I wonder if this project's failure will help City Foundry's effort to get a City Target. I know that's something they were desperately trying to do, but Target was looking into Iron Hill instead.Mends1 wrote: ↑Apr 04, 2021It is still listed as a project on the midtown redevelopment page, but your right the link leads to page not found on Cullinan. As a new resident of the area we were looking forward to this. And Target would have been nice
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If Foundry Phase 2 happens, that ~25,000sf ground floor retail space across from IKEA would be ideal. And on the flip side, frankly it's hard for me to imagine Phase 2 proceeding without one anytime soon.Elek.borrelli wrote: ↑Apr 04, 2021I wonder if this project's failure will help City Foundry's effort to get a City Target. I know that's something they were desperately trying to do, but Target was looking into Iron Hill instead.Mends1 wrote: ↑Apr 04, 2021It is still listed as a project on the midtown redevelopment page, but your right the link leads to page not found on Cullinan. As a new resident of the area we were looking forward to this. And Target would have been nice
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Development is development, but this was really off from the start.
Who else could come forth with a workable plan here? Just passed the site yesterday and it was blindly painful looking at the SLU honorary "out of ideas" gates where the Pevely buildings used to be.
Who else could come forth with a workable plan here? Just passed the site yesterday and it was blindly painful looking at the SLU honorary "out of ideas" gates where the Pevely buildings used to be.
The BizJournal has a quote from Cullinan...
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... -deal.html"We diligently pursued the project over the last year, despite the pandemic, as we really wanted to transform this property. The Covid-19 pandemic greatly impacted the many uses envisioned for Iron Hill and, unfortunately, many of the prospective tenants are focused on rebuilding their existing business and not expanding," the company said in a statement. "The project we initially envisioned and the timeline for completing the project were greatly altered by Covid-19. We could not commit to meet the initial timeline we promised with such an unexpected interruption in new store openings and business expansions, which had a great financial impact on the project. We hate to walk away from the site as we were very committed to it getting developed."
Well, they could keep it simple and just divide up the property into quadrants by extending/rebuilding Prospect south to Chouteau, and Papin west to Spring. Then sell the four resulting parcels to Green Street, PPG, KDG, and Lux Living. Give them each let's say, a 3-7,500sf office or retail min./max. allowance.bwcrow1s wrote: ↑Apr 05, 2021Development is development, but this was really off from the start.
Who else could come forth with a workable plan here? Just passed the site yesterday and it was blindly painful looking at the SLU honorary "out of ideas" gates where the Pevely buildings used to be.
Of course, the result would probably just be four similar, amenity-encrusted Texas doughnuts, and it may not provide the density we'd all like to see, but at least it has a realistic chance of filling up much of that highly-visible, vacant lot sometime soon. And the 1,000 or so apartments, along with the med center, ought to generate sufficient demand so the retail doesn't cannibalize anything else in the area.
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Can we also bring back the Spring viaduct, or is that asking for too much?
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Another entry in SLU's track record of failed urban renewal and development efforts.
The prospective views and metro connectivity scream dense residential. Dovetails with what's happening directly east of Grand. More people please. People who can support current and planned retail development near by. Foundry, South Grand and GC would benefit.
That would of course be the desired end result. Put in the streets. Sell off the quadrants. I'm sure it'd be too much 'variance' for SLU though. Seems like they just want sweeping, transformative, 'it's done' visions of filled vacancy so they can put it to bed.urbanitas wrote: ↑Apr 06, 2021Well, they could keep it simple and just divide up the property into quadrants by extending/rebuilding Prospect south to Chouteau, and Papin west to Spring. Then sell the four resulting parcels to Green Street, PPG, KDG, and Lux Living. Give them each let's say, a 3-7,500sf office or retail min./max. allowance.bwcrow1s wrote: ↑Apr 05, 2021Development is development, but this was really off from the start.
Who else could come forth with a workable plan here? Just passed the site yesterday and it was blindly painful looking at the SLU honorary "out of ideas" gates where the Pevely buildings used to be.
