You mean "duly noted" not "dually noted" Mr. Elitist.
Majic 105fm is reporting that Plush has lost its liquor license. It also reported that Formula on Washington Avenue may lose its license.
Unfortunately, the owners aren't the one causing the problems. A few - emphasis on few - people are causing the problems. Plush was a nice club. When in town, many Hollywood stars and celebrities used to go there when it first opened. Although I have never been there, I have family and friends that have, and they had nothing but praise for the club. I don't know anything about Formula.
Over time, the thugs and seedy types learn of a good thing then the stabilizing forces depart the scene because they come and this is the result. Although I think losing the license is kinda of unfair to the owners, because they cannot discriminate, downtown must be protected from seedy element. People are putting too much money into downtown for a few idiots to ruin it.
Unfortunately, the owners aren't the one causing the problems. A few - emphasis on few - people are causing the problems. Plush was a nice club. When in town, many Hollywood stars and celebrities used to go there when it first opened. Although I have never been there, I have family and friends that have, and they had nothing but praise for the club. I don't know anything about Formula.
Over time, the thugs and seedy types learn of a good thing then the stabilizing forces depart the scene because they come and this is the result. Although I think losing the license is kinda of unfair to the owners, because they cannot discriminate, downtown must be protected from seedy element. People are putting too much money into downtown for a few idiots to ruin it.
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Arch City wrote:Majic 105fm is reporting that Plush has lost its liquor license. It also reported that Formula on Washington Avenue may lose its license.
Unfortunately, the owners aren't the one causing the problems. A few - emphasis on few - people are causing the problems. Plush was a nice club. When in town, many Hollywood stars and celebrities used to go there when it first opened. Although I have never been there, I have family and friends that have, and they had nothing but praise for the club. I don't know anything about Formula.
Over time, the thugs and seedy types learn of a good thing then the stabilizing forces depart the scene because they come and this is the result. Although I think losing the license is kinda of unfair to the owners, because they cannot discriminate, downtown must be protected from seedy element. People are putting too much money into downtown for a few idiots to ruin it.
The owners are the ones that let the trash in.
Once you have a shooting at your club, losing your license is usually the next step.
Arch City wrote:Majic 105fm is reporting that Plush has lost its liquor license. It also reported that Formula on Washington Avenue may lose its license.
Unfortunately, the owners aren't the one causing the problems. A few - emphasis on few - people are causing the problems. Plush was a nice club. When in town, many Hollywood stars and celebrities used to go there when it first opened. Although I have never been there, I have family and friends that have, and they had nothing but praise for the club. I don't know anything about Formula.
Over time, the thugs and seedy types learn of a good thing then the stabilizing forces depart the scene because they come and this is the result. Although I think losing the license is kinda of unfair to the owners, because they cannot discriminate, downtown must be protected from seedy element. People are putting too much money into downtown for a few idiots to ruin it.
But a liquor license is a privilege, not a right. There are plenty of examples in the St. Louis area and even nationally where liquor licenses are tough or impossible to get. Isn’t there a ward down in south city where an alderman is killing all new applications and making renewals tough?
A couple of extremely violent incidents in a short period at places owned by the same person is a good way to tick the liquor control board off.
There are plenty of examples of “death sentences” (or close to it).
• St. Charles killed Maryland Yards and crippled Main Street Bistro after fights there by pulling their liquor licenses for extended periods.
• One of the Casa Gallardo’s lost their license for a month after underage drinking and temporarily closed for remodeling.
• Over the years plenty of bars at Westport have bitten the dust after running afoul of the Maryland Heights cops. (Does anyone remember Aunt Heidi’s years ago?)
One way for a bar to loose their liquor license quickly is to not grease the wheels by employing enough off-duty cops as security. Look at Sundeckers on the Landing. Even though they’re small, that place has had the same 3 or 4 cops there on busy nights. I can guarantee they’ve never had a problem with their license.
When I was in college and was made assistant manager at a bar I immediately tripled the number of off-duty cops working the place. Even though we had a bad stretch where a couple of frats constantly fought in and out of the place, we never had a problem with our license. After I left the next manager rolled the number of cops back and was closed within a year. It’s not right, but that’s the way thing work.
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You know I thought about being the bigger person here, but decided against it. You can keep your racist a$$ out in Jeff Co. aka "Meth capital USA" and continue smoking it, with all of your hick neighbors.don koester wrote:You mean "duly noted" not "dually noted" Mr. Elitist.
