Off!
Ill be there.
Ill be there.
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I just got off the phone with the West End Word, and Kara Krekeler (who covered the other group's meeting) will be there! Let's make it good!
Good work Jive, that covers the publicity. Who else is coming. Even if you don't want to gather signatures personally, your presence and contributuion to our plans couldn't hurt. There had been some talk of doing a forum meet to do something to help the city out, well here is that meet.
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I am not 100% sure I will be able to make, but I should be there.
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I propose we all send our opinions to their website ....
stlouiscitizens.org
Its about time that these people learn that their self appointed crusade does not have universal support.
This reminds me of when the local yocals ranted against metrolink comming to st. charles .... don't let them win this one .
stlouiscitizens.org
Its about time that these people learn that their self appointed crusade does not have universal support.
This reminds me of when the local yocals ranted against metrolink comming to st. charles .... don't let them win this one .
somebody should contact the "rehabber's club" or metropolis regarding this petition. I would assume that they would be of like mind.
markofucity wrote:I propose we all send our opinions to their website ....
stlouiscitizens.org
Its about time that these people learn that their self appointed crusade does not have universal support.
This reminds me of when the local yocals ranted against metrolink comming to st. charles .... don't let them win this one .
Done!
Despite the obivous side of the fence that I stand on here, isn't it a wonderful thing that so many people care about the future of this neighborhood? There are competing views on what is best for it, but I think it is a very positive thing that so many people feel invested in the CWE. Of course, there should be more residents living there in highrises who can care too. 
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I can't make it...have to go to Edwardsville.
Just keep in mind that the name of our new group shouldn't be so close to thiers. That may cause some confusion as to which group supports what, etc. Between Citizens for Responsible Development and Responsible Citizens for development I would see some confusion pop up. I like the ones that metion urbanity, and responsibility. That kind of sums up what we're all about.
Just keep in mind that the name of our new group shouldn't be so close to thiers. That may cause some confusion as to which group supports what, etc. Between Citizens for Responsible Development and Responsible Citizens for development I would see some confusion pop up. I like the ones that metion urbanity, and responsibility. That kind of sums up what we're all about.
How about 'Taxpayers for New Taxpayers' or 'TNT'? (maybe not 
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But they should be reminded that adding new taxpayers benefits a city that is trying to rebuild, repopulate, improve schools, support the arts, support city retailers, etc.
)But they should be reminded that adding new taxpayers benefits a city that is trying to rebuild, repopulate, improve schools, support the arts, support city retailers, etc.
Ok - so someone give me the lowdown again..> WHERE WHEN ETC...
Who will be the organization spokesperson that day?
Who will be the organization spokesperson that day?
Matguy, I think Jive is probably the spokes person, and should be since he does live in the CWE. It makes sense to have a resident at the head of this thing. Sounds like the meeting is 1 on sunday? check back earlier in this post it says.
I love the TNT name. What do people love more than the idea of sharing the tax burden and maybe even the prospect of reduced taxes.
SUAL is good too, but the acranym is a bit ghoolish. I don't think you want people to fear you... or maybe you do?
I love the TNT name. What do people love more than the idea of sharing the tax burden and maybe even the prospect of reduced taxes.
SUAL is good too, but the acranym is a bit ghoolish. I don't think you want people to fear you... or maybe you do?
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WHEN: Sunday, February 26, 1:00pm
WHERE: The Grind Coffeehouse, 56 Maryland Plaza in CWE
WHAT: We will draw up a plan of action to support the controversial tower at Lindell & Euclid (i.e. petitions, etc).
WHO: Anyone who believes that the fundamental element of a vibrant city is population density, and anyone who supports the growth of our city's great neighborhoods.
Kara Krekeler, the West End Word writer who has been covering this controversy, will join us for the meeting. I have also been told that Hugo Perez, who owns the Grind, is also a supporter of the new tower.
I would be happy to lead the meeting if no one else cares to. I actually know Kara from previous articles she's written (shameless plug: http://www.westendword.com/moxie/news/s ... irts.shtml).
