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PostJan 15, 2022#326

BLV numbers October

Passengers
Up 30% over October 2020 (OCT 2020 was higher than OCT 2019)
Up 48% YTD over 2020
Up 3% YTD over 2019

Loads
PIE 85.5%
SFB 88%
LAS 77%
PGD 76.5%
VPS 71.5%
SRQ 58% - I haven't figured out this route. It never really does all that well, except for about 3 months a year, but they keep it around. Even running it 3x a week for the first time next March.
CHS - 47.5 - back after taking the 2 previous months off.. weird timing
FLL 44.5% - back after taking most of September off

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PostJan 15, 2022#327

^ As someone who frequently travels to Sarasota, there are two reasons that I don't use SRQ all that often. First, the schedule on Allegiant makes it impossible to take a weekend trip without taking some time off from work. PIE and PGD usually have better weekend flight schedules on G4. Second is price, SRQ is typically more expensive than the other nearby airports, in terms of airfare and rental cars. 

I don't think the loads from STL - SRQ on WN are much better than G4s? Really hoping they don't drop the route as it's a super easy airport to access and use.

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PostJan 16, 2022#328

pdm_ad wrote:
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^ As someone who frequently travels to Sarasota, there are two reasons that I don't use SRQ all that often. First, the schedule on Allegiant makes it impossible to take a weekend trip without taking some time off from work. PIE and PGD usually have better weekend flight schedules on G4. Second is price, SRQ is typically more expensive than the other nearby airports, in terms of airfare and rental cars. 

I don't think the loads from STL - SRQ on WN are much better than G4s? Really hoping they don't drop the route as it's a super easy airport to access and use.
Thru October

Southwest is at 74% since it started. It’s been decent. One or two months that were iffy. It was over 80% in October

Allegiant is at 65.5% on the year. But that includes Jan/Feb that were still getting hit by covid pretty good. So that probably brings it down a point or two.

PostJan 21, 2022#329

Read thru the BLV meeting notes from December. A lot of good stuff in them that is worth reading if you are interested.

What I thought were highlights.

Focused on east and west coast for new routes.
Potential routes mentioned in different places throughout PDX, AUS, BNA, DEN, Houston, LAX, SNA, SAN, BWI
Said no to Chicago. It is too close.

At current average fare of $52 the break even load is 68%
At $80 it goes down to 55%
No concerns on issues with loads/pricing apparently.

Talked about how their biggest competition is other Allegiant cities. They have to prove they deserve a route more than someone else and they will make more money on it. Example given was LAS-EUG vs BLV-BWI. Route might work for both but if they only have one plane available they will pick the one with less risk.

BLV costs for airlines is 15% of that at STL. They did a cost analysis for F9 and they would save 2.5 mil a year if they moved to BLV. Also, said frontier isn’t going to move but at some point the ULCCs might start to consider it.

Crew base talk. They have been meeting with Allegiant about it. It would be needed to open up routes to west coast cities without a base. The airport has presented G4 with plans and potential schedules. Up to 12 flights a day.
They hope to get it finalized this year but covid could push it back.

Talked about the Viva/Allegiant joint partnership. Said they need to get a bigger customs area in order. Some of the destinations they get into with this I think they looked it at wrong. They are saying 15 Mexican destinations by 2031 and that is definitely not how I saw the filing. CUN, PVR, SJD are the ones they seem to feel good about though. Those 3 were also mentioned in the meeting today apparently about being started by 2023/24. I’m still a little skeptical on anything besides Cancun. I’ll have to go back and read thru the filing again.

States that 60% of passengers originate from here. 40% are visitors from somewhere else. They say that’s abnormally high to have 40% coming from elsewhere. It is a higher number than I would have guessed.

Expect 360,000 passengers this year. That’s a 40k (12.5%) jump over 2021.

