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PostJul 11, 2006#151

Framer,



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It is not a subdivision and thus one main or three entrances will not be the sole connections from New Town. Once completed there will be many connecting streets to the east, west, and south (even to Charlestowne) with possible north connections for future non-New Town. Today, it seems like a subdivision with few entrances like the one to New Town Blvd. but don't judge the place on that since it is nearly a real town being built.



+ Pedestrian oriented with nearly no straight or consistent through

street that could act as a speedway.

+ Connected street grid

+ Neigborhoods based on the principle of a five minute walking distance

from the center (park or civic space).
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PostJul 12, 2006#152

You may have misunderstood, SMS. I was asking where the CURRENT entrance is on the site plan that Dana posted a link for. I was just trying to get my bearings relative to what I remember seeing in person.
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PostJul 12, 2006#153

[/quote]On entrances - I do believe that there will be a second "back" entrance when the subdivision grows back far enough. There will also be 2 through-streets into Charlestowne. In 2007 or 2008, the city with (thankfully!) be widening Elm and New Town into 4 lanes.



I believe that that the current entrance will be the back of the development. From what I understand, the main entrance will be located off of Boshertown Rd. The current phases (phase 1, 2 and 3) are actually at the back. They are going to jump out of phase sequences and start on phase 10 (last phase) soon. Phase 10 is also at the back of the development.
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PostJul 14, 2006#154

yocomotion wrote:I believe that that the current entrance will be the back of the development. From what I understand, the main entrance will be located off of Boshertown Rd. The current phases (phase 1, 2 and 3) are actually at the back. They are going to jump out of phase sequences and start on phase 10 (last phase) soon. Phase 10 is also at the back of the development.


Hmmm, that will be interesting! Odd to be at the back of the development! I would have thought that, with all the exciting things going into Phase 10 (which, as you said, will be starting soon), they would want that at the front of the development.



I guess time will tell :)
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PostJul 18, 2006#155

my dad owns the pond guys and they got a million dollar contract for the landscaping, and i think there talking to him to do more, i helped build the giant pond there and the landscaping around it, it was a b****



does anyone know what school district this will be in, i hope it is st.charles west, so we can get some new ladies
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PostJul 18, 2006#156

It's Orchard Farm school district.



Yes, landscaping is a large part of it. Green spaces sprinkled throughout. There will be a dog park in phase 2, I believe.
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PostAug 24, 2006#157

Is this big project the next Pruitt-Igoe? :shock: I think it will be in about 35 years when St. Charles people think the area has gotten too "urban" so they move to Kingdom City. Pruitt-Igoe was an expensive project built to be its own community too. :lol:



BEFORE:





AFTER:







I'm kind of kidding about this but with the St. Charles mentality you never know.
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PostAug 24, 2006#158

Pruitt Igoe was anti-human and anti-community and anti-urban



New Town is compact small town planning revisited

pro-human pro-community and pro-walkable
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PostAug 24, 2006#159

SMSPlanstu wrote:Pruitt Igoe was anti-human and anti-community and anti-urban



New Town is compact small town planning revisited

pro-human pro-community and pro-walkable

stlmizzoutiger wrote:I'm kind of kidding about this but with the St. Charles mentality you never know.


I was joking :lol: I agree with you. I'm just giving some St. Charles people trouble for their mislead views on the city and other things.
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PostAug 24, 2006#160

stlmizzoutiger wrote:...I'm just giving some St. Charles people trouble for their mislead views on the city and other things.


Isn't that over-generalizing a little bit?



Not all people who live in St. Charles are from St. Charles and carry the same views.



I'm not from St. Charles (or even from this country), and am not aware of the stereotype surrounding St. Charles. It sounds rather harsh and derogatory considering it is simply where someone chooses to purchase a home.
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PostAug 25, 2006#161

DanaReale wrote:
stlmizzoutiger wrote:...I'm just giving some St. Charles people trouble for their mislead views on the city and other things.


Isn't that over-generalizing a little bit?



Not all people who live in St. Charles are from St. Charles and carry the same views.



I'm not from St. Charles (or even from this country), and am not aware of the stereotype surrounding St. Charles. It sounds rather harsh and derogatory considering it is simply where someone chooses to purchase a home.


