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PostNov 19, 2007#326

bsharmastl wrote:Are there established "pantries" that the homeless can go to eat? Can the city open a shelter for eating?
The new 24-hour Horizon Club (located downtown) is supported by the city, and they provide food and assistance that isn't provided by other shelters.



The homeless feeders know that the homeless leave enormous amounts of trash behind after being fed, but the feeders don't care about aesthetics of the public park either--especially as they drive off to their cleaner hobo-free neighborhoods. The homeless feeders are enablers, and they are part of the problem.

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PostNov 19, 2007#327

Oh history and photography buffs, where are you? Where can I find some good history and photography of Lucas Park? They can be incorporated in the Friends of Lucas Park website. Got a domain and template set up at http://lucaspark.org.



Additionally, the five member board has been selected and we'll be having the first board meeting on Nov. 27th. Initially, we'll be doing some formative and planning work. Expect to hear more as time goes on.



My roommate has a dog and I've been taking her for walks at Lucas Park occasionally. The homeless don't bite and are typically friendly.



I agree the garbage brought on by the renegade agencies is abhorrent. Please keep posting who they are, if you see them. Take pictures if you can. They should be contacted and educated that the best method of helping the homeless is by contributing to the strategic agencies that are in place.

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PostNov 20, 2007#328

Aviator wrote:So it sound's like the homeless people don't like having their picture taken. What if we all hang out with our cameras taking pictures of them?
How about some fake cameras that flash a red light when motion is detected? They can be purchased for very cheap (such as the one pictured directly below from eBay for $.99). You can find more attractive ones if you look for them.







North Minneapolis spent $1.1 million for a real surveillance camera system (like the cameras pictured below), but that's ridiculous.







Signs like these may be effective--despite the fact that there would be no working cameras in the park.




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PostNov 23, 2007#329

I was walking the dog today in Lucas Park when what did I find but a mass feeding by a bunch of kids from Missouri Baptist College. So I talked with one of the coordinators and asked them if they knew they were breaking the law. I asked them if they had a parks permit and a license to distribute food. They didn't.



I asked them if they actually cared about the homeless. I told them that if they did, they would help strategic organizations such as Horizon, St. Patrick Center and the Centenary Church. I let them understand that when feeders come to the park, the park ends up strewn with garbage. Did they not respect residents of this area that should be able to enjoy a clean park? I asked them how they would like if we went to their park or yard and threw trash all over it... They seemed to understand.



I asked them if they did this regularly and they said no. Somehow I don't believe that. I told them that I could call the police but I wouldn't do that today. I warned them that if I saw them again, I would.



I hope others do this as well.

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PostNov 23, 2007#330

Even worse, you could have threatened that if you caught them there again, you'd start dancing in the park!

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PostNov 23, 2007#331

Nice work Innovation.



Though I might suggest a few things to make sure your conversation has maximum impact:



1. If you got the name of the leader of the group, you should pass his name and (if you can get it) contact information on to the Alderman and police department along with the fact that this group was illegally distributing food. A friendly call reminding the group that what they did is not the right method of helping the homeless from the SLPD or the Alderman might help them think twice about doing so again.



2. Call and complain to MO Baptist directly (Dean of Students or someone of that level) so that pressure from on top reminds the group not to do so again.

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PostNov 24, 2007#332

innov8ion wrote:I asked them if they did this regularly and they said no. Somehow I don't believe that. I told them that I could call the police but I wouldn't do that today. I warned them that if I saw them again, I would.
Oh boy! innov8ion, you were right to be suspicious. I did a quick google search of "missouri baptist lucas park" and what do you know, this little gem from the Missouri Baptist Collegian popped up.
Urban Up, Movin’ Out

September 5, 2007

By Whitney Shaw



Lucas Park is a beautiful, historical St. Louis landmark that dates back to the 1800s. However the park has also recently become home to many of the homeless in the St. Louis area. On Sept. 1, six MBU students sought to bring hope to these individuals through a new campus ministry called Urban Up.



Organized by junior Luke McAnally, Urban Up is focused on reaching out to those in need that live around MBU. “I have always heard, ‘Bloom where you're planted,’ so I decided to do exactly that. There are a lot of hurting people out there, and if we can just change one life, it will all be worth it,” said McAnally.



The students involved passed out sandwiches and cold water bottles to those living in the park. “It helps them to get an understanding that we care,” said junior Christa Webb.



