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PostJan 16, 2014#26

It will be really interesting to see how this plays out. It's only a matter of time until one of these owners gets popped. This reads like a the basis of a movie script.

The banks are regulated by the fed and since Marijuana is still illegal at the federal level the banks won't take their money or let them open accounts. These owers are driving around with trunks full of cash.
Banks Say No to Marijuana Money, Legal or Not

In his second-floor office above a hair salon in north Seattle, Ryan Kunkel is seated on a couch placing $1,000 bricks of cash — dozens of them — in a rumpled brown paper bag. When he finishes, he stashes the money in the trunk of his BMW and sets off on an adrenalized drive downtown, darting through traffic and nervously checking to see if anyone is following him.

“Carrying such large amounts of cash is a terrible risk that freaks me out a bit because there is the fear in my mind that the next car pulling up beside me could be the crew that hijacks us,” he said. “So, we have to play this never-ending shell game of different cars, different routes, different dates and different times.”Though 20 states and the District of Columbia allow either medical or recreational marijuana use — with more likely to follow suit — the drug remains illegal under federal law...

...As a result, banks, including state-chartered ones, are reluctant to provide traditional services to marijuana businesses. They fear that federal regulators and law enforcement authorities might punish them, with measures like large fines, for violating prohibitions on money-laundering, among other federal laws and regulations...

more here

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/12/us/ba ... .html?_r=0

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PostJan 16, 2014#27

New Hampshire legalizes recreational marijuana: http://www.denverpost.com/ci_24920431

DEA caught making deals with drug cartels: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-g ... tel-2014-1

Who are the real dealers?

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PostJan 17, 2014#28

moorlander wrote:It will be really interesting to see how this plays out. It's only a matter of time until one of these owners gets popped. This reads like a the basis of a movie script.

The banks are regulated by the fed and since Marijuana is still illegal at the federal level the banks won't take their money or let them open accounts. These owers are driving around with trunks full of cash.
Banks Say No to Marijuana Money, Legal or Not

In his second-floor office above a hair salon in north Seattle, Ryan Kunkel is seated on a couch placing $1,000 bricks of cash — dozens of them — in a rumpled brown paper bag. When he finishes, he stashes the money in the trunk of his BMW and sets off on an adrenalized drive downtown, darting through traffic and nervously checking to see if anyone is following him.

“Carrying such large amounts of cash is a terrible risk that freaks me out a bit because there is the fear in my mind that the next car pulling up beside me could be the crew that hijacks us,” he said. “So, we have to play this never-ending shell game of different cars, different routes, different dates and different times.”Though 20 states and the District of Columbia allow either medical or recreational marijuana use — with more likely to follow suit — the drug remains illegal under federal law...

...As a result, banks, including state-chartered ones, are reluctant to provide traditional services to marijuana businesses. They fear that federal regulators and law enforcement authorities might punish them, with measures like large fines, for violating prohibitions on money-laundering, among other federal laws and regulations...

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/12/us/ba ... .html?_r=0
That is hilarious given all the cartel money that is washed through every major American banking institution each day. They make billions every year and pay the fines rather than close the accounts, but they make this guy dodge around town in fear for a fraction of the money.

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PostJan 29, 2014#29

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyr ... flight.php

Apparently there has been a sudden and unusual uptick of tourism from St. Louis to Denver this January. It does not match any known patterns of ski-trips or the NFL playoffs, but it does line up with the moment marijuana became legal in Colorado.

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PostJan 29, 2014#30

I do personally know people who have gone to CO for that reason...

Now if only people were leaving other cities for STL for this reason!

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PostFeb 19, 2014#31

From the Riverfront Times
"Legalized Marijuana in Missouri is Unlikely for 2014, But There's Still Some Hope"

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyr ... ctions.php

From the article:

The phone polls that Show Me Cannabis conducted targeted likely 2014 voters, and because there are no exciting offices up for grabs like governor, senator, or president, turnout is expected to be low and the people going to the polls are not the young or independent-minded voters who largely support legalization.

"It appears that phenomenon has a large impact on the level of support we can expect on Election Day, because when we re-weight the results for the expected turnout in 2016, the numbers basically flip, with 52 percent favoring a legalization proposal," Payne wrote in a newsletter to supporters Tuesday.


Pretty much what I was saying last month on this subject. I'd rather us wait and have a better shot at victory than to see it go down.

And even if it does pass look for the legislature to try to gut it. Remember what they tried to do to the amendment on puppy mills :x

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PostFeb 19, 2014#32

Conservative voters tend to dominate the polls in midterm elections (especially, I'd imagine, in places like Missouri), anyway, right? Based on that alone I like this strategic maneuver.

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PostFeb 19, 2014#33

Supporters of this initiative are very pasionate and have been waiting for this day for decades. They will show up no matter when it's on the ballot. They might as well get it on asap.

In the mean time all the pot smokes will keep smoking dope like they always have. Legalization doesn't change much.

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PostFeb 19, 2014#34

Well no, it doesn't change much for those that are regular smokers, but that's not the point. The point is that this would create an industry, a new source of tax revenue from farming and selling.