Notice I said "SOME." 8) If you think what I said was quote "harsh" and "derogatory" you should hear what some of your conservative friends from "St. Chuck" have to say about the city :lol:
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PostAug 25, 2006#162

stlmizzoutiger wrote:Notice I said "SOME." 8) If you think what I said was quote "harsh" and "derogatory" you should hear what some of your conservative friends from "St. Chuck" have to say about the city :lol:


Oh believe me, it goes both ways. *heh* Actually, you'll find red-necks and hoosiers where ever you go. I've lived in south city for the last 17 years and we've had a few neighbors that fell into that classification. :lol: I have friends that won't cross either the Missouri or Mississippi river because they wouldn't be in St. Louis any longer. (or maybe it is something about crossing running water... that's a discussion for later)



We're building in New Town (we've got walls and maybe the roof goes on today), but we're planning on participating as a family in as many culturally diverse activities as possible, where ever they are. It opens doors for kids (and parents) to know about different things. One of the cool things going on in New Town is the amount of events the event coordinator arranges. I'm sure there is stuff that doesn't appeal to everybody, but there are enough events that work well for us (with a small child).



Have a great weekend!
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digitalcaffeine wrote:
stlmizzoutiger wrote:Notice I said "SOME." 8) If you think what I said was quote "harsh" and "derogatory" you should hear what some of your conservative friends from "St. Chuck" have to say about the city :lol:


Oh believe me, it goes both ways. *heh* Actually, you'll find red-necks and hoosiers where ever you go. I've lived in south city for the last 17 years and we've had a few neighbors that fell into that classification. :lol: I have friends that won't cross either the Missouri or Mississippi river because they wouldn't be in St. Louis any longer. (or maybe it is something about crossing running water... that's a discussion for later)



We're building in New Town (we've got walls and maybe the roof goes on today), but we're planning on participating as a family in as many culturally diverse activities as possible, where ever they are. It opens doors for kids (and parents) to know about different things. One of the cool things going on in New Town is the amount of events the event coordinator arranges. I'm sure there is stuff that doesn't appeal to everybody, but there are enough events that work well for us (with a small child).



Have a great weekend!


I think New Town is great. I just have a problem with some people who have a certain mindset that they refuse to let go of or at least reexamine when it comes to the city.
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PostAug 25, 2006#164

I grew up in a city (Halifax) and love city life. I like the bustle and the amount of options when it comes to food, activities, etc.



I know that some people do generalize about St. Louis, mainly about racial issues and crime. Every city has its bad areas, and it's sad to see a city get a bad reputation because of the ignorance of others.



But that is a subject for another post :)



I agree with Digital. New Town has a very nice assortment of activities, and (no matter where they are) cultural events and exposure is wonderful for the development of children, assuming that the parent/guardian allows them to be naturally inquisitive and open-minded.
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PostAug 25, 2006#165

stlmizzoutiger wrote:I think New Town is great. I just have a problem with some people who have a certain mindset that they refuse to let go of or at least reexamine when it comes to the city.


I would have to agree with you that people shouldn't just outright write off an area because of pre-conceived notions. The biggest problem I have with the city of St. Louis is the schools. It has been an issue for a long time. The school board hasn't been able to move positively in more than 30 years, IMO. The city itself either can't or won't help. Everybody seems to have an agenda, and the agenda usually doesn't put the kids at the top.



There was an article in the PD yesterday about one of the board members sending out a newsletter saying that the mayor is blocking tax money from going into the school's coffers in retribution for the superindent issue/election results. The article went on to explain that the money is tied up in escrow due to the large amount of people that have appealed their tax bills. But never let facts get in the way of the school board's reality.



What is really sad is that there is so much lost potential out there. There are lot of kids that are hungry for knowledge and the school board and the city have kept them from getting as good of an education as they can get or need to break whatever bounds poverty may place on them. I've definitely lost faith in trying to work through the system, as the political machine in the city doesn't seem to care what the citizens think. Don't even get me started on the alderman for ward 15 (where I live), who shall remain nameless.



Sorry for the rant. [/soapbox]
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PostAug 25, 2006#166

I hate this thread.



90% of it is the back and forth of real city people attacking the new faux urbanism that is New Town(e). I don't care about New Town(e), you want to live there...great. Can we stop with the endless debate? If you don't like New Town(e), don't post here. If you love it, continue to talk about the progress, I'm glad for you. But really, this thread would be about 2 pages long if posters here would get over the St. Chuck v. City discussion.
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digitalcaffeine wrote:
stlmizzoutiger wrote:I think New Town is great. I just have a problem with some people who have a certain mindset that they refuse to let go of or at least reexamine when it comes to the city.


