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PostSep 20, 2023#501

American Gerontocracy: Which States Have the Oldest Elected Officials?https://www.culturalcurrents.institute/insights/politician-ages
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PostSep 21, 2023#502

I feel like the intergenerational brain drain among capitalists has gotten so severe that the current generation of failsons is considered too stupid to be given power (e.g. Hunter Biden, Trump Jr.), so their parents are holding on. Or maybe the parents are too stupid to realize they should move on (e.g. Joe Biden, Donald Trump). Either way, a troubling trend.

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PostSep 21, 2023#503

I thinks it’s just rock paper scissors dilemma. GOP won’t drop Trump, so Dems hang onto the only guy who beat Trump. Any other GOP contender beats Biden, but the game doesn’t play that matchup.


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PostSep 21, 2023#504

I don't care that Josh Hawley and Eric Schmitt are (slightly) younger than I am. 


I'd take a 75 or 80 year old Senator who isn't back in the stone ages ideologically. 

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PostSep 22, 2023#505

^Amen. I'm not concerned with the age of the candidate any more than I am their gender, ethnicity, or religious practices. I care about their policies, and this is pretty much all.

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PostSep 22, 2023#506

symphonicpoet wrote:
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^Amen. I'm not concerned with the age of the candidate any more than I am their gender, ethnicity, or religious practices. I care about their policies, and this is pretty much all.
I would argue you should care about their ethics first, ideology second, and effectiveness third.  Everything else, not at all.

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PostSep 23, 2023#507

STLEnginerd wrote:
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symphonicpoet wrote:
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^Amen. I'm not concerned with the age of the candidate any more than I am their gender, ethnicity, or religious practices. I care about their policies, and this is pretty much all.
I would argue you should care about their ethics first, ideology second, and effectiveness third.  Everything else, not at all.
If they had any ethics they wouldn't be allowed to run in the first place.

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PostSep 23, 2023#508

STLEnginerd wrote:
Sep 22, 2023
symphonicpoet wrote:
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^Amen. I'm not concerned with the age of the candidate any more than I am their gender, ethnicity, or religious practices. I care about their policies, and this is pretty much all.
I would argue you should care about their ethics first, ideology second, and effectiveness third.  Everything else, not at all.
Their policies are their ethics and ideologies put into practice. I figure that's the best gauge. Think of it as a watch what they do, not what they say sort of approach. Though at the end of the day you do have to be at least a bit practical. I often (always?) find myself voting for people with whom I disagree at least in part, if I figure they're more likely to caucus on the correct side of the aisle, thus getting more good people in leadership positions where I don't get a direct vote. And I include my friends who have run for office in that. Ain't none of us perfect. I don't even agree with all of my own positions from the past. (Glorious thing that: learning. I used to be very much a "heal the grid" kind of urbanist. These days, not so much. Three months driving, walking, and riding trains in England made me see the narrow, ungridy, traffic circled light.) Anyway . . . back to your regularly scheduled $#!&storm.

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symphonicpoet wrote:
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Their policies are their ethics and ideologies put into practice.
I struggle with this.  A person can support a policy which is effectively given to them by ther party, but be a despicable human in every way.  To me i would rather vote for people i respectfully disagree with over someone who supports my position but is a crook.

I avoiding naming specific politicians but there are examples on both sides of the aisle i would happily see dumped even if it gives the race to someone to who i am not aligned with policy wise.  

I am not a cynic about politics.  I think most are in it for a mish-mash of good intentions and self serving motivations.  The temptation to yield to the later is always there and probably difficult to ignore considering the actual direct compensation give to elected persons.   Still, there are plenty of examples of disqualifying actions regardless of current policy positions.  Many of them are explicit crimes.

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PostOct 17, 2023#510

Honestly, I would have thought it would have been higher...
Fewer Than 10 Percent of Missouri Voters Say 'Missour-uh,' Poll Finds
The poll, commissioned by SLU/YouGov, found that only 9.5 percent of likely voters in Missouri opted for "Missour-uh" instead of "Missour-ee."

Even the pollsters were surprised. MISSOURI NEWS
Fewer Than 10 Percent of Missouri Voters Say 'Missour-uh,' Poll Finds
More politicians than actual voters may be using the down-home pronunciation at this point
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There's increasingly just one way to say it: Missour-ee.
Memo to Josh Hawley: Next time you're pretending you're one of us, no need to slip into the "Missour-uh" pronunciation. After all, a new poll shows only a small percentage of locals do.
The poll, commissioned by SLU/YouGov, found that only 9.5 percent of likely voters in Missouri opted for "Missour-uh" instead of "Missour-ee."
Even the pollsters were surprised.
“After growing up in Missouri, I was surprised so few Missouri voters used the Missour-uh pronunciation,” Steven Rogers, SLU/YouGov Poll director and associate professor of political science at Saint Louis University, said in a press release. “Using Missour-uh appears to be partly generational. Sixteen percent of voters who are 65 years old or older said Missour-uh, but only 3 percent of voters below the age of 29 said Missour-uh.”
"Missouri-uh" — or, as we've long spelt it at the RFT, "Missourah" — has long been associated with the state's rural politicians, and the poll found that 15 percent of voters in northwest Missouri used that pronunciation. Surprisingly, though, 6 percent of St. Louis voters did as well. The use is also associated with conservative voters, perhaps because Republicans now dominate rural Missouri. And, indeed, the poll found that “very conservative” or “conservative” voters were approximately 4.5 percent more likely to say Missour-uh than “very liberal” or “liberal voters."
https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/fewer-than-10-percent-of-missouri-voters-say-missour-uh-poll-finds-41069010