I think anyone who plans to attend should make a shortlist of talking points and soundbytes. I would like Kara's article to include quotes from as many different people as possible. I want those NIMBY's to know that they do not speak for the whole neighborhood.
WHERE: The Grind Coffeehouse, 56 Maryland Plaza in CWE
WHAT: We will draw up a plan of action to support the controversial tower at Lindell & Euclid (i.e. petitions, etc).
WHO: Anyone who believes that the fundamental element of a vibrant city is population density, and anyone who supports the growth of our city's great neighborhoods.
Kara Krekeler, the West End Word writer who has been covering this controversy, will join us for the meeting. I have also been told that Hugo Perez, who owns the Grind, is also a supporter of the new tower.
I would be happy to lead the meeting if no one else cares to. I actually know Kara from previous articles she's written (shameless plug: http://www.westendword.com/moxie/news/s ... irts.shtml).
I think anyone who plans to attend should make a shortlist of talking points and soundbytes. I would like Kara's article to include quotes from as many different people as possible. I want those NIMBY's to know that they do not speak for the whole neighborhood.
Thanks.
I read the throght the thread... but wanted the final results through all the mis mash.
I will be there.
I read the throght the thread... but wanted the final results through all the mis mash.
I will be there.
In today's Letters to the Editor in the P-D:
Building a constituency
There is a trend to build bigger and bigger high-rise condominiums in St. Louis in predominantly single-family neighborhoods. This is prevalent in the 28th ward in the Central West End, part of a historical district.
I've wondered why aldermen favor these projects in their districts when many residents oppose them. The answer finally dawned on me: When politicians can't gerrymander horizontally, they do it vertically. The high-rise proposed at Euclid and Lindell Boulevard, which would have 28 floors and 200 units, would have a population density 10 times that of nearby single-family houses.
Everyone should submit a letter to the Post-Dispatch to counter this ridiculous rationale.
Building a constituency
There is a trend to build bigger and bigger high-rise condominiums in St. Louis in predominantly single-family neighborhoods. This is prevalent in the 28th ward in the Central West End, part of a historical district.
I've wondered why aldermen favor these projects in their districts when many residents oppose them. The answer finally dawned on me: When politicians can't gerrymander horizontally, they do it vertically. The high-rise proposed at Euclid and Lindell Boulevard, which would have 28 floors and 200 units, would have a population density 10 times that of nearby single-family houses.
Everyone should submit a letter to the Post-Dispatch to counter this ridiculous rationale.
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how is that gerymandering .... its only gerymandering if the politician assumes the residents added would all be for him .. but one must assume that he already has majority support because he was - afterall - elected ....
isn't it more rational to say that the reason most politicians are for such developments is because most residents are as well??? Te mere fact that a few loud people with signs start curculating a petition does NOT mean that they represent the majority of the ward ....
isn't it more rational to say that the reason most politicians are for such developments is because most residents are as well??? Te mere fact that a few loud people with signs start curculating a petition does NOT mean that they represent the majority of the ward ....
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So we've gone from shadows to political favoritism to gerrymandering?
markofucity wrote:how is that gerymandering .... its only gerymandering if the politician assumes the residents added would all be for him .. but one must assume that he already has majority support because he was - afterall - elected ....
isn't it more rational to say that the reason most politicians are for such developments is because most residents are as well??? Te mere fact that a few loud people with signs start curculating a petition does NOT mean that they represent the majority of the ward ....
Exactly - will this development really have a significant impact on the voter demographics of the ward? We're talking about adding 200+ more rich people to an already affluent area.
Wow, with eloquence like that it should not be hard to make Ms. Tepper and her assoicates look like a fools at a public meeting. I am truly dumbfounded.
Though I don't think this pertains to this building, it is a problem that the city faces. I've heard that rehabbing and development in North St. Louis is hard due to some of the aldermen. It seems to me that they are afraid that gentrification will bring in a different demographic and they will lose their power. We should not have the future of our city dependent on people like this. We need to get rid of the Board of Aldermen.