I would have to agree with you that people shouldn't just outright write off an area because of pre-conceived notions. The biggest problem I have with the city of St. Louis is the schools. It has been an issue for a long time. The school board hasn't been able to move positively in more than 30 years, IMO. The city itself either can't or won't help. Everybody seems to have an agenda, and the agenda usually doesn't put the kids at the top.



There was an article in the PD yesterday about one of the board members sending out a newsletter saying that the mayor is blocking tax money from going into the school's coffers in retribution for the superindent issue/election results. The article went on to explain that the money is tied up in escrow due to the large amount of people that have appealed their tax bills. But never let facts get in the way of the school board's reality.



What is really sad is that there is so much lost potential out there. There are lot of kids that are hungry for knowledge and the school board and the city have kept them from getting as good of an education as they can get or need to break whatever bounds poverty may place on them. I've definitely lost faith in trying to work through the system, as the political machine in the city doesn't seem to care what the citizens think. Don't even get me started on the alderman for ward 15 (where I live), who shall remain nameless.



Sorry for the rant. [/soapbox]


You can blame it all on Veronica O'Brien. She is a big _____ and doesn't know _____ when it comes to the needs of St. Louis City school students. She has a personal agenda and vendetta that do not address the real problems and issues of the school district. Her conduct is irresponsible and quite pathetic for someone in her public position. I honestly think she deserves the threats she has gotten and I'm from West County (An area not affected by her wrath).
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trent wrote:I hate this thread.



90% of it is the back and forth of real city people attacking the new faux urbanism that is New Town(e). I don't care about New Town(e), you want to live there...great. Can we stop with the endless debate? If you don't like New Town(e), don't post here. If you love it, continue to talk about the progress, I'm glad for you. But really, this thread would be about 2 pages long if posters here would get over the St. Chuck v. City discussion.


Word!
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PostMay 07, 2007#169

I wonder what's going to happen. From the National Weather Service


Statement as of 11:15 AM CDT on May 07, 2007





The Flood Warning continues for

the Missouri River at St. Charles

* from Thursday morning until further notice.

* At 10am Monday the stage was 18.6 feet.

* Major flooding is forecast.

* Flood stage is 25.0 feet.

* Forecast... the river is expected to rise above flood stage by Thursday

morning and continue rising to near 36.8 feet by Monday evening.

* At 30.0 feet... Highway 94 at Matson begins to flood.

* At 33.0 feet... Highway 94 downstream of St. Charles floods.

* At 34.0 feet... Jerry Road at Highway 94 floods.

* At 35.0 feet... the levee at the Highway 370 bridge is overtopped.

* At 36.0 feet... St. Charles River Front businesses flood.

* At 37.0 feet... residences north of St Charles become cut off due

to flood waters.




They got something like 5 to 10 inches of rain around Kansas City and north of there. All of that water is going to be coming down the Missouri River here pretty soon.



As much as I dislike New Town, the last thing I want to see is people flooded out of their homes.
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PostMay 07, 2007#170

this region could use another "lesson," as much as i would really hate to see new town cut off, flooded, or otherwise impacted. i'm not as cold of a person as this sounds...though i think new town will be alright where it's at. i'm mainly speaking to other developments...infrastructure should be devoted to established vulnerable areas only...like downtown st. charles, etc., and other areas left as protective buffers to absorb the impact of flood waters.
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PostMay 08, 2007#171

from fox 2 news tonight. New Town has recently purchased 9 former st. louis street cars in hopes to have them renovated. The $30 million plan would include 500k/per to renovate the streetcars and the rest would go into a 7 mile loop that would connect New Town to historic Old St. Chuck. WOW!
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PostMay 08, 2007#172

I wonder how they expect to pay for all of that.
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PostMay 08, 2007#173

I wouldn't mind seeing Chesterfield Valley Strip Mall under water, but you never want to see people put out of their homes.



But here's my issue, it's times like this when we need to be much SMARTER about building in traditional flood plain areas. With our weather patterns becoming much more extreme and erratic, we're stupid if we think we can control it. Why don't we just try to build in areas where water won't be during a flood?
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PostMay 08, 2007#174

Risk assessment. The chances of a flood are rather low, thus no biggie.
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PostMay 08, 2007#175

true, that's what the levees are there for. And i know what someone's gonna say, "the levees broke last time, blah blah blah." ya but that's b/c it was a 1000yr flood and we only had 500yr flood levees or something like that. I have no problem what so ever with people building in the flood plain. As long as they are willing to pay for flood insurance and not expect to get bailed out when there is a flood.

Not sure if I feel the same way about people in California and the earthquakes.
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