Entire document
https://337o3y2ky46c3a240z2z8o22-wpengi ... -16-21.pdf

Also the county chairman tweeted out some updates from the meeting today.
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PostJan 21, 2022#330

Haven't flown out of MidAmerica yet, mostly because the location outweighs the savings in a way, but I'm glad they're starting to see an uptick in designations. Now, if only Breeze Airways could serve the airport, it would be even busier. And, why not, get Viva Aerobus too. 

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PostJan 21, 2022#331

It’s great that BLV is stable and growing. I look forward to seeing it continue alongside Metro East!

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PostJan 21, 2022#332

Good stuff JShank, thanks for sharing. 

I love using BLV for the fact that I can park my car, walk 100-150 yards and I am at my gate. No shuttles to wait on, no long terminal walks.

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PostJan 21, 2022#333

Any idea about the timeframe of MetroLink coming to BLV?

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PostJan 21, 2022#334

Should open in Spring of 2025 according to a post in the MetroLink Expansion thread.

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PostFeb 11, 2022#335

November numbers for midamerica
Passengers
Month
Up 42% over 2020
Up 27% over 2019

Year to date
Up 48% over 2020
Up 4.6% over 2019

Loads
St. Pete 89.5%
Punta Gorda 86.5%
Orlando 81%
Destin 75%
Vegas 69.5%
Sarasota 61%
Fort Laud 57%
Charleston 48%

PostFeb 25, 2022#336

Midamerica is doing a feasibility study on expanding their FIS to be able to accept commercial flights from international locations.

Basically because of the expected ViavAerobus future flights.

PostMar 13, 2022#337

Final 2021 passenger numbers BLV are out

A new record for the airport!

318,802 passengers 5% increase from 2019 of 303,801

PostMar 15, 2022#338

BLV applied again for the small community air service development program grant.

Everything is directly from the application except the last part with my thoughts

They are asking for 490K to add a base and eight new routes.

BLV is up to 4.1% of the PDEW market share in the region.

Targeted routes are the same as last year but have added Austin and apparently New Orleans.
It is a tad confusing in the wording.
Map - SNA/LAX (no MSY)
Text - LAX/MSY (no SNA)
Aircraft usage chart - has all of them
So I don't know if it is LAX and SNA as one or what it should be because it lists 8 destinations throughout.
Full list - AUS/BWI/EWR/DEN/OAK/LAX/SNA/SAN/MSY



The Airport envisions the base evolving over time. Initially, one aircraft would be based at MidAmerica St. Louis. In the second year of the base, it is anticipated Allegiant would base a second aircraft at the Airport. Using the first aircraft, Allegiant could add service to four initial markets: Baltimore, Denver, Los Angeles, and Newark. In this scenario, Baltimore, Los Angeles and Newark would each be served three times per week, while Denver would be served twice per week.

The based aircraft could also help Allegiant expand service to existing markets. There would be enough aircraft time available for Allegiant to add a third weekly trip to Las Vegas with the first aircraft, even after adding four new nonstop markets (refer to the red highlighted frequencies in chart 9).

In all, the one based aircraft would grow MidAmerica St. Louis Airport’s weekly departures by 12 flights, or 25% (refer to chart 9). With just one based aircraft added to current schedules, MidAmerica St. Louis would see 60 departures per week, with as many as 10 daily departures on peak days, including Thursday, Saturday, and Sunday.



A second based aircraft would allow Allegiant to add four more nonstop markets. The second aircraft could be used to add flights to Austin, New Orleans, Oakland, and San Diego (refer to the red highlighted frequencies chart 10). Austin could be served three times per week while all other markets are served twice per week. The second based aircraft would add another 11 departures per week, and bring total nonstop cities served from MidAmerica St. Louis Airport to 20. That service pattern would provide substantial, coast-to-coast competition to the carriers serving Lambert Airport resulting in lower fares.

With two based aircraft, Allegiant would grow MidAmerica St. Louis Airport’s weekly departures by 23 flights, or 48% (refer to chart 10 on the previous page). With both based aircraft added to current schedules, MidAmerica St. Louis would see 73 departures per week, with as many as 12 daily departures on the peak days of Thursday and Sunday.