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Arch City wrote:Majic 105fm is reporting that Plush has lost its liquor license. It also reported that Formula on Washington Avenue may lose its license.
Unfortunately, the owners aren't the one causing the problems. A few - emphasis on few - people are causing the problems. Plush was a nice club. When in town, many Hollywood stars and celebrities used to go there when it first opened. Although I have never been there, I have family and friends that have, and they had nothing but praise for the club. I don't know anything about Formula.
Over time, the thugs and seedy types learn of a good thing then the stabilizing forces depart the scene because they come and this is the result. Although I think losing the license is kinda of unfair to the owners, because they cannot discriminate, downtown must be protected from seedy element. People are putting too much money into downtown for a few idiots to ruin it.
The owners are the ones that let the trash in.
Once you have a shooting at your club, losing your license is usually the next step.
It's also having the attitude of turning them loose in the street and saying "'It didn't happen in my place. What happens outside isn't my fault." The smart manager or doorman kicks one party out in a fight and keeps the other one in the corner to cool their jets. Heck, just sit with them for 10 or 15 miuntes and listen to their stupid drunken macho ramblings and most of the time you've bought yourself some peace. Or take them out the back door. Whatever it takes.
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dweebe wrote:The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Arch City wrote:Majic 105fm is reporting that Plush has lost its liquor license. It also reported that Formula on Washington Avenue may lose its license.
Unfortunately, the owners aren't the one causing the problems. A few - emphasis on few - people are causing the problems. Plush was a nice club. When in town, many Hollywood stars and celebrities used to go there when it first opened. Although I have never been there, I have family and friends that have, and they had nothing but praise for the club. I don't know anything about Formula.
Over time, the thugs and seedy types learn of a good thing then the stabilizing forces depart the scene because they come and this is the result. Although I think losing the license is kinda of unfair to the owners, because they cannot discriminate, downtown must be protected from seedy element. People are putting too much money into downtown for a few idiots to ruin it.
The owners are the ones that let the trash in.
Once you have a shooting at your club, losing your license is usually the next step.
It's also having the attitude of turning them loose in the street and saying "'It didn't happen in my place. What happens outside isn't my fault." The smart manager or doorman kicks one party out in a fight and keeps the other one in the corner to cool their jets. Heck, just sit with them for 10 or 15 miuntes and listen to their stupid drunken macho ramblings and most of the time you've bought yourself some peace. Or take them out the back door. Whatever it takes.
Yep.
One thing I know about Bob Kraiberg, is that he doesn't screw around.
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:dweebe wrote:The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
The owners are the ones that let the trash in.
Once you have a shooting at your club, losing your license is usually the next step.
It's also having the attitude of turning them loose in the street and saying "'It didn't happen in my place. What happens outside isn't my fault." The smart manager or doorman kicks one party out in a fight and keeps the other one in the corner to cool their jets. Heck, just sit with them for 10 or 15 miuntes and listen to their stupid drunken macho ramblings and most of the time you've bought yourself some peace. Or take them out the back door. Whatever it takes.
Yep.
One thing I know about Bob Kraiberg, is that he doesn't screw around.
Who?
DeBaliviere wrote:^
Excise commissioner - handles liquor licenses.
Thanks.
Usually you don't get (and keep) that sort of job by being a softie.
I disagree. What should the owners do? Profile? If so, to what extent? Even if people meet entry standards, it doesn't guarantee they'll come in and play by the rules. Same could be said about St. Louis Galleria or any other facility or club. I submit that owners don't always have control over patrons. There's been a many bar room brawls that have taken place against the wishes of the owners.The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
The owners are the ones that let the trash in.
Once you have a shooting at your club, losing your license is usually the next step.
Anyway, I believe and hope that before licenses are revoked, a fair hearing is given to the owners. And I hope the media or politicos aren't influencing decisions.
Who suggested otherwise? As a person who plans to open a business in St. Louis City, I know all about the liquor license process - application process, getting alderperson(s) signatures, community endorsement etc. It is an arduous and costly process in St. Louis City.dweebe wrote:
But a liquor license is a privilege, not a right.
As I said in the previous post, I believe and hope that before licenses are revoked, a fair hearing is given to the owners. And I hope the media or politicos aren't influencing decisions.
People invest too much money in their businesses to have a couple of nincompoops to flush it all down the toilet.
May I ask what business? Love to see good establishments come to town and this board is a good way to expose it.
