I think Mr. Dilettante has it right. I'd also add that most of the homes in those days that were converted to multifamily were probably converted into boarding houses and other low rent units, further solidifying the decline. That won't be the case today. I'd bet my last dollar the conversions today will be pretty pricey.urban_dilettante wrote: ↑Dec 12, 2018^ i don't know. i think the decline of the CWE in the 60's/70's was probably a symptom of the the general decline/emptying out of the city. i don't think converting mansions to multi-family causes decline, per se. but the reality is that a city can't support successful public transit or small business density on single-family mansion population density. i think such conversions are fairly common in cities like Philadelphia and Boston.
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^ please. please. Mr. Dilettante was my father. Call me "urban".
LInk to the final agenda for monday.
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... 7-2018.pdf
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... 7-2018.pdf
Glad to see this stipulation for the proposed row houses on Geyer in Soulard:
with the condition that brick extend the length of the west facade and with the stipulation that final plans and exterior materials are reviewed and approved by the Cultural Resources Office.
with the condition that brick extend the length of the west facade and with the stipulation that final plans and exterior materials are reviewed and approved by the Cultural Resources Office.
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... 2019-2.pdf
preliminary agenda for monday's meeting. Chase Bank project for Delmar makes an appearance.
preliminary agenda for monday's meeting. Chase Bank project for Delmar makes an appearance.
Glad to see the townhome development on Delmar coming back to life.
Wonder what the end game with that Sidney rehab/demo is. That entire square block could benefit from infill. I mean, such a desolate block fronting a park.
I also think that immediate area has a ton of potential with the warehouses, on both sides of Jefferson/Gravois. Tons of potential, in fact.
Jefferson still has so much potential, even more so if N/S comes to fruition. That gas station and car wash are ripe for redevelopment. God.
I also think that immediate area has a ton of potential with the warehouses, on both sides of Jefferson/Gravois. Tons of potential, in fact.
Jefferson still has so much potential, even more so if N/S comes to fruition. That gas station and car wash are ripe for redevelopment. God.
The Sidney project is for the Rung headquarters.
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... of-st.html
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... of-st.html
Interesting. Thanks. Couldn't see anything else other than an 18k square foot addition. Wonder where its going. Hopefully theyre not blowing a bunch of space on parking, as they are touting how it will transform an entire block.
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... 5-2019.pdf
detailed agenda for 2/25
detailed agenda for 2/25
Agenda for march with demo request for church on Chouteau
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... 2019-2.pdf
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... 2019-2.pdf
link to preliminary agenda for monday
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... 2019-4.pdf
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... 2019-4.pdf
final agenda for monday
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... 2-2019.pdf
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... 2-2019.pdf
preliminary agenda for May
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... 0-19-2.pdf
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... 0-19-2.pdf
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The one surprising thing is the Sisters of St. Joseph going after their smokestack. It's a pretty old one, but I don't doubt that tuckpointing the thing would be prohibitively expensive. Of course, that does leave me wondering what stabilization and adaptive reuse of a chimney would look like.
Final agenda for monday
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... 0-2019.pdf
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... 0-2019.pdf
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I hope they stand their ground on the Sister's of St. Joseph denial. The convent is such a treasure and that neighborhood has already lost so many great structures, it would be a shame to lose another.
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^I'm actually torn on that one. Sure, the convent is a gem, but that's true with or without the chim-chim-i-ney. I'd like to see it preserved, but not at the cost of the owners selling the property and moving out to the county completely, for instance. (They already moved the larger part of their functions and dormitories as I understand it. The official mother house is now elsewhere. They keep the original site largely for reasons of history.) I'd like to see it preserved, but there are costs that would be too high. If it's reasonably sound and will hold together . . . but there are other buildings that are more important at the site. It's worth careful consideration, some degree of negotiation, and a touch of honesty. The site's importance is not in its industrial heritage, most of which is already long gone, but it's religious heritage. If it was a giant crucifix I doubt they'd be considering demolition.
. . . Is there a tiny crucifix somewhere up near the top, maybe? Or a relic of St. Coleman of Stackerau, the (future) patron saint of chimneys and steeplejacks?
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(Maybe saving the Carondelet Chimney is what will get him canonized. He'll save it and ask to be buried inside it. And after he does it will become a source of miracles. Touching the chimney will reputedly impart healing on your tuckpointing for decades. Maybe the blessing of the ladders will become a new event, lean your ladder against the chimney and the mother superior will come out, say a prayer to St. Coleman, apply some holy soot from inside the now functioning chimney, and Bob's your uncle. New source of revenue to keep the thing going.)
Okay. I have too much time on my hands. I'd love to see it saved, but how much will it cost and will it endanger something else?
. . . Is there a tiny crucifix somewhere up near the top, maybe? Or a relic of St. Coleman of Stackerau, the (future) patron saint of chimneys and steeplejacks?

(Maybe saving the Carondelet Chimney is what will get him canonized. He'll save it and ask to be buried inside it. And after he does it will become a source of miracles. Touching the chimney will reputedly impart healing on your tuckpointing for decades. Maybe the blessing of the ladders will become a new event, lean your ladder against the chimney and the mother superior will come out, say a prayer to St. Coleman, apply some holy soot from inside the now functioning chimney, and Bob's your uncle. New source of revenue to keep the thing going.)
Okay. I have too much time on my hands. I'd love to see it saved, but how much will it cost and will it endanger something else?
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I had the same view of it. The chimney doesn't really dominate the landscape, and the entire site is significant for the religious purposes. There's no adaptive reuse and won't ever be. Perhaps the denial was more because if they approved here, then they would have to approve of demolition of more significant chimneys elsewhere later on.
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^That is quite definitely a pickle, now that you mention it. There are others of much greater import both to the sykline and the interpretation of their sites.
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... 2019-2.pdf
a demo request has been added
MIssouri Foundation for Health is at it again.
They claimed they were going to rehab this and now the rear has collapsed under their ownership
This does not smell right.
a demo request has been added
MIssouri Foundation for Health is at it again.
They claimed they were going to rehab this and now the rear has collapsed under their ownership
This does not smell right.




