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PostMay 04, 2009#276

yes, and he says that is the decision of the firm, not him.



so what i was getting at was, if the building was much more "useful" as he calls it, then he would be much more involved in getting it saved. this one, he is keeping quiet.

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PostMay 05, 2009#277

So is it no longer useful as a hotel? Unsuitable for senior housing? That would be news to more than a few people.

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PostMay 05, 2009#278

Here's the link to the KSDK cover story:



http://www.ksdk.com/video/default.aspx?aid=99019



My favorite quote, from Dan Jay (on the notion of a parking lot):



"We really want to keep this vision of a campus here that is kinder to the neighborhood, that is more of an urban feature," said Jay, "an urban institution that we can all be proud of."

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PostMay 05, 2009#279

QUICK - let's list all the parking lots that we're proud of . . . . idiot.

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PostMay 05, 2009#280

So it said in the segment that they have yet to apply for a demo permit. It there a chance that the demo will no be approved by the city?

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PostMay 06, 2009#281

^Because the San Luis is situated in the Central West End Historic District, it is required to undergo review by the city's Preservation Board if any alterations or demolitions are pursued. As a result, it is VERY possible that the demo permit will be denied. If that happens, the archdiocese can appeal the decision and go through a subsequent process. With enough legal muscle, they can probably circumvent most obstacles.



This is why it is so important for as many people as possible to testify against this proposal at the Preservation Board meeting once the building is put on the docket (could be months and months before that happens). The more outcry, the harder it will be for them to obtain a permit.



The facts are:



--The San Luis is eligible for the National Register of Historic Places, which means that its developer-- be it the archdiocese or someone else-- would be entitled to up to 45% of the redevelopment costs. The building can be rehabbed very affordably. Period.



--The San Luis was built to be a hotel, so its floorplan is perfectly suited to such use. So nobody can say "the rooms are too small" blah blah blah. It's perfect for a hotel. So the rooms are small, charge less for them. People will stay there because of its incredible location. There are creative ways to make use of a building like that. All it takes is vision.



--Unless the San Luis is preserved, we can look forward (or should I say backward) to seeing a gigantic surface parking lot at the corner of Lindell & Taylor. 'Nuff said.

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PostMay 06, 2009#282

^ +1

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PostMay 14, 2009#283

Terrific commentary piece by the Vines boys in the West End Word this week (sorry, no link yet).



Great work, guys.

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PostMay 15, 2009#284

Thanks Framer! Hopefully the article will help to keep the building in the forefront.

PostMay 22, 2009#285

Here's the article from the West End Word:



http://www.westendword.com/NC/0/1092.html

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PostMay 22, 2009#286

STLgasm wrote:Here's the article from the West End Word:



http://www.westendword.com/NC/0/1092.html


Well done. 8)

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PostJun 09, 2009#287

Preservation Board will hear this June the 22nd. Everyone needs to testify against demolition!

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PostJun 10, 2009#288

Do they have any power over this, or is it just a formality?

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PostJun 10, 2009#289

Yet another reason to save the San Luis: http://stlurbanworkshop.blogspot.com/20 ... ocket.html

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PostJun 10, 2009#290

It is imperative that we flood the preservation meeting with loud voices apposing this mistake-in-the-making, for all the reasons expressed here.

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PostJun 10, 2009#291

Framer wrote:Do they have any power over this, or is it just a formality?


There are ways around the Preservation Board, but as for now demolition can't occur unless they write off on it. This building exists within the local CWE Historic District.

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PostJun 15, 2009#292

Anyone and everyone who cares about the city must email the Preservation Board, Lyda Krewson and the Archdiocese TODAY. We have ONE WEEK to prevent a massive parking lot from decimating one of the most dramatic streetscapes in the city.



Please visit http://www.noparkinglotonlindell.com



If you do not have time to put it in your own words, there is a sample letter available for you. Just sign your name and hit "send."



This matter is much bigger than one building-- it's a pivotal moment in our city. Do we want an urban future for St. Louis, or will we continue to pave our way to second-rate status?



Please take 5 minutes and send these emails. Your voice MATTERS.




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PostJun 16, 2009#293

Here's the response I received from Vernon Gardin. Be warned, the last paragraph is infuriating (emphasis added to highlight stupidity):


As someone who has grown up in the city and still works here I share your love of St. Louis and its architecture. I have similar concerns about the loss of our rich building heritage that has occurred in the urban environment. Please know that I appreciate your concern and your love for the Central West End neighborhood.



The decision of the Archdiocese to put parking spaces in place of the San Luis apartments was not done arbitrarily; sensitivity to the impact on the neighborhood was a criterion in the decision-making process. The final decision was reached after literally several years of studying alternatives. Studies showed that restoration of the building is highly cost-prohibitive. Both Rosati-Kain high school and the Cathedral Basilica need more parking. Relieving the strained parking situation during events is a service to visitors and to the high school students; more parking on our property also helps to relieve the pressure on residents who need street parking.