Of course, the result would probably just be four similar, amenity-encrusted Texas doughnuts, and it may not provide the density we'd all like to see, but at least it has a realistic chance of filling up much of that highly-visible, vacant lot sometime soon. And the 1,000 or so apartments, along with the med center, ought to generate sufficient demand so the retail doesn't cannibalize anything else in the area.
Starting to veer off the thread topic but SLU and respective development district opportunity to seize the moment for federal stimulus funds to improve infrastructure is now. It would be great to focus if SLU and the development district focus on any number of items whether it be the ones discussed above and or but a short list that might be suited for another thread but start specifically with this property
1) Street Grid at Grand and Chouteau with better connections to future greenway as well as pedestrian improvement such as new sidewalks & street improvement/new pavement on existing grid on other side of Grand. In other words make it even more desireable for continued development in and around steelcote for near term infill with expected long term development spillage on former Iron Hill site w ready made street grid.
2) I64 and Grand rebuilt interchanges, reconfiguration which I believe what improvements can be accomplished discussed on other threads.
3) Foundry trestle & Foundry to Armory pedestrian crossing. In other words a great opportunity to get funds to extend greenway trail from current CORTEX station with Grand Metrolink station. Not sure if Spring Viaduct will ever come back w Fed interstate clearances tending to being higher than state highway requirements. But get the trestle and new connection built because Iron Hill's initial failure might be an opportunity for immediate future/stronger Foundry & Armory Developments.
4) Grand and Forest Parkway at grade intersection. Someone can correct but believe some of the preliminary engineering work has been done
I think Iron Hill near term failure is also an opportunity in a lot of ways whether it be a new way to look at the property itself, the immediate area and in some respects I think having two developments in Foundry & Armory getting into phase II and maybe Steelcote developers looking for expanded phase III build outs/infill is better then having three partially built developments stuck in their respective phase I plans.
1) Street Grid at Grand and Chouteau with better connections to future greenway as well as pedestrian improvement such as new sidewalks & street improvement/new pavement on existing grid on other side of Grand. In other words make it even more desireable for continued development in and around steelcote for near term infill with expected long term development spillage on former Iron Hill site w ready made street grid.
2) I64 and Grand rebuilt interchanges, reconfiguration which I believe what improvements can be accomplished discussed on other threads.
3) Foundry trestle & Foundry to Armory pedestrian crossing. In other words a great opportunity to get funds to extend greenway trail from current CORTEX station with Grand Metrolink station. Not sure if Spring Viaduct will ever come back w Fed interstate clearances tending to being higher than state highway requirements. But get the trestle and new connection built because Iron Hill's initial failure might be an opportunity for immediate future/stronger Foundry & Armory Developments.
4) Grand and Forest Parkway at grade intersection. Someone can correct but believe some of the preliminary engineering work has been done
I think Iron Hill near term failure is also an opportunity in a lot of ways whether it be a new way to look at the property itself, the immediate area and in some respects I think having two developments in Foundry & Armory getting into phase II and maybe Steelcote developers looking for expanded phase III build outs/infill is better then having three partially built developments stuck in their respective phase I plans.
City Target at Lindell and Euclid (SW corner)!!
With apts above.
Just putting it out into the universe
With apts above.
Just putting it out into the universe
To me, a City Target at Grand and Chouteau makes the most sense because of the easy access to the MetroLink. While Lindell and Euclid would be a decent location, Grand and Chouteau makes more sense. Having it right on the MetroLink line allows residents, who live near stations, to ride over and pick things up. The parking garage at Iron Hill would've served City Target had the development been built and would've allowed people to arrived via car (such as coming on 64 and 44 as well as Chouteau, Grand and the roads that go out to those roads). Finally, the Brickline Greenway would've run near here, so that would've ben the third mobility option to get to the City Target at Grand and Chouteau. So it was clear to see why they were so close to signing on here, and are the tenant I hinted at towards the end of last year. But now that the project is dead, they're clearly out but probably want to remain nearby (perhaps at the Foundry).imran wrote: ↑Apr 08, 2021City Target at Lindell and Euclid (SW corner)!!
