I don't have any renderings, but I can report that they're moving lots of dirt on several blocks. Should be a whole new neighborhood when they're finished.
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Good news for Phase II... financing is complete and another 10 buildings and 103 units will be coming. Nice Northside Regeneration!
http://www.stltoday.com/business/column ... 39206.html
http://www.stltoday.com/business/column ... 39206.html
Awesome! Is there a phase 3 planned?roger wyoming II wrote:Good news for Phase II... financing is complete and another 10 buildings and 103 units will be coming. Nice Northside Regeneration!
http://www.stltoday.com/business/column ... 39206.html
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^ Yes. ^^ Re: NorthSide Regeneration comment - we all likely know this, but the North Sarah development isn't attached to McKee or NorthSide in any way. It's a McCormack-Baron-Salazar development.
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ha! I forgot my sarcasm tag.Alex Ihnen wrote:^ Yes. ^^ Re: NorthSide Regeneration comment - we all likely know this, but the North Sarah development isn't attached to McKee or NorthSide in any way. It's a McCormack-Baron-Salazar development.
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Any update on this project? Any recent pics?
(And I apologize about my constant asking about updates in many of the threads...living in Central IL makes it hard to keep up to speed on some of these efforts)
(And I apologize about my constant asking about updates in many of the threads...living in Central IL makes it hard to keep up to speed on some of these efforts)
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It's moving along, but no pics...maybe someone will get by there soon. Good reminder for me to reach out to MBZ.
I have some pictures from over a month ago (at least). At that time they hadn't started building but were still moving dirt. Nice little development. I really like the buildings along Sara but some of the houses looked a bit cheap. Overall pretty happy with what they've done there. I wish there was more activity though. It felt a bit deserted with the occasional car driving by as I took pics. That should improve with the continued construction.
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Drove by a couple of days ago. They're moving quickly.
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I've been watching the project for a while and try to keep related photos in this flickr set: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pasa/sets/ ... 647789516/
I've been watching the project for a while and try to keep related photos in this flickr set: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pasa/sets/ ... 647789516/
Just to be clear, the pic that Explorer posted is on Vandeventer, not Sarah. The Sarah project isn't that far along.
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Thanks for clarifying that. It looks like the bulk of Phase II is on the Vandeventer side. Here is a pdf I pulled off Brinkman's site a couple of months ago with plans for Phase II:
Notice that all of these buildings are being built right up to the sidewalk; St. Louis finally seems to be catching on.
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I'm just amazed at how these are more urban than a project like Aventura (beating a dead horse).
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a question for the construction-savvy: do bricks come pre-connected in giant sheets now like those little tiles do? i noticed in some of the photos linked above, as well as on Nine North Euclid and elsewhere, that you can see straight, vertical seams running the entire height of the brick. i don't think it's terrible or anything but it looks a little cheap–wish the seems could be hidden better.
They used the same pre-fabricated veneer brick wall for Busch Stadium - gives you the illusion of a brick facade but much faster to put up and saves on the cost of labor and material.urban_dilettante wrote:a question for the construction-savvy: do bricks come pre-connected in giant sheets now like those little tiles do? i noticed in some of the photos linked above, as well as on Nine North Euclid and elsewhere, that you can see straight, vertical seams running the entire height of the brick. i don't think it's terrible or anything but it looks a little cheap–wish the seems could be hidden better.
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^^Really? I could have sworn that was real brick they used at Busch.
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Architecture school was twenty years ago for me, and so someone with more recent experience can correct this. IIRC, there are a couple ways to do brick curtain wall (which basically means non-structural brick) in a large building. Either (1) you can use large faux-brick panels or (2) you can use real brick, which rests on a metal ledge attached to the structure at each level. In this latter scenario, you still might have vertical expansion joints in order to prevent diagonal cracking along the mortar joints. Vertical lines don't necessarily indicate it's fake.
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interesting. are vertical expansion joints not needed for structural brick, or are they simply a more recent invention?Presbyterian wrote:Architecture school was twenty years ago for me, and so someone with more recent experience can correct this. IIRC, there are a couple ways to do brick curtain wall (which basically means non-structural brick) in a large building. Either (1) you can use large faux-brick panels or (2) you can use real brick, which rests on a metal ledge attached to the structure at each level. In this latter scenario, you still might have vertical expansion joints in order to prevent diagonal cracking along the mortar joints. Vertical lines don't necessarily indicate it's fake.
yeah, i think Busch must have a real-brick curtain wall; it definitely doesn't look like veneer. 9 N. Euclid, on the other hand, is clearly veneer-clad and looks like crap on close inspection. god i hate modern construction materials.chaifetz10 wrote:^^Really? I could have sworn that was real brick they used at Busch.
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^Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this. With older construction (nineteenth century and earlier), the masonry was structural. I'm assuming that any vertical seam would have compromised the interlocking structure. If it happened, it was rare and would have required additional structural reinforcement. Unlike today, I imagine it would have been a sign of a very expensive building.
Vertical expansion joints are pretty common in non-load bearing masonry applications these days. That is for both premade panels and brick that is actually laid in place. You'll see expansion joints in structural applications depending on the design. A lot of that really had to do with the size of the building. A short length of wall isn't going to have nearly as much movement as a long wall.
The brick at Busch Stadium is inlaid into cast concrete panels. Basically, the concrete panels were poured flat, but before the concrete cured the brick was laid in. They were then hung with steel brackets like any other curtain wall. It's a better look than a lot of brick panels, but still not true masonry.
The brick at Busch Stadium is inlaid into cast concrete panels. Basically, the concrete panels were poured flat, but before the concrete cured the brick was laid in. They were then hung with steel brackets like any other curtain wall. It's a better look than a lot of brick panels, but still not true masonry.
Walls are going up on the second phase of the Sarah portion of this project. Meanwhile, Vandeventer is looking great with three-story buildings framed right up to the sidewalk.
I'm still not clear whether these two projects are part of the same development, though.
I'm still not clear whether these two projects are part of the same development, though.
There's some really nicely detailed brickwork on the Vandeventer facades. These new buildings make quite an impact on the streetscape.