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PostFeb 08, 2009#11

ciduadnax wrote:This is NOT a good location. I am sure all those who eat there do not care, but those of us who live in the area are very upset that our parking to our own homes is now filled with customers. It is very rude. The owners of Shasha's apparently gave us no consideration and seem to be making no attempts to remedy this situation. I was told by the manager those buildings north of Shasha's are to be torn down for parking. Now it appears that was just a lie, seeing how it would be silly to be doing construction on something you are about to tear down. I am very offended by peoples lack of regard when parking in front of my home. I live here and I can not even park in front of my own house! Obviously talking to the owners did nothing, so we must as a community go further up the line.


Yes, please immediately do whatever you can to move a neighborhood business away! This is not what an urban community needs!



Geez. I would love to have to park a block away because I lived next to restaurants and/or retail.
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PostFeb 08, 2009#12

JuiceInDogtown wrote:
Yes, please immediately do whatever you can to move a neighborhood business away! This is not what an urban community needs!



Geez. I would love to have to park a block away because I lived next to restaurants and/or retail.


You know, Juice, they should build a place...



A place where retail, restaurants, and businesses are kept in separate areas from residential. We'll call them separate pods, even. Heck, we can get legislation involved, and make them into different zones so they never mingle.



Then we can put in ample parking around all restaurants, and keep those dirty customers and "other" types out of our neighborhoods by putting gates up.



I should buy some land somewhere outside of the city and get right on this.







In all seriousness - most of us in the city deal with this from time to time. I liken it to some of the benefits of living in a city. So I walk 2 blocks to my place sometimes? No big deal. I'd rather have the benefits of stuff close to me. YMMV.
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PostFeb 08, 2009#13

You missed the best part of that post, you two! ^



Those two, unattractive, non-reusable mixed use commercial structures have been heartlessly allowed to remain, undemolished.



How much better surface parking would have been! So, so sad!
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PostFeb 09, 2009#14

ciduadnax wrote:This is NOT a good location. I am sure all those who eat there do not care, but those of us who live in the area are very upset that our parking to our own homes is now filled with customers. It is very rude. The owners of Shasha's apparently gave us no consideration and seem to be making no attempts to remedy this situation. I was told by the manager those buildings north of Shasha's are to be torn down for parking. Now it appears that was just a lie, seeing how it would be silly to be doing construction on something you are about to tear down. I am very offended by peoples lack of regard when parking in front of my home. I live here and I can not even park in front of my own house! Obviously talking to the owners did nothing, so we must as a community go further up the line.


There's a special place in hell for people like you. It's called St. Charles County.
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PostFeb 09, 2009#15

Matt Drops The H wrote:You missed the best part of that post, you two! ^



Those two, unattractive, non-reusable mixed use commercial structures have been heartlessly allowed to remain, undemolished.



How much better surface parking would have been! So, so sad!


We can only hope such future exists. Maybe the cement could crack and some weeds can grow 3 feet out of the ground. That would be so gritty and urban!
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PostFeb 09, 2009#16

Businesses are good for a neighborhood. It's nice to see mom-and-pop places appear in neighborhoods. I'm glad the Hill residents aren't so snotty about their parking.
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PostFeb 09, 2009#17

^ Holy sh*t. Nice work folks. You saved me the time it would take to come up with my own pithy response.
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PostFeb 09, 2009#18

If you have street parking you do not own nor are you entitled to a spot in front of your house. Sorry if your real estate agent or landlord did not specify that for you.



I used to live on Shaw a few blocks west across from the Botanical Gardens and lack of street parking when the weather was nice or there was a special event at MoBot was a given. I did have an off street parking spot, but even if I didn't I still would have chosen the same place to live and would have dealt with the parking situation on days when things were lively there.
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PostFeb 09, 2009#19

Enough people have weighed in here with the majority opinion, but I'd just like to say that if what Sasha's has created can be considered a problem, it's a good problem IMHO. Ciudadnax, you could always trade places with me, and I could show you some real problems since I live next door to what could best be described as a nuisance property. It wasn't that way when I moved in here four years ago, and attempts to fix it have been slow going to say the least. Let's just say I'd take the restaurant and whatever "problems" it brings any day over what I've got now.
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PostFeb 09, 2009#20

JMStokes wrote:
JuiceInDogtown wrote:
Yes, please immediately do whatever you can to move a neighborhood business away! This is not what an urban community needs!



Geez. I would love to have to park a block away because I lived next to restaurants and/or retail.


You know, Juice, they should build a place...



A place where retail, restaurants, and businesses are kept in separate areas from residential. We'll call them separate pods, even. Heck, we can get legislation involved, and make them into different zones so they never mingle.



Then we can put in ample parking around all restaurants, and keep those dirty customers and "other" types out of our neighborhoods by putting gates up.



I should buy some land somewhere outside of the city and get right on this.







In all seriousness - most of us in the city deal with this from time to time. I liken it to some of the benefits of living in a city. So I walk 2 blocks to my place sometimes? No big deal. I'd rather have the benefits of stuff close to me. YMMV.