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PostFeb 19, 2014#35

Although support for it in 2016 is just 52 percent at the moment, I think when 2016 actually comes around, it will be over 60 percent because we will have two whole extra years to see the wonders it works in CO, WA, and possibly soon, AK.


Could you imagine St. Louis' abandoned industrial buildings becoming farms and our empty storefronts becoming dispensaries? There can legally be approx. 150 dispensaries in St. Louis City when it's legalized and about 300 in the County. 150 FEWER abandoned storefronts will really do a lot of good.

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http://iacknowledge.net/colorado-has-ma ... -spend-it/

Imagine what St. Louis' MetroLink could look like in 10 years with just a fraction of this money...And picture how well-funded the City's schools would become.

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PostFeb 27, 2014#37

I'd love to get high legally and put the tax money towards more Metrolink. But the schools are already amongst the most well funded in the United States per student so scratch that part.

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PostFeb 27, 2014#38

The City schools are?

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PostFeb 27, 2014#39

Last five years (2009-2013) for SLPS per pupil:
$16,489.00 (2009)
$16,082.00
$15,861.00
$15,658.00
$14,375.00 (2013)
Average Missouri is about $9200. SLPS is usually in the top ten of the state or so (not even close to the top in the United States; NYC spends about $20,000, but they have 1.1 million students). But meh, that's as it should be if you ask me. The dispute here isn't about SLPS though. Colorado's proposal (and any MO proposal) would take money and put it into the state's pot of cash, then distribute it to all districts. If Missouri gained $100 million in tax revenue, there's still a $600 million shortfall in the current funding formula for the schools.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/educ ... bb8bd.html

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PostMar 11, 2014#40

There was a hearing last night in Jefferson City. There were ten people who spoke in support and five opposed, and of those five, three of them were cops. This is light years ahead of last year where the MO legislature wouldn't even have a hearing on it. And now, there's twice as much support for it than opposing it. When the legalization bill comes in 2016, it's going to be a no-brainer.

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PostMar 12, 2014#41

People always want to use revenue from new taxes on government expenditures, which causes the debate to become a liberal vs. conservative spending issue or worse, a fight between otherwise like-minded competing interests. (See roads v. schools discussion above.)

The recent defeat of the cigarette tax is a perfect example of this.

The pro legalization crowd should push for the marijuana taxes to be rebated to state income tax payers so long as the school foundation formula is fully funded.

This approach would help recruit tax reformers (fiscal conservatives) and the education establishment (families and Democrats) at the same time. All that would be left in opposition would be social conservatives, which should be beatable without their pro-business flank.

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PostMar 12, 2014#42

Basic necessities in Missouri are about a billion dollars underfunded, no way should we be handing money back to rich people.

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PostMar 12, 2014#43

I would want the taxes to go toward transportation more than anything.

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PostMay 13, 2014#45

With those numbers in the legislature, it's very easy to envision full legalization within a couple of years.

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PostMay 13, 2014#46

Show-Me-Cannabis is shooting for 2016.

Also, Columbia is trying to decrminalize the growing of six plants for personal use.

I would love to see all of our abandoned factories become grow-ops!

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PostJul 02, 2014#47

http://mic.com/articles/92449/six-month ... n-colorado
...Marijuana-related arrests, which make up 50% of all drug-related crimes, have plummeted in Colorado, freeing up law enforcement to focus on other criminal activity. By removing marijuana penalties, the state saved somewhere between $12 million and $40 million in 2012, according to the Colorado Center on Law and Policy.

According to government data, the Denver city- and county-wide murder rate has dropped 52.9% since recreational marijuana use was legalized in January. This is compared to the same period last year, a time frame encompassing Jan. 1 through April 30...

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PostJul 02, 2014#48

dweebe wrote:http://mic.com/articles/92449/six-month ... n-colorado
...Marijuana-related arrests, which make up 50% of all drug-related crimes, have plummeted in Colorado, freeing up law enforcement to focus on other criminal activity. By removing marijuana penalties, the state saved somewhere between $12 million and $40 million in 2012, according to the Colorado Center on Law and Policy.

According to government data, the Denver city- and county-wide murder rate has dropped 52.9% since recreational marijuana use was legalized in January. This is compared to the same period last year, a time frame encompassing Jan. 1 through April 30...
Now if St. Louis' crime rate dropped by more than half within just 7 months...

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PostJul 03, 2014#49

That is almost unbelievable.

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Gateway City wrote:
dweebe wrote:http://mic.com/articles/92449/six-month ... n-colorado
...Marijuana-related arrests, which make up 50% of all drug-related crimes, have plummeted in Colorado, freeing up law enforcement to focus on other criminal activity. By removing marijuana penalties, the state saved somewhere between $12 million and $40 million in 2012, according to the Colorado Center on Law and Policy.

According to government data, the Denver city- and county-wide murder rate has dropped 52.9% since recreational marijuana use was legalized in January. This is compared to the same period last year, a time frame encompassing Jan. 1 through April 30...
Now if St. Louis' crime rate dropped by more than half within just 7 months...
That's an amazing drop, but I wonder if it could be partly inflated by sample size. It'll be interesting to be able to compare the longer-term trend.

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