Does anyone have knowledge that this is legit or does it fall in the realm of McKee's clickbait so journalists put something in the paper.framer wrote: ↑Aug 21, 2020"NorthSide developer says it will start construction on three-bed first phase of ‘Homer G. Phillips’ hospital "
https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... 1176e.html
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The bigger question to me is if city officials will push back against this letter at all, or accept it on face value. I never understood why they gave him the previous extension, and I feel like its time to open up this area to other developers.
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more arson. i can't wait until that piece of sh*t McKee rots in a prison cell.
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Two McKee warehouse fires on adjacent lots in one day. 13th and Howard and then later in the day 13th and Mulanphy. Jumping Jimminy. 
that would require politicians with some balls. i wouldn't hold my breathurban_dilettante wrote: ↑Oct 16, 2020more arson. i can't wait until that piece of sh*t McKee rots in a prison cell.
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^ yeah. i should have said "i long for the day when..."
Not quite right there. The warehouse on N 13th that burned specatacularly is between Mullanphy and Howard. The other #McKeeProperty the burned first is at 1516 St. Louis Ave. Less than a half mile away.symphonicpoet wrote: ↑Oct 17, 2020Two McKee warehouse fires on adjacent lots in one day. 13th and Howard and then later in the day 13th and Mulanphy. Jumping Jimminy.
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^Hadn't seen where the first one was. Just repeated the reporting I'd read. Was the first fire as utterly destructive as the second? That man needs to be forcibly evicted from all of his holdings. He should be stripped of the lot of them and the proceeds from their sale should go to the neighborhoods he's wrecked.
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While I agree that should be what happens, unless he is late on taxes or the city is willing to use eminent domain to regain control it's pretty much impossible to just force him out. Best case scenario is that his insurance companies refuse to pay out due to contributory negligence on his behalf for failure to properly secure his properties and leadership stonewalls him for future incentives. Ideally he'd just sell to other developers who actually have the financial resources and vision to actually invest in these areas, but I think we're stuck with him sitting on this land until he passes away.
Soo this video was posted a week ago and maybe I have just missed it but has ALL this been put out there?
Slides look to be from this month.
Includes a rugby field...
https://www.northsideregeneration-homeofnextngawest.com
Slides look to be from this month.
Includes a rugby field...
https://www.northsideregeneration-homeofnextngawest.com
I've seen some of this here and there. Didn't know the Carpenters Union was planning anything across Jefferson though. Provided they actually follow though with that...that would be a really good place for their training center. Hadn't heard of the Rugby stadium or the Star District either...
^^ Seems like it would be closer to a general purpose field/park that could be used by the schools and youth clubs in the area. Also, Rugby is pretty big in America. A good buddy of mine has played pro in NOLA, KC, and currently (well before Covid) NYC. Lindenwood U has a good Rugby program too...it's actually where by buddy started playing before he went pro. Hardly just a UK thing (and actually most of his teammates were Australian).
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Just watched the video and it's a nice wish list, but I give it 0.01% chance of happening. Unless there are tenants lined up for any of that office space, I don't expect any to get built.
Just because I am curious. What all has Mckee actually proposed (to the point of some kind of mock up) over all these years compared to what he actually built? I know the built part is pretty small, I just don't know what all actually got proposed.
Also, the whole Ponce University campus and mixed-use development in the other thread.jshank83 wrote: ↑Oct 20, 2020Just because I am curious. What all has Mckee actually proposed (to the point of some kind of mock up) over all these years compared to what he actually built? I know the built part is pretty small, I just don't know what all actually got proposed.
In McKee's defense, he did say that this would take over a generation to happen. The vision, as presented, is betting on the NGA, which is fine as the NGA will be a huge player in the neighborhood over a long period of time despite being more or less a fortress. It will add a sense of safety to the area. The plans are also at the center of the Northside Regeneration redevelopment area. While I admit that 5 million square feet of retail and office space is a bit over the top, I do think that the vision will be narrowed down just a bit more as we learn more about the aftermath of the Coronavirus on the workplace and retail/restaurant spaces.
Moving on but while remaining in focus, these new plans sit just a quick drive or bike ride away from Old North and Hyde Park, which we all know have been seeing a grass-roots movement to stabilize and transform their neighborhoods into models for the Northside. Their success is clear and will become even more apparent over the next decade. On Cass, you have McCormack-Baron's renovation of Preservation Place ongoing, which will make that complex safer and have a better overall connection to the community. Down Jefferson at Gamble, Doorways is planning to start on their housing and office project fairly soon. Bids have been out for that for a while. Just South of there, the Jefferson Connector project brings the success of Midtown Alley to Jefferson Avenue and connects to Downtown. Finally, the road improvements to Jefferson will help make the infrastructure better for everyone. Too bad the MetroLink doesn't appear to happen since that would be another bonus I would include. I mention all of this because they all seem to play into why such a heavy focus has been made on the center of the NSR development area. This large series of projects all tie everything into one another. It creates an anchor for future development to spiral off of. I also think that this may be it for McKee and M Property Services and that with this project, they'll turn over other portions of their land to developers who can finish the job.
