the hell out of them. This whole, "the Metro East is like another country" garbage, is annoying. We obviously can't call our portion "Highway 40," because it never was, and it goes all the way to Virginia, as I-64. Some on the East Side may want to, but... no, actually, I can't think of many who would want to.



The point is...



I don't know, but there are a few things about St. Louis that sometimes appear small-townish, and most of them are just Missouri things. The , "what high school did you go to?," and , " The Highway 40" issue, are the biggest trademarks, neither of which I was ever a part of, being that I'm from the Metro East Badlands. Sure, I'll attempt to play along, but it all kind of ends when people give me the confused , " I never heard of your school," look.



Illinois is included in some of STL culture, ok, don't get me wrong. Quite a few people, especially in parts of western Fairview Heights, and Caseyville, for whatever reason, have really strong St Louis accents. Most people call "expressways," "highways, " like many St Louisans. I don't. I call them "freeways." Most people don't honk their car horns, because it's considered rude. However, I do, because I can't stand grandma drivers.



Anyway, I agree with Jive on so many things; liberalism, socialism, multiculturalism, gritism, photography , and all that great stuff, but this is one of those rarities when I disagree, only because I feel like an outsider... unwilling to play along with the whole farty thing. :cry: Feel sorry for me folks. Feel sorry. Look at me, Im swimming in tears here. Check it out. Just look... seriously... swimming in my tears.
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PostNov 13, 2006#30

^^I think that once it is closed for 3 1/2 years (which we HOPEFULLY will find out this Friday) ... people will start to call it by I-64 all the way from where it meets I-70 in Wentzville to (what ever its terminus is) in Virginia... instead of the segmented references you mentioned, Xing....



I guess everyone else on this forum is an urbanist... I love urban environments and am absolutely in love with STL... but I love everything about a modern healthy metropolitan area from the dense urban to exurban and semi-rural to rural outlier areas (such as Pacific and Union and even where I live in Rolla). I think the targeted member of this forum is against most things in highway transportation…Example… the Katy Highway going west out of Houston that is proposed to be expanded to 20 lanes... I would assume most in here would see that as horrible and obnoxious... I see it as amazing, wondrous and amazing...



I guess my posts in here at the beginning of this discussion when talking about 255 and 370 and 364 are falling mainly on people who don’t share the same thinking / passion as me... for one reason or another.



To me calling something an interstate is awesome and shows a lot about the area (or for that matter being a true interstate though not called by name (“40” is an interstate by title, not by name or by current design standards)), and the number of interstates (to an extent) is one judge of a city... It’s like skyline - it isn't the ONLY judge – nor is the judging absolute- but having a cool skyline is a MAJOR benefit/consequence of having a cool city... So too – a city with 7 interstates isn’t usually as "major" a city as one with 9 interstates. And the relationship to those highways can be a major factor to progress of those cities. Chicago and LA and NYC have a lot of highways (NYC has 'expressways' or 'turnpikes' etc everywhere on LI, Westchester/CT and in NJ from my experience)



The possible expansion/redesignation of interstates is happening on both sides of the river… 364, 370 on MO and 255 and new outer belt in IL – as well as US route 50 being built in the 80s to ½ interstate standards on a large portion from Lebanon to Carlyle, the discussion of extending I -24 from Carbondale and possible expansion of US 67 from Alton into I-555.. if these were to take place… I think it would be much better for the region…(as far as highway transportation goes) (I also think extending I-170 south to I-44 would have been smart but that will never happen) I think this would all be great – but obviously right now there isn’t the population in a lot of these expansion zones to justify them as well as the fact that these expansions would almost certainly come at the expense of Metrolink – which I am also very much for but not talking about because this is about 40 / 64 / calling interstates / non interstates things….. I dunno – I could go on for hours but I will save all you – I just wanted to get that off my chest – and I appreciate anyone who read it for taking the time … for what little that rant was worth…
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PostNov 14, 2006#31

tbspqr:



Wow! I'm in complete agreement with every single word of your lengthy post/rant.[/u]
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PostNov 30, 2006#32

Here is an example that vexes me:

in talking about the location of the Cityplace development in Creve Coeur
The campus is minutes from I-40, I-70 and the Page extension, Highway 364.
this is amazing considering that the closest I-40 comes to the campus is around 275 miles (Memphis, TN) Another thing that i loathe is the picture on their "about" page... it shows a picture of the St. Louis Arch/old court house.... as best as I can tell from their website - THEY ONLY WORK IN CREVE COEUR.... I dunno - things like this just irk the heck out of me....

links

picture: http://www.komangroup.com/about/default.asp

quote: http://www.komangroup.com/advantages/default.asp



Secondary and tertiary thoughts... my parents live in Creve Coeur, and as long as developments like this continue to be built... it can’t really hurt their property value (as inflated as Creve Coeur property values already are) ... so I am not totally against this development... just 11 story buildings outside of Clayton and STL-CBD etc... not warranted nor needed… Their “latest” newsletter is from April – announcing the opening day at the new ball park… and the daylight savings time spring forward … they REALLY need to update that... The worst was the "I-40" thing - just got my britches tangled into something awful, and I thought I would make it into another rant...
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