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PostOct 21, 2023#511

Supreme Court To Hear Landmark Missouri v. Biden Censorship Case
https://public.substack.com/p/victory-supreme-court-to-hear-landmark

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PostOct 22, 2023#512

The Supreme Court also granted the Biden administration’s motion to stay the injunction until it can hear the case later this year or next. As a result, US government employees are no longer prohibited from communicating to social media companies, as they had been by the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals. This resulted in a dissenting opinion by Supreme Court justices Samuel Alito, Neil Gorush, and Clarence Thomas.


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PostOct 25, 2023#513

Missouri Republicans call for investigation of Dean Plocher, raise idea of resignation
Missouri House Speaker Dean Plocher is facing calls for his resignation from his fellow Republicans after it was revealed Monday that he filed false expense reports with the legislature to be personally reimbursed for travel already paid for by his campaign.
Plocher, a Republican from Des Peres, chalked up the situation to “administrative errors,” vowing to review all of his expenses and reimburse any money he was wrongly paid over the years. He began writing checks to the House last week.
“Missourians deserve complete transparency and accountability from their elected representatives, which I’ve delivered and will continue to deliver as speaker,” Plocher said in a statement posted on social media.
A day after The Independent’s story about Plocher’s expense reports, prominent Republicans began calling for a formal inquiry — and suggesting it could cost Plocher his job. 
“The allegations against the speaker of the House are significant and serious,” Secretary of State Jay Ashcroft, a GOP candidate for governor, posted on social media. “I call on the legislature to swiftly investigate and, if proven, to take action to protect the integrity of the House of Representatives and the people’s money.”
Will Scharf, a Republican candidate for attorney general, was the first to speak up Tuesday, posting on social media that the allegations against Plocher of “unethical double dipping should be deeply troubling to all Missourians who care about cleaning up Jefferson City.” 
Scharf donated to Plocher’s campaign last year, chipping in two donations totaling $1,500.
“Speaker Plocher owes Missouri taxpayers an explanation,” Scharf said, “and if he can’t provide one he should resign.”
State Sen. Bill Eigel, a Weldon Spring Republican and candidate for governor, said in an emailed statement that when people say “throw the bums out” they are “thinking about politicians like Dean Plocher.”
https://missouriindependent.com/2023/10/24/missouri-republicans-dean-plocher-investigaiton-resignation/

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PostOct 25, 2023#514

^Surprised no one tried to blame this on Biden yet

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PostOct 30, 2023#515

Wesley Bell has decided to challenge Cori Bush for the 1st District Congressional seat.
St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney Wesley Bell said Monday he is ending his campaign for U.S. Senate, and will instead challenge U.S. Rep. Cori Bush in next year’s Democratic primary in the 1st Congressional District. “With the world in a dangerous place, we need steady and effective leadership,” Bell said. “And we’re not getting it.”
Bell said he decided to switch races at the urging of Democrats who said “we need you in Washington, but St. Louis needs you in the House of Representatives.”
Bell made his surprise announcement at a press conference Monday morning at The SoulFisher Ministries, a Normandy-based nonprofit.

The contest will pit two veterans of the Ferguson unrest in 2014 against each other: Bush was an activist who helped lead protests; and Bell was elected to the Ferguson city council in 2015. Bush’s campaign did not respond to requests for comment on Bell’s candidacy.

The 1st Congressional District, which includes all of St. Louis and much of north St. Louis County, is solidly Democratic and about 50% African American. A Republican hasn’t represented the district in more than 50 years.  Bell’s withdrawal from a four-person Democratic primary, which will pick a challenger to Republican U.S. Sen. Josh Hawley, is a move that has been frequently discussed recently in political circles — but not necessarily predicted to actually happen.

The talk of challenging Bush — a high-profile member of a group of progressive Democrats nicknamed “The Squad” — began picking up steam in early 2023, when questions about her campaign management surfaced.
In April, ethics complaints were filed after Bush’s campaign continued to employ Cortney Merritts III as a security specialist after he and Bush were married in February. One of the complaints was dismissed last week by the Office of Congressional Ethics, Bush’s office said.

Also, recent campaign reports show that the Bush campaign is cash-strapped and running in the red — in debt about $130,000, with less than $20,000 in cash on hand.
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/column/joe-holleman/wesley-bell-to-challenge-cori-bush-for-1st-congressional-district-seat/article_ac3760ce-772b-11ee-a926-dfb64617dd76.html#tracking-source=home-top-story

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PostOct 30, 2023#516

airforceguy1 wrote:Wesley Bell has decided to challenge Cori Bush for the 1st District Congressional seat.
St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney Wesley Bell said Monday he is ending his campaign for U.S. Senate, and will instead challenge U.S. Rep. Cori Bush in next year’s Democratic primary in the 1st Congressional District. “With the world in a dangerous place, we need steady and effective leadership,” Bell said. “And we’re not getting it.”
Bell said he decided to switch races at the urging of Democrats who said “we need you in Washington, but St. Louis needs you in the House of Representatives.”
Bell made his surprise announcement at a press conference Monday morning at The SoulFisher Ministries, a Normandy-based nonprofit.