With apts above.
Just putting it out into the universe
^ I think you can make a pretty good argument for Foundry as well. Especially if you see some more connectivity built out from extending greenway trail/finish trestle from CORTEX metrolink station and make FPP/Grand Ave an at grade intersection/pedestrian improvements. In short order the Foundry is well connected to SLU campus/Grand in one direction, CORTEX/CWE in other, and Grove/FPSE in the other with possibility of a lot more residential be built in future as well as parking that Iron Hill was going to offer. Greenway/I64 pedestrian gets extended from Foundry to Armory/Grand Ave metrolink station and you got even more connectivity
But I think things really hinge on SLU & its development arm taking a new approach and partner with GRG, Bi-State and CORTEX itself to come up with some solid proposals if Biden admin succeeds with a big Infrastructure slug as well as convince city to use some of its COVID aid funding back into the area for things as simple as sidewalks, lighting and repaving streets.
But I think things really hinge on SLU & its development arm taking a new approach and partner with GRG, Bi-State and CORTEX itself to come up with some solid proposals if Biden admin succeeds with a big Infrastructure slug as well as convince city to use some of its COVID aid funding back into the area for things as simple as sidewalks, lighting and repaving streets.
As we inch closer towards a new proposal being selected and put out there, what are some things that you all would like to see here? Be specific if you can. I know parking was previously addressed and debated here, but what about other things?
A gym would be nice!chriss752 wrote:As we inch closer towards a new proposal being selected and put out there, what are some things that you all would like to see here? Be specific if you can. I know parking was previously addressed and debated here, but what about other things?
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Residential density and a ground floor Trader Joe's facing the Southeast corner.
Also a convenient store like DGX like they’ve done downtown and downtown Clayton.
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Pedestrian connection from from Gratiot to Grand/anything to make the walk to the Grand Metrolink stop more pleasant for pedestrians
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1. Multi-Use: professional, residential, hospitality, retail.chriss752 wrote: ↑Aug 31, 2021As we inch closer towards a new proposal being selected and put out there, what are some things that you all would like to see here? Be specific if you can. I know parking was previously addressed and debated here, but what about other things?
2. Multi-story, preferably 35m+.
3. Density.
4. Urban form.
5. Reestablished street grid.
6. Underground parking, transformable to other uses.
7. New pedestrian infrastructure on Gratiot under the Grand bridge.
8. Professional wet lab space.
9. New pedestrian overpass: Spring Street from Gratiot north to Clark.
10. Retail incubator space for local startups.
Also, I like rooftop bars with skyline views; red meats on the menu; and Guinness on tap.
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I was going to say, anything built along Grand with some height would have spectacular views of the skyline.
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A place to buy a pair of decent jeans….as I’ve said many times, the lack of retail in the City limits is embarrassing. Since City Foundry is dragging their feet on retail, this site should fill the void.
Not proposed all by the same developer. The island development thing is getting pretty old. SLU already holds enough land hostage that we don't need yet another entity holding an entire swath hostage.
Steelcoate is just getting sh*t done. And they're doing it bit by bit, not by promising the moon. That's how cities are built.
Steelcoate is just getting sh*t done. And they're doing it bit by bit, not by promising the moon. That's how cities are built.
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Pedestrian Overpasses connecting all 4 corners of the intersection, not in the style of Vegas, but in the manner of Vegas.
Double down on GC's Rooftop bar with red meat and Guinness and add a well rounded cabsav list.
I think this site poses a bit of a problem because you want to make it a multi use node but not an island fortress. I hope it attempts to engage both very busy streets in Grand and Chouteau while extending beyond it through creative connectivity.
Double down on GC's Rooftop bar with red meat and Guinness and add a well rounded cabsav list.
I think this site poses a bit of a problem because you want to make it a multi use node but not an island fortress. I hope it attempts to engage both very busy streets in Grand and Chouteau while extending beyond it through creative connectivity.