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Arch City wrote:I disagree. What should the owners do? Profile? If so, to what extent? Even if people meet entry standards, it doesn't guarantee they'll come in and play by the rules. Same could be said about St. Louis Galleria or any other facility or club. I submit that owners don't always have control over patrons. There's been a many bar room brawls that have taken place against the wishes of the owners.The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
The owners are the ones that let the trash in.
Once you have a shooting at your club, losing your license is usually the next step.
Anyway, I believe and hope that before licenses are revoked, a fair hearing is given to the owners. And I hope the media or politicos aren't influencing decisions.
Having been in the bar business myself, I got pretty good at being able to pick who was potential trouble and who wasn't. If that's what you call "profiling", then that is what I was doing.
Was anyone on this list a patron of the questionable clubs? I ask because my theory is that these clubs are the type that sell more bottled water than beer.
Matt wrote:Was anyone on this list a patron of the questionable clubs? I ask because my theory is that these clubs are the type that sell more bottled water than beer.
I remember going to Oz about 4 or 5 years ago when X was king. I swear I was the only person in the place not tripping. Velvet also went through a short period where the letter people took over.
It did make the line at the bars for a drink short though.
There are teenie bopper bars (X was/is king)
There are more "matured" bars (like in Central West end and some on Washington). these bars have been around and know how to operate.
There are the bars that are constantly in the spotlight for all the wrong reasons.
That about takes care of the bar scene in STL. I have been to all 3 types in my lifetime, and for the last 5 years have been sticking to the bars where I know I will not have to put my hands on my head or behind my back.
Lately, some excellent wine bars have sprung up over the city and county, but that's another thread waiting to be started.
There are more "matured" bars (like in Central West end and some on Washington). these bars have been around and know how to operate.
There are the bars that are constantly in the spotlight for all the wrong reasons.
That about takes care of the bar scene in STL. I have been to all 3 types in my lifetime, and for the last 5 years have been sticking to the bars where I know I will not have to put my hands on my head or behind my back.
Lately, some excellent wine bars have sprung up over the city and county, but that's another thread waiting to be started.
When I first moved here in 1990 there was a huge nightclub on Oakland Ave. where the Science Center is now. I think it was last named 64 West. It was a really cool place and had a large pop/rock orchestra that sounded great. I suppose coke was the drug of choice then. The place was large, upscale, and expensive. I remember going there for Christmas parties and the place was really beautiful.
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Matt wrote:When I first moved here in 1990 there was a huge nightclub on Oakland Ave. where the Science Center is now. I think it was last named 64 West. It was a really cool place and had a large pop/rock orchestra that sounded great. I suppose coke was the drug of choice then. The place was large, upscale, and expensive. I remember going there for Christmas parties and the place was really beautiful.
Rupert's/64 West. It died a predictable death.
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The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Matt wrote:When I first moved here in 1990 there was a huge nightclub on Oakland Ave. where the Science Center is now. I think it was last named 64 West. It was a really cool place and had a large pop/rock orchestra that sounded great. I suppose coke was the drug of choice then. The place was large, upscale, and expensive. I remember going there for Christmas parties and the place was really beautiful.
Rupert's/64 West. It died a predictable death.
That place looked like something out of "Less Than Zero." Unfortunately, it replaced Stan Musial's restaurant, which I have vague memories of.
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^ Musial and Biggie's.
My memories are vague, too, because all I remember are the name, the location, and the many ads for it that I used to see on the front and sides of Bi-State buses. And the garish look of M&B's successor, 64 West, is really hard to forget!
My memories are vague, too, because all I remember are the name, the location, and the many ads for it that I used to see on the front and sides of Bi-State buses. And the garish look of M&B's successor, 64 West, is really hard to forget!
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I used to have a bunch of autographed photos of Stan the Man from his restaurant - it seemed like whenever someone in my family went there, they always brought me back a pic. I have no idea what happened to them all - they're all MIA!
Matt wrote:When I first moved here in 1990 there was a huge nightclub on Oakland Ave. where the Science Center is now. I think it was last named 64 West. It was a really cool place and had a large pop/rock orchestra that sounded great. I suppose coke was the drug of choice then. The place was large, upscale, and expensive. I remember going there for Christmas parties and the place was really beautiful.
It was a snowstorm in Ruperts.
So it sounds like you're old enough to remember the club at the opposite end of the spectrum that started it all on Washington Ave: "1227"? If you went to "1227" people thought you were a freak.