brickandmortar wrote:I bet the incentives had a lot to do with them choosing Belleville International.
You think? At $100,000 for 20 flights with 198 seats a flight, they're getting at least $25 a passenger. St. Clair County better at least make sure the tour bus makes a stop for beers in Belleville or something.
If the package tour flights to Ireland from MidAmerica click, then it's likely the flights will expand to include flights to Germany via Shannon, Nay said.
Although I will not have the opportunity to use the upcoming passenger service, I'm glad to see MidAmerica-St. Louis getting some additional passenger service! Still, I can get on a cheap flight to Vegas fom there!
MidAmerica links to a broken website. This just seems shady as HELL. Who's the carrier? Is the flight direct? Why at MidAmerican and not Lambert? All questions they can't answer ON THEIR OWN PAGE? Yeah - I'll pay for a real flight thanks.
Sorry I can't read every single media source across the country on all topics St. Louis. Forgive me for wanting information to be readily available at the source site. What was I thinking?
And it's nice to see moderators don't have to follow their own "no personal attacks" rule. Crap, that's why I got booted in the first place. Here comes my third & final warning
matguy70 wrote:migueltejada: I hope you live your life in a more happy and positive outlook than you do on these boards. It gets old after awhile.
migueltejada wrote:And it's nice to see moderators don't have to follow their own "no personal attacks" rule. Crap, that's why I got booted in the first place. Here comes my third & final warning.
I don't know. It seems to me like he (matguy) is picking a fight for no apparent reason. All you did was express some skepticism because the weblink didn't work. I would be pretty skeptical of flying to Ireland on some airline that doesn't even have a website. Truthfully, we all judge businesses and organizations by the quality of their website. This is no different and hardly endemic of an unhappy life.
Just post info - take time to read and if you want to "verify" - take the time to do it! Don't post statements like:
MidAmerica links to a broken website. This just seems shady as HELL. Who's the carrier? Is the flight direct? Why at MidAmerican and not Lambert? All questions they can't answer ON THEIR OWN PAGE? Yeah - I'll pay for a real flight thanks.
I posted information that was made available to me. If you think t is "shaddy"... then call and find out the information like I did.
JMedwick wrote:I would be pretty skeptical of flying to Ireland on some airline that doesn't even have a website. Truthfully, we all judge businesses and organizations by the quality of their website.
I'm with you. It's odd that they have a FAQ section on the Mid-America site but don't actually answer the questions. Especially when it comes to an entity like an airport, it's reassuring to see a web site that looks both professional and "official." And is Kenny Tours an airline or a travel agency? Sounds like a travel agency, so who flies the planes? Very suspect. I'll fly American again the next time I go to the Emerald Isle.
matguy70 wrote:Not picking a fight - really don't care.
Just post info - take time to read and if you want to "verify" - take the time to do it! Don't post statements like:
MidAmerica links to a broken website. This just seems shady as HELL. Who's the carrier? Is the flight direct? Why at MidAmerican and not Lambert? All questions they can't answer ON THEIR OWN PAGE? Yeah - I'll pay for a real flight thanks.
I posted information that was made available to me. If you think t is "shaddy"... then call and find out the information like I did.
I applaud you, because you're part of the 1% of people who call websites that say to call when they have no info on them. Generally, if people can't get the information they're looking for in 3 clicks, they navagate away from the website. I only got as far as 2 clicks before I was met with a page with no information.
Rule of thumb to people with businesses out there - if your website isn't ready for traffic - DON'T PUBLISH IT!
DeBaliviere wrote:Sounds like a travel agency, so who flies the planes?
According to this article, the air travel will be on 757's with North American Airlines, which is owned by the same parent company as ATA and seems to do mostly charter business.
Edit to add that the 757 is "bearable" for domestic travel but there is no way I could possibly stand to stay on one for an entire transatlantic flight.
ben1040 wrote:Edit to add that the 757 is "bearable" for domestic travel but there is no way I could possibly stand to stay on one for an entire transatlantic flight.
Northwest uses B757-200s to fly from Hartford Bradley (BDL) to Amsterdam, but then again Hartford is closer to Europe than STL is. I think the B757 will not have problems flying from STL to Shannon as long as it flies over towards Nova Scotia then to down to Ireland. However, heading to STL I don't think it can make it with the cross winds.