Many of these routes have a relatively long length-of-haul making them difficult to operate with crew restrictions that some low cost airlines have. For example, Allegiant does not overnight crews at outstations – all crews end their duty day back at their base. From a base like Los Angeles, a crew could fly two roundtrips on shorter west coast routes, rather than one roundtrip to St. Louis. But with a St. Louis base, crews could be mixed across the St. Louis network with more flexibility, making the cost of operating longer routes less prohibitive.



Breakdown of money
Start up costs 300K
Advertising/Marketing 350K
Total 650k (160k from local, 490k from grant)

The Airport and its partners have already started discussions with Allegiant about the potential to develop a base at MidAmerica St. Louis Airport and about the targeted expansion. The Airport has met, in person, with Allegiant planners four times in the last nine months. It also conducts a weekly call with Allegiant representatives to discuss ongoing expansion plans in the St. Louis market.

Because Allegiant is familiar with the business plan, the Airport anticipates completing an agreement for additional service by the fall of 2022 (refer to chart 13). The Airport is targeting spring of 2023 as a start date for the first new route launch, with more new routes being rolled out over a period of two years. On this timeline, the Airport would close this Grant award by spring of 2025.



An Allegiant letter of support is included.

Side thought by me: They play this thing out smartly, assuming it was on purpose. They did a good job looking at qualifications and present the data accordingly. On average fare they lumped themselves in with STL to make it look like fares are high as a region (instead just showing BLVs lower fares) and this would help bring them down. They have a chart showing available seats and the back half of the year it looks like STL has a huge dip. The dip is because Southwest's schedule isn't loaded yet.

I don't know if they will get it but for the amount they are asking and what comes of it, to me its a lot better than some airport asking for a million dollars to get a once daily flight that probably isn't going to come anyway.

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PostMar 15, 2022#339

when can I take metro link train to BLV

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PostMar 15, 2022#340

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when can I take metro link train to BLV
2024-2025 ish.

PostApr 04, 2022#341

I was out on a walk and noticed a Allegiant plane taking off from the military side of the airport today, first time I’ve seen that

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PostApr 04, 2022#342

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I was out on a walk and noticed a Allegiant plane taking off from the military side of the airport today, first time I’ve seen that
Looks like both flights today so far have used it. Interesting.

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PostApr 04, 2022#343

^Are they perhaps doing work on the civilian side runway?

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PostApr 04, 2022#344

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^Are they perhaps doing work on the civilian side runway?
I asked. It’s updating signage and doing pavement work. They will be using the military side for the next week.

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PostApr 04, 2022#345

^Makes sense. I suppose that's the whole point to the shared arrangement is everyone can use the other side in a pinch.

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PostApr 05, 2022#346

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^Makes sense. I suppose that's the whole point to the shared arrangement is everyone can use the other side in a pinch.
Isn't the longer runway the "civilian" side and sometimes it gets used by heavily loaded military planes?

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PostApr 05, 2022#347

^Yes, and not just the heavy-loaded planes. I remember attending meetings at BLV and watching an F-22 land then taxi over to the Scott side. 

That said, IIRC, the BLV runway is 10K ft long, and the Scott runway is 8K ft long. If you're going to have something like a 747 going in and out, it'd have to do so on the BLV side. 

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PostApr 05, 2022#348

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That said, IIRC, the BLV runway is 10K ft long, and the Scott runway is 8K ft long. 
Per FAA Airport Diagram https://aeronav.faa.gov/d-tpp/2203/00046ad.pdf :
14L (BLV side) is 10,000 ft long by 150 ft wide, made of concrete
14R (Scott Side) is 8,006 ft long by 150 ft wide, made of concrete & asphalt

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PostApr 06, 2022#349

^Damn, I was closer than I thought! Thanks for that

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PostApr 12, 2022#350

Charleston and Fort Lauderdale were cut for summer by Allegiant.

They cut a bunch of routes for summer system wide.

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