Are you ranting about St. Louis or Nashville?
I am done with this town... one murder , and three house break-ins on my block in a week is insane.
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^If you don't mind me asking, what neighborhood do you live in? Bevo?
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At this stage in the game I think something that would go a very long way toward healing St. Louis's perception on the national stage would be passing more progressive measures with respect to minimum wage, rent control/public housing, and improved services/programs for city children K-12. Also decriminalize all non-violent crimes, and make court costs/fines much smaller.DogtownBnR wrote:Right this second, we have a huge problem, that goes well beyond the problems we've had in the past. In the past, County dwellers would continually say how unsafe the City is. Now, that perception is at an all - time high IMO. (At least since I've been old enough to care). I think the Ferguson fiasco significantly hurt our image on a national level. The images, the riots, the looting, the thugs and the burning buildings. Those images played out all over the country. We are not LA. We cannot overcome that as easy. We are not a metro of 18-20 million, with beaches and Hollywood. Then, we had a year with 159 murders in a city of 320K. That is not acceptable. Then we start out January 2015 with 14 murders already. We still have 10 days left in the month. CRIME is a MAJOR factor keeping people out of the City. Not to mention, I've seen numerous people on this forum say they are done with the City. I just don't recall seeing this level of crime in South St. Louis, which IMO is the epicenter of St. Louis, it's heart and soul. While Downtown and the Central Corridor are important, the Southside is where its at. This is where the unique hoods are. I've seen a scary spike in criminal activity from murders, to carjackings, smash & grabs, etc.. etc. The City 'might' be seeing crime stats going down (with the exception of murders), but the crimes we are seeing are bold, relentless and devoid of any consideration for life. Not to get to far off subject, CRIME is a major issue that is bringing us down, with regards to image. How can you attract young people, when out-of-towners come in for a weekend and hear about 6 murders in one night or see a shooting Downtown, in broad daylight, during the NLCS. While I do not usually panic or make rash decisions, based upon things like this, I will say this. Crime and the general lawlessness that has overtaken the City, is disturbing and must be stopped or people will continue to flee to burbs outside the City limits and even outside the metro area. If I was not a loyal lifer, I may consider a move, after all of this unrest and the major spike in violence here. If you want to fix our image nationally, fix our crime problem, the racial divide, the regional divide, continue with the efforts in the central corridor, continue building Downtown, rehabbing all empty buildings and continue with other efforts like the Arch grounds. These all help immensely, but if crime is in the news everyday, people will stay away. That simple. 6 murders in one night, COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE! How you fix that, I don't know. I do know, there is no overnight fix.
Pay for it with the money that'll supposedly be freed up once the Rams leave.
This will have the double effect of casting the City as a place looking to lead the region forward progressively and move on from our tumultuous 2014, while also directly addressing issues of poverty that lead to crime.
It won't solve the crime problem overnight, but as you said, nothing really will. We need to address the root causes of crime: poverty, lack of support for elementary and primary school-aged children, and a systematically racist law enforcement and criminal justice system.
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ranting about St. Louis and moving to Nashville?moorlander wrote:Are you ranting about St. Louis or Nashville?
Seems like dogtown's rant is misplaced and should have gone in the "Crime" thread.roger wyoming II wrote:ranting about St. Louis and moving to Nashville?moorlander wrote:Are you ranting about St. Louis or Nashville?
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I have it on excellent authority that people in Nashville complain about crime too, guys. If you're moving there, don't get your hopes up too much.
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^ I disagree somewhat. I think I did get off topic and rant, but the discussion was about ways to clean up our image and attract young professionals to STL. If you are talking about image, a good way to do that is to significantly reduce crime, so people are not scared to visit the City, much less move here. Also, I think getting off the 'Most Dangerous City" list would help as well. Even though that list is bogus, it does bring to light the fact that the City of St. Louis has way too much crime.
PS- I have been ranting about crime a lot lately because it is frustrating when you want the City to progress so bad, yet these criminals not only terrorize residents, keep people away, but also kill our image. I've seen a lot of stuff happen way too close to home lately. Guess it is fresh on the mind. As mentioned, I'm a South City lifer. It bothers me when a city with so much to offer, is falling behind cities like Nashville and KC. It should not be this way!
Last thing: Not meaning to make it seem as if crime is our only problem. Just one of the biggest issues on our plate as of today.