The contest will pit two veterans of the Ferguson unrest in 2014 against each other: Bush was an activist who helped lead protests; and Bell was elected to the Ferguson city council in 2015. Bush’s campaign did not respond to requests for comment on Bell’s candidacy.

The 1st Congressional District, which includes all of St. Louis and much of north St. Louis County, is solidly Democratic and about 50% African American. A Republican hasn’t represented the district in more than 50 years.  Bell’s withdrawal from a four-person Democratic primary, which will pick a challenger to Republican U.S. Sen. Josh Hawley, is a move that has been frequently discussed recently in political circles — but not necessarily predicted to actually happen.

The talk of challenging Bush — a high-profile member of a group of progressive Democrats nicknamed “The Squad” — began picking up steam in early 2023, when questions about her campaign management surfaced.
In April, ethics complaints were filed after Bush’s campaign continued to employ Cortney Merritts III as a security specialist after he and Bush were married in February. One of the complaints was dismissed last week by the Office of Congressional Ethics, Bush’s office said.

Also, recent campaign reports show that the Bush campaign is cash-strapped and running in the red — in debt about $130,000, with less than $20,000 in cash on hand.
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/column/joe-holleman/wesley-bell-to-challenge-cori-bush-for-1st-congressional-district-seat/article_ac3760ce-772b-11ee-a926-dfb64617dd76.html#tracking-source=home-top-story
This move makes sense to me. Cori Bush is probably as vulnerable as she has been since she took office. Here comments on Israel really landed her in hot water.

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PostOct 31, 2023#517

Disgusting, I'll never vote for Wesley Bell again. Disappointed that he's pro-apartheid and pro-genocide.

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PostOct 31, 2023#518

MarkHaversham wrote:Disgusting, I'll never vote for Wesley Bell again. Disappointed that he's pro-apartheid and pro-genocide.
Of course WB has never stated he’s “pro-apartheid and pro genocide”. I’m sure nearly all of us here understand that.

Anyway, I’m more concerned to hear what his ambitions are for the 1st district than his foreign policy.

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PostOct 31, 2023#519

I'm thrilled to see Bell go against Bush. Looking forward to giving him my vote. Only caveat is that he's done a great job as Prosecutor; it would be a shame to see him leave that position. I'm also slightly worried about his apparent wishy-washiness as regards to his own career path.  

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PostOct 31, 2023#520

framer wrote:I'm thrilled to see Bell go against Bush. Looking forward to giving him my vote. Only caveat is that he's done a great job as Prosecutor; it would be a shame to see him leave that position. I'm also slightly worried about his apparent wishy-washiness as regards to his own career path.  
My bet is the DNC pressured him. They want to put all their chips on Kunce to get rid of Hawley. And Bush might be falling out of favor.

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PostOct 31, 2023#521

She's almost entirely out of cash. Only $19,000 on hand, but has outstanding debt of $130,000. (Source: https://missouriindependent.com/briefs/ ... cori-bush/). So is she just not fundraising at all? Are donors not supporting her at all? Yes, our political system is broken when campaign finances matter, but it's still a warning light of sorts that her campaign isn't in good financial shape. Someone was going to challenge her in the primary, so regardless of if it was Bell or someone else, I think she was at risk regardless.. 

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PostOct 31, 2023#522

How much of this is pressure from Boeing? She voted down defense spending twice.

Anyway, I’m quite happy with Ms. Bush’s representation in Congress and if Bell is offering to go play nice with the nazis that use an elephant as their mascot and be an Israel fanboy, he can rest assured that he won’t be getting my vote.

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PostOct 31, 2023#523

I’m certain WB just saw an easier opportunity for a promotion since Cori Bush’s campaign finances are a disaster and she’s had a good amount of negative publicity.

I just hope if Bell takes the seat, he can actually get some wins for the 1st district. I don’t think we’ve had a representative who’s effective at doing that in decades.

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PostOct 31, 2023#524

Missouri jury finds NAR, brokerages guilty of conspiring to inflate commissions
https://www.housingwire.com/articles/missouri-jury-finds-nar-brokerages-guilty-of-conspiring-to-inflate-commissions/

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PostOct 31, 2023#525

Debaliviere91 wrote:
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MarkHaversham wrote:Disgusting, I'll never vote for Wesley Bell again. Disappointed that he's pro-apartheid and pro-genocide.
Of course WB has never stated he’s “pro-apartheid and pro genocide”. I’m sure nearly all of us here understand that.

Anyway, I’m more concerned to hear what his ambitions are for the 1st district than his foreign policy.
He stated he supports an apartheid state. You're making a distinction without a difference.

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