Either way though, the vision is pretty clear and is, dare I say, the clearest vision that I've seen come out of Northside Regeneration. Of course, I was too young to remember the early plans and if they were as detailed, but these are pretty detailed. I would like to say that seeing Clayco and the Lamar Johnson Collaborative on the renderings could be a good sign. Maybe this means that McKee is getting Clayco/CRG involved as a development partner. If not, then at least it means that there's a real architecture firm that can be traced back from Northside Regeneration instead of some renderings we've seen that we didn't know much about. In other words, this just seems more refined. This is 1500 acres/2.3 square miles we are talking about. This is no small undertaking and honestly, this puts to shame every single project we have seen in St. Louis in terms of scale by far.
People have a right to be skeptical seeing these new plans since the only semi-positive things that have been done by NSR are the gas station and grocery store on Tucker. People have waited well over a decade for development to happen and I believe that now is the best time to get the ball rolling. Everything won't be done in two years, but we can hope that we'll see steady progress over the next two and then continued progress for a decade after that. City government can also be skeptical of these new plans since the City has been more than patient over the past several years. Everyone has held their breath for so long that people just want McKee to go away and for someone else to step up. But honestly, who would that be? McKee and M Property Services, whether you hate them or not, and for better or worse, have brought quite a bit of attention to this area of North City. And finally, if it weren't for land assemblage for NSR, I doubt the NGA would've chosen the Northside for their new home.
I'm remaining optimistic and whether that is the death of me, I don't know. This is all just my opinion.
Moving on but while remaining in focus, these new plans sit just a quick drive or bike ride away from Old North and Hyde Park, which we all know have been seeing a grass-roots movement to stabilize and transform their neighborhoods into models for the Northside. Their success is clear and will become even more apparent over the next decade. On Cass, you have McCormack-Baron's renovation of Preservation Place ongoing, which will make that complex safer and have a better overall connection to the community. Down Jefferson at Gamble, Doorways is planning to start on their housing and office project fairly soon. Bids have been out for that for a while. Just South of there, the Jefferson Connector project brings the success of Midtown Alley to Jefferson Avenue and connects to Downtown. Finally, the road improvements to Jefferson will help make the infrastructure better for everyone. Too bad the MetroLink doesn't appear to happen since that would be another bonus I would include. I mention all of this because they all seem to play into why such a heavy focus has been made on the center of the NSR development area. This large series of projects all tie everything into one another. It creates an anchor for future development to spiral off of. I also think that this may be it for McKee and M Property Services and that with this project, they'll turn over other portions of their land to developers who can finish the job.
Either way though, the vision is pretty clear and is, dare I say, the clearest vision that I've seen come out of Northside Regeneration. Of course, I was too young to remember the early plans and if they were as detailed, but these are pretty detailed. I would like to say that seeing Clayco and the Lamar Johnson Collaborative on the renderings could be a good sign. Maybe this means that McKee is getting Clayco/CRG involved as a development partner. If not, then at least it means that there's a real architecture firm that can be traced back from Northside Regeneration instead of some renderings we've seen that we didn't know much about. In other words, this just seems more refined. This is 1500 acres/2.3 square miles we are talking about. This is no small undertaking and honestly, this puts to shame every single project we have seen in St. Louis in terms of scale by far.
People have a right to be skeptical seeing these new plans since the only semi-positive things that have been done by NSR are the gas station and grocery store on Tucker. People have waited well over a decade for development to happen and I believe that now is the best time to get the ball rolling. Everything won't be done in two years, but we can hope that we'll see steady progress over the next two and then continued progress for a decade after that. City government can also be skeptical of these new plans since the City has been more than patient over the past several years. Everyone has held their breath for so long that people just want McKee to go away and for someone else to step up. But honestly, who would that be? McKee and M Property Services, whether you hate them or not, and for better or worse, have brought quite a bit of attention to this area of North City. And finally, if it weren't for land assemblage for NSR, I doubt the NGA would've chosen the Northside for their new home.
I'm remaining optimistic and whether that is the death of me, I don't know. This is all just my opinion.