DeBaliviere wrote:Sounds like a travel agency, so who flies the planes?
According to this article, the air travel will be on 757's with North American Airlines, which is owned by the same parent company as ATA and seems to do mostly charter business.
Edit to add that the 757 is "bearable" for domestic travel but there is no way I could possibly stand to stay on one for an entire transatlantic flight.
This notion always gets me. You essentially have the same amount of personal space on a 757 as you would on a 747 or 777 in economy seating. A widebody aircraft simply adds more people and an additional aisle for economy passengers. The cabin may 'feel' larger, but the amount of space you have alloted for yourself is identical.
DeBaliviere wrote:Sounds like a travel agency, so who flies the planes?
According to this article, the air travel will be on 757's with North American Airlines, which is owned by the same parent company as ATA and seems to do mostly charter business.
Edit to add that the 757 is "bearable" for domestic travel but there is no way I could possibly stand to stay on one for an entire transatlantic flight.
This notion always gets me. You essentially have the same amount of personal space on a 757 as you would on a 747 or 777 in economy seating. A widebody aircraft simply adds more people and an additional aisle for economy passengers. The cabin may 'feel' larger, but the amount of space you have alloted for yourself is identical.
Sort of. There is a lot more overhead space per person in the 777 as well. On those long trips, people tend to bring more stuff on board, and invariably some winds up having to go on the floor, restricting space, whereas I've never been in a 777 whose overhead storage maxed out. Otherwise, unless the 757 is upgraded, the amenities like TVs at the seats make a big difference, and the widebodies tend to load and unload faster. I dread short-haul flights on 757s because the boarding process is such a bottleneck.
Billkn wrote:
This notion always gets me. You essentially have the same amount of personal space on a 757 as you would on a 747 or 777 in economy seating. A widebody aircraft simply adds more people and an additional aisle for economy passengers. The cabin may 'feel' larger, but the amount of space you have alloted for yourself is identical.
Eh, as the poster above me noted, it's a psychological thing from a bigger cabin. The space that you physically occupy may be the same, but in a widebody the walls seem further away from you and that means a lot to some people.
Getting back on point, however, I'm happy to get ANY more use out of MidAmerica, even if it's just charter flights.
A charter flight option is much better than nothing! I was hoping it might be a cheap option to connect to London or beyond, but not the case here.
I assume that these charter flights are targeting Americans to fly to Shannon. It would be nice to see charter flight packages bringing foreigners to St. Louis.
Flights out of MidAmerica St. Louis Airport to Shannon, Ireland will not take off this summer as proposed, according to information from the Tourism Bureau of Southwestern Illinois.
Deirdre Kenny, owner of Maryland-based Kenny Tours, cited several economic factors for the change in plans, mainly difficulty in securing a carrier, the weak dollar and higher fuel prices.
Kenny Tours also suffered a financial loss after tour operators in Ireland, who originally agreed to buy 25 percent of the flight seats, offered to pay for 5 percent of the seats come contract time.
Unknowing persons going to and from MidAmerica Airport via MetroLink are in for a rude awakening. MetroLink ends at the Shiloh-Scott station, a "fer piece" short of MidAmerica.
Of course, plans for an extension are in place, but no funds are yet available. It could take many years before the final link in the system is complete.
Why is such a link important? Because someone arriving from Vegas or Orlando doesn't currently have many transportation options upon arriving at MidAmerica. There are no big car rental places and no taxis waiting out front. These visitors need access to MetroLink, which connects to both the new St Louis Transportation Center and Lambert.
Currently, travelers arriving at Mid-America are left with one choice: Hoof it all the way to Rte 4 (not a short stroll), and wait there for the occasional bus that comes by from Lebanon. Then take this bus southbound, as it makes stops in Mascoutah, then finally heads to Shiloh-Scott. But who has the time and patience for that?
The solution to this problem is simple: The airport and MetroLink need to team up and provide a shuttle service between MidAmerica's terminal to the Shiloh-Scott station. If cost is a factor (which I'm sure it is), charge people a buck or two. (Who wouldn't mind paying a small fee for the convenience?) I can't believe such a shuttle doesn't already exist!
Actually, the ease of parking and short walk to the security checkpoint is what sold me on flying to Vegas out of MidAmerica rather than Lambert. It's quick and simple. When you're catching a flight out, you don't have to get to MidAmerica nearly as early as you do at other other airports.