Or, for that matter, one 20-story building with 3 adjacent lots worth of parking garage/lot. Since, for some reason, the City has an unhealthy addiction to resident-car ratios, making it impossible for developers to produce built-in/subterranean parking in new developments.Alex Ihnen wrote:Not to mention that in reality, the CWE would benefit much, much more by having vacant lots filled with 3-6 story buildings than having a 20 story building while 3 large lots remain empty.
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^ agreed - though subterranean parking is closer to $40-50K/space
If that's true, how was a hotel allowed to be demolished for a surface parking lot on Lindell?Alex Ihnen wrote:Along Lindell is a max of 16 stories, but also requires a minimum of 3 stories - this is designed to increase the height of potential developments. This means that virtually any building demo'd for a new building, and obviously any development on vacant lots/parking lots, will add significant density.
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Assuming you're talking about the old hotel that had become the San Luis assisted living center at Taylor/Lindell? The simple answer is that it was demolished two years before the city passed the form-based code for this part of the CWE.
Yeah, that's the one. Thanks; glad to hear the new code should prevent something like that from happening again.
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Not really. If the Archdiocese wanted to tear down a building for a parking lot, they'd likely get their way, just as SLU got their way with the Pevely. If the preservation board denies a demo permit, they can just appeal to the planning commission, threaten to move to the County, and voila! And if the alderperson supports the demolition, as was the case with the San Luis, it would almost certainly be a done deal.rbb wrote:Yeah, that's the one. Thanks; glad to hear the new code should prevent something like that from happening again.
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^ May by true. In this case, that same Alderwoman (Krewson) fully supports the form-based code - yes, after she allowed the San Luis to fall.
Note the *should* - that was intentional. At first I'd typed 'will prevent something like that from happening again', but then I remembered St. Louis' leadership.stlgasm wrote:Not really. If the Archdiocese wanted to tear down a building for a parking lot, they'd likely get their way, just as SLU got their way with the Pevely. If the preservation board denies a demo permit, they can just appeal to the planning commission, threaten to move to the County, and voila! And if the alderperson supports the demolition, as was the case with the San Luis, it would almost certainly be a done deal.rbb wrote:Yeah, that's the one. Thanks; glad to hear the new code should prevent something like that from happening again.
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Thanks for the looks at The Buckingham Hotel stlgasm. It sure would make for some great apartments today if it were still around. I stumbled across another good shot of it while clicking around ebay:
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Absolutely beautiful. This is why I wish BJC would respect the old Jewish hospital building rather than tear it down for another bland glass box. These buildings were built with gracious inviting facades and they were/are oriented towards forest park and Kingshighway. The new BJC buildings so far have placed blank walls and mechanical vents towards the street (not to mention parking garages).
Can someone post the different floor plans in PET. I realize some owners may have made modifications but I was wanting a general idea.
I know floor 7 has three units, floors 8 - 19 have six units each,
floor 20 has 4 units, floors 21 - 23 have three units, floor 24 has two and floor 25/26 is one unit.
I know floor 7 has three units, floors 8 - 19 have six units each,
floor 20 has 4 units, floors 21 - 23 have three units, floor 24 has two and floor 25/26 is one unit.
This bill establishing a form-based zoning code in the CWE is proceeding through the Board of Aldermen but is not yet adopted:
http://stlouis-mo.gov/government/depart ... &BBId=8182
http://stlouis-mo.gov/government/depart ... &BBId=8182
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Is it just me or does it seem like a lot of things in the CWE are closing? Duff's, the Crushed Red failure, the mostly empty Hill Building, and now Qdoba. It does seem very odd to me though, that they're announcing this only 24 hours before the actual closure.
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Qdoba is odd - not sure what's happening, but they're closing several locations throughout STL. The Duffs spot will be filled very soon. Crushed Red space has been very challenging with locals not wanting another place serving alcohol - it would be an I-Tap otherwise. Some things are closing, but turnover's to be expected.
You're right. Let's not forget Qdoba's got the Lindell location still open just 1.1 miles (by Google Maps) away.Alex Ihnen wrote:Qdoba is odd - not sure what's happening, but they're closing several locations throughout STL.
The Qdoba closings only makes more room for Chipotle, which are better in my opinion. Just put one downtown.
In regards to CWE closings, Duffs had a long - very long run - for a restaurant - some 40+ years I believe.
In regards to CWE closings, Duffs had a long - very long run - for a restaurant - some 40+ years I believe.
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Starbucks failed in the Park East Tower as well. Not sure that says anything in particular other than that STL doesn't need a Starbucks every three blocks.
Could it also be the rent is very steep?Alex Ihnen wrote:Starbucks failed in the Park East Tower as well. Not sure that says anything in particular other than that STL doesn't need a Starbucks every three blocks.
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One on Lindell is closing too. Closing 6 total in region.dweebe wrote:You're right. Let's not forget Qdoba's got the Lindell location still open just 1.1 miles (by Google Maps) away.Alex Ihnen wrote:Qdoba is odd - not sure what's happening, but they're closing several locations throughout STL.
Huh?downtown2007 wrote:One on Lindell is closing too. Closing 6 total in region.dweebe wrote:You're right. Let's not forget Qdoba's got the Lindell location still open just 1.1 miles (by Google Maps) away.Alex Ihnen wrote:Qdoba is odd - not sure what's happening, but they're closing several locations throughout STL.
The specific Qdoba locations closed are 15 North Euclid Avenue in the city of St. Louis, 1600 Mid Rivers Mall in St. Peters, 12710 Olive Boulevard (at North Mason Road) in Creve Coeur, 1784 Wentzville Parkway in Wentzville and 6570 North Illinois Street in Fairview Heights. Also closing is the location 3051 Phoenix Center Drive in Washington.
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Nice view of the City from the Zillow Rental Listing of a 19th floor place in Park East Tower, CWE.
https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_rent/c ... g4k0_crid/
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