Easily the best post in this thread. I do sympathize with parking issues, but the good clearly outweighs the bad and not just for the city as a whole. Sometimes people just live in the wrong place. I've mentioned it before, but in my hometown a dirt sprint car track (racing 5 nights a week for 50 years) was closed permanently because the residents of a new nearby subdivision didn't like the lights and noise!! I understand Shaw's moved in afterward for this resident, but living in the city is like that - now just move and let someone who would value being a very short walk to a fantastic wine bar move in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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PostFeb 10, 2009#21

If you live next to a commercial building, even one that is vacant and boarded up, don't be surprised if a business moves in some day. One of Shaw's biggest problems is a lack of businesses. For whatever reason, I have heard a lot of people in the neighborhood voice similar concerns. I guess that explains why businesses are slow to move in. Smart.
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PostFeb 10, 2009#22

Conurbation wrote:If you live next to a commercial building, even one that is vacant and boarded up, don't be surprised if a business moves in some day. One of Shaw's biggest problems is a lack of businesses. For whatever reason, I have heard a lot of people in the neighborhood voice similar concerns. I guess that explains why businesses are slow to move in. Smart.


It's too bad so many corner retail buildings in Shaw were torn down - lots of pointless corner parks in the neighborhood now.
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PostFeb 10, 2009#23

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Conurbation wrote:If you live next to a commercial building, even one that is vacant and boarded up, don't be surprised if a business moves in some day. One of Shaw's biggest problems is a lack of businesses. For whatever reason, I have heard a lot of people in the neighborhood voice similar concerns. I guess that explains why businesses are slow to move in. Smart.


It's too bad so many corner retail buildings in Shaw were torn down - lots of pointless corner parks in the neighborhood now.


Seems as though many residents would disagree. Not only has the physical infrastructure of the city changed over the past 100 years, city residents have changed as well. I think there will have to be some compromises regarding new businesses, i.e. every old storefront may not be a good location for a new storefront. That said, there are 1,000's of old storefronts across our fair city and the problem is not too FEW businesses.
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PostFeb 11, 2009#24

Maybe the fact that Shaw is so close to the South Grand business area has caused some residents to think retail and restaurants aren't needed within the neighborhood. I don't know, when I lived there and would opine that it would be great to have a few more businesses in the neighborhood not many thought it was too necessary.



there is one coffee shop/restaurant (can't remember it's latest incarnation nor it's name) on Thurman. Other than that the only businesses within Shaw are a couple of "convenience" stores, a flower shop and hair salon.
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PostFeb 11, 2009#25

In my neighborhood of the Ivory triangle in Carondelete we have seen a preponderance of new businesses open over the last year and a half. This has led to problems with street parking especially during performances at the Ivory Theater or a popular band playing at the Riverside Cafe. However I will gladly put up with having to park the extra block away from my house on the weekends just to see the rebirth of the area and increasing real estate values. It’s one of the reasons I choose to live in the city, much better than the alternative.
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PostFeb 12, 2009#26

The place is great but the smoke was too much. When there's that much smoking a 'wine bar' becomes just a 'bar.'
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PostFeb 13, 2009#27

I haven't been there yet, but I am a bit surprised they allow smoking. So many of the new places popping up around town have cut out smoking. I guess you don't have to worry about alienating existing customers if you do it from the start. A wine bar seems like a goof "no smoking" candidate.
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PostFeb 13, 2009#28

Grover wrote:Seems as though many residents would disagree. Not only has the physical infrastructure of the city changed over the past 100 years, city residents have changed as well. I think there will have to be some compromises regarding new businesses, i.e. every old storefront may not be a good location for a new storefront. That said, there are 1,000's of old storefronts across our fair city and the problem is not too FEW businesses.


I don't know, I can see how tearing down commercial buildings might have seemed like a good idea at the time, but 39th Street was just decimated by the demolitions. Having a small commercial district there would probably be a great asset to the neighborhood right now.
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PostFeb 13, 2009#29

DeBaliviere wrote:I don't know, I can see how tearing down commercial buildings might have seemed like a good idea at the time, but 39th Street was just decimated by the demolitions. Having a small commercial district there would probably be a great asset to the neighborhood right now.


I hate what happened to 39th Street, because it could be so much more. Hopefully as rehabs in Shaw continue and the economy improves some of these places will be ripe for quality infill construction. I'd love to see some new storefronts with living space above even though I know there's no dearth of vacant or converted storefronts in other parts of the neighborhood and city, just because I'd love to see 39th Street become the Main Street of that area again someday.

PostFeb 13, 2009#30

63104mom wrote:The place is great but the smoke was too much. When there's that much smoking a 'wine bar' becomes just a 'bar.'


That's disappointing. Perhaps I'll wait until the weather is nice and choose outdoor seating instead.
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PostFeb 13, 2009#31

I stopped in to check Sasha's out Wednesday around 5. The place looked great.



Re 39th St it's a tiny step but SweetArts was unexpectedly nice. I'll definitely go back.



http://sweetartstl.com/
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PostFeb 13, 2009#32

Conurbation wrote:I haven't been there yet, but I am a bit surprised they allow smoking. So many of the new places popping up around town have cut out smoking. I guess you don't have to worry about alienating existing customers if you do it from the start. A wine bar seems like a goof "no smoking" candidate.


When I was there last night, the smoke wasn't nearly coming so much from cigarette smokers as it was from the fireplace by the bar.



The grilled veggie pizza was good, though.
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PostFeb 14, 2009#33

Can we get back to why this place should be shut down?
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PostFeb 16, 2009#34

I was told by the manager those buildings north of Shasha's are to be torn down for parking.


yes, let's turn this neighborhood into something along the lines of Chesterfield Valley, PLENTY of parking.. barf.

and yes, while it can be irritating if you are not able to park directly in front of your house, you do not OWN those spaces. It is a public street. lack of parking is a good problem to have. most vibrant cities have this issue..
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PostFeb 16, 2009#35

Had lunch and some wine after the Love-In on Saturday. Pretty awsome set-up, seemed much bigger than the other one. Split in to two sections, one smoking one not. Pizza was good, also had the greens salad which was great. Will def be back.
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