PS- I have been ranting about crime a lot lately because it is frustrating when you want the City to progress so bad, yet these criminals not only terrorize residents, keep people away, but also kill our image. I've seen a lot of stuff happen way too close to home lately. Guess it is fresh on the mind. As mentioned, I'm a South City lifer. It bothers me when a city with so much to offer, is falling behind cities like Nashville and KC. It should not be this way!
Last thing: Not meaning to make it seem as if crime is our only problem. Just one of the biggest issues on our plate as of today.
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http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/26/79191 ... -charlotte
Nashville set to get Google Fiber, along with Raleigh, Charlotte, and Atlanta
Nashville set to get Google Fiber, along with Raleigh, Charlotte, and Atlanta
NyTimes - Nashville’s Skyline Being Rebuilt by Building Boom
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/14/reale ... -boom.htmlMore than 100 new projects, together valued at more than $2 billion, are underway in Nashville or planned to start next year, according to city figures. Most of the big projects — four hotels, five office buildings and eight high-rise residential towers with a total value of $1.5 billion — are in the downtown core, a number rising on former parking lots, according to the Nashville Downtown Partnership, a business development group.
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I don't think it's a coincidence, that Nashville and Austin, 2 of the most booming cities right now, have booming music scenes. A strong music scene attracts young people and creates a cool factor that makes marketing a city very easy. It doesn't hurt that tons of celebrities in the industry call Nashville home. I felt like STL had a cool factor of sorts, when our music scene was voted one of the best in the nation 20 years ago, by Rolling Stone. Back then The Urge, Gravity Kills, Stir, Sunvolt and others, could be seen playing at clubs like the Galaxy, Mississippi Nights and others, nightly. Hopefully, the addition of the Blues Museum helps our music scene. I'd also like to see some more music clubs open. Clubs that stand the test of time. The long proposed Chouteau's Landing, would be the perfect gritty place, to rehab and open clubs. A place that resembles Wash. Ave in it's infancy, would be cool.
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^I don't know about that. There exists another coincidence between these two cities that isn't very popular on this website.
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^ Do tell.... I think I know what your going to say...
Here is a good article, discussing Columbus Ohio reps visit to Nashville. Good stuff:
Read more here: http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/art ... rylink=cpy
Here is a good article, discussing Columbus Ohio reps visit to Nashville. Good stuff:
Read more here: http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/art ... rylink=cpy
Another reason for Nashville’s success is that its leaders have been able to get the communities and counties that surround it to buy into the Nashville identity, so the entire metropolitan area is branded, presented and sold as Nashville.
I've pointed out both cities are state capitals and been yelled at. Is it that or something else?sirshankalot wrote:^I don't know about that. There exists another coincidence between these two cities that isn't very popular on this website.
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Yes, the capital city thing is it. Minny-St.Paul, Columbus, Nashville, Austin, Indy, ATL.....
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Maybe state capitals with cool music scenes are the secret spice.
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I would guess and this is just a guess, that these 2 cities lack the "diversity" that we have in cities like, say, St. Louis, Memphis and Detroit. Did I guess correctly? 
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I already answered....DogtownBnR wrote:I would guess and this is just a guess, that these 2 cities lack the "diversity" that we have in cities like, say, St. Louis, Memphis and Detroit. Did I guess correctly?
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I have a bunch of friends there, and none of them like Nashville. I'm fine with it, but it's no St. Louis, unless you love country music I guess. I think it succeeds because it's culturally Southern, and it's one of the most appealing Southern cities, which is sort of like being the best Christian rock band. I have yet to meet a Yankee who prefers Nashville to St. Louis.
I can't remember but a few people seemed really irritated with my pointing out those cities being state capitals. I want say to one person called it "lazy".moorlander wrote:Why would you be yelled at for that?
You just stepped on the third rail. We can't talk about that.DogtownBnR wrote:I would guess and this is just a guess, that these 2 cities lack the "diversity" that we have in cities like, say, St. Louis, Memphis and Detroit. Did I guess correctly?
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^ I think on that first part, being a state capital is an advantage and especially so for those that are home to big flagship state colleges... so Austin, Columbus and Twin Cities sort of hit a home run. (I'm sure there's others but those are the ones that come to mind... Boston and Atlanta are among those that do quite nicely with an accumulation of numerous colleges although lacking a state flaghip.)
^^ On that second part; I'll talk about it. And I don't buy the premise.... more on that later.
^^ On that second part; I'll talk about it. And I don't buy the premise.... more on that later.