The concept of urban density is a vital one in city living, but it cannot be a “one-size-fits-all” concept. There has to be a balance between preservation and the ongoing needs of the residents who daily contribute to the life of an urban neighborhood, thereby making it the attractive place that it is. The Cathedral Basilica has been a key factor in holding the neighborhood together over the years—especially before the re-vitalization that began in the late 1970’s. Its real-life needs should be considered. Similarly, Rosati-Kain high school has chosen to stay in the city; it needs more parking in order to expand its facility and continue as a competitive choice for students.



The architectural significance of the San Luis apartments has, to my knowledge, never been documented in any textbook or similar resource. We believe that the design for the parking area will improve the space by making it much more “green-friendly” than it is now. It will not be the usual caricature of black asphalt in place of a building. Our representative for the project, Mr. Dan Jay, can show how the plans will greatly benefit the neighborhood. Mr. Jay is a resident of the Central West End and can be reached at his firm, Christner, 7711 Bonhomme Avenue, St. Louis, Missouri, 63105.




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PostJun 16, 2009#294

Sounds like a parking lot is a done deal?



Msgr. Vernon Gardin:
As someone who has grown up in the city and still works here I share your love of St. Louis and its architecture. I have similar concerns about the loss of our rich building heritage that has occurred in the urban environment. Please know that I appreciate your concern and your love for the Central West End neighborhood.





The decision of the Archdiocese to put parking spaces in place of the San Luis apartments was not done arbitrarily; sensitivity to the impact on the neighborhood was a criterion in the decision-making process. The final decision was reached after literally several years of studying alternatives. Studies showed that restoration of the building is highly cost-prohibitive. Both Rosati-Kain high school and the Cathedral Basilica need more parking. Relieving the strained parking situation during events is a service to visitors and to the high school students; more parking on our property also helps to relieve the pressure on residents who need street parking.





The concept of urban density is a vital one in city living, but it cannot be a “one-size-fits-all” concept. There has to be a balance between preservation and the ongoing needs of the residents who daily contribute to the life of an urban neighborhood, thereby making it the attractive place that it is. The Cathedral Basilica has been a key factor in holding the neighborhood together over the years—especially before the re-vitalization that began in the late 1970’s. Its real-life needs should be considered. Similarly, Rosati-Kain high school has chosen to stay in the city; it needs more parking in order to expand its facility and continue as a competitive choice for students.





The architectural significance of the San Luis apartments has, to my knowledge, never been documented in any textbook or similar resource. We believe that the design for the parking area will improve the space by making it much more “green-friendly” than it is now. It will not be the usual caricature of black asphalt in place of a building. Our representative for the project, Mr. Dan Jay, can show how the plans will greatly benefit the neighborhood. Mr. Jay is a resident of the Central West End and can be reached at his firm, Christner, 7711 Bonhomme Avenue, St. Louis, Missouri, 63105.


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PostJun 17, 2009#295

It's not a done deal!



Testify at the meeting!



Why are you accepting defeat? We've been working on this for more than a year. We believe in the potential of this building!



MCM Hotels are being rehabbed across the country -- and are quite popular.



Check out these two fantastic ones in LA!



The Louisiana AIA Board of Directors sent a great letter to the Preservation Board, stressing the logic and necessity of preservation and reuse.

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PostJun 17, 2009#296

In order to save the City, we must completely destroy it!

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PostJun 22, 2009#297

TODAY is the day when the Preservation Review Board will hear our pleas to deny a demolition permit for the San Luis!



IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT ANYONE WHO IS ABLE TO WILL TURN OUT TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS STUPIDITY. Please, please, please make every effort possible to attend this meeting at 4:00 sharp (arrive early to sign up to speak). This is it, folks. The integrity of Lindell Blvd. hangs in the balance.



Meanwhile, KWMU has a new story about it: http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/kwmu/ ... f.San.Luis

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PostJun 23, 2009#299

--4 Archdiocese-affiliated parking lot proponents testify about how a parking lot at the corner of Lindell & Taylor is "the only option."



--25 anti-parking lot neighbors, architects, students, teachers, researchers and industry professionals testify in defiance of various aspects of that flawed argument and suggest solutions, compromises, alternatives and at least dialogue.



--Out-of-town developer with a proven track record announces his interest in renovating the building.



--VP of the Central West End Association offers a thoughtful and assertive argument against a parking lot.



--Ald. Krewson disappoints her only constituents who cared deeply enough to attend this meeting by selling out and justifying the case for a parking lot set forth by the Archdiocese. This was the biggest betrayal of the night.



--Testimony lasts a whopping 6 hours due to the overwhelming opposition to surface parking and determined appreciation for the San Luis.



--Preservation Board approves request for demolition.



And we wonder why St. Louis has a reputation of being backwards. This is a loss for the entire city. It's getting harder and harder to defend this place from naysayers. It's a city staunchly committed to mediocrity and status quo business-as-usual. How terribly depressing for all of us who strive to create something better for the future generations of St. Louisans.



I am expecting my first child (son) in August, and unfortunately by the time he's able to appreciate it, it will be very difficult for me to convince him that St. Louis was once a great city. The evidence of that legacy is growing more distant with each passing day.

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PostJun 23, 2009#300

but, but, this parking lot will be green friendly!



it's asphalt, designed to hold 2000+ lb vehicles that transport 1 person by burning ancient biomass.



you (*%*&#@( retard, that's not green.

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