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Urban Up is scheduled to occur every Saturday afternoon, and all students are welcome and encouraged to participate. Future plans include continuing the Welcome Weekend work project with the women’s shelter Haven of Grace and delivering blankets and hot cocoa during the winter months.
Click here for the full story

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PostNov 24, 2007#333

^ I'm not sure what your perspective on this is, but in case you're defending them...What does that have to do with them breaking the law?



1. Not obtaining proper park permits.

2. Not having a license to distribute food. (AKA, health code violations.)



Not only that, but these feedings continue to result in the park becoming a trash heap which is disrespectful to the community at large.



I expressed to them their intentions were good, however they could better help the homeless and respect the residents of downtown by providing aid to the strategic homeless organizations.

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PostNov 24, 2007#334

There was a segment about this group on Fox news at 9. It should be on there website.

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innov8ion wrote:I was walking the dog today in Lucas Park when what did I find but a mass feeding by a bunch of kids from Missouri Baptist College.
There was a huge group (with tables set up) when I came home around 4:00 p.m. today. Did the group that you're referring to arrive in a van marked Third Baptist Church, Marion, Illinois?










Downtown2007 wrote:There was a segment about this group on Fox news at 9. It should be on there website.
I was wondering what the Fox 2 News van was doing in the area.

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PostNov 24, 2007#336

Good job with the pictures, Resurrectus. I did look around for marked vehicles but didn't see any. This was around 2pm and the people I talked with said they were from Missouri Baptist University. Pretty sure your group and mine were different.



Below is Third Baptist's & MoBap's contact information. Please tell them what you think of them breaking the law and contributing to the trashing of Lucas Park and disrespecting of downtown residents. Might wanna tell them if they truly want to help, they can provide aid to the strategic homeless agencies downtown.



Third Baptist Church of Marion, IL

Telephone: 618-997-6623

FAX: 618-993-8020

Postal address: 1102 East Boulevard Marion, IL 62959

Website: http://tbc.jesusanswers.com/

Electronic mail

- General Information: tbcmrnil@midamer.net

- Webmaster: webjnsn4@hotmail.com



Missouri Baptist University

Contact Webpage: http://www.mobap.edu/info/contacts/dept.asp

DEAN OF STUDENTS (314) 392-2212

PRESIDENT (314) 392-2355, president@mobap.edu

PUBLIC RELATIONS (314) 392-2305, pr@mobap.edu

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PostNov 24, 2007#337

Now we are getting somewhere fellas!!! Lets keep up the good work.

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PostNov 24, 2007#338

I will be out there around noon-1pm. Going to go study at the library. I will bring my camera and get some REALLY good shots if anyone will be breaking the health code or anything that just makes the park :evil:

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Great job with the link, Downtown2007. Wonder if Fox2 read my post and dispatched someone out there. Too bad it wasn't a very balanced story. Why didn't they interview any downtown residents???



At least Missouri Baptist knows about the law and how they can best help the homeless. They think they're being all high and mighty, but they're only making the problem worse... Why don't they help strategic homeless organizations like St. Patrick Center, Horizon or Centenary Church? If anyone sees them or other organizations, call the police.



The homeless guy says the problem is with the lofts and loft-dwellers. See, without them, the homeless would be free to break more laws than they do now. That's great reasoning.



If Missouri Baptist University cares so much about trashing our park by making it a haven for the homeless, maybe we should bus the homeless to their quad. Then downtown residents could swing by and feed them once in every great while when our altruistic senses need a boost. We'll make sure to bring bottles, sandwich wrappers and other related objects so the homeless can turn Missouri Baptist's beautiful quad into a trash pit. Not only that, but Missouri Baptist will soon attract more homeless, making the area a haven for trash, drugs and other tastelessness.

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PostNov 24, 2007#341

Were people reall driving by yelling at them?

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Downtown2007 wrote:Were people reall driving by yelling at them?
I saw no such thing. I spoke with them calmly and rationally, told them what they were doing was illegal and that if they respected both the homeless and downtown residents, they would help strategic homeless organizations instead.



And who's being "uppity doopity dop" as Mr. homeless dude says on the Fox bit? Is it the downtown residents who care both about the homeless and want a clean park or is it Missouri Baptist University who shuns helping strategic homeless organizations and instead contribute to the problem? Gee, I'm glad you feel better, Missouri Baptist University. Christ sure as hell wouldn't flip the bird to downtown residents like these kids do. No, he'd help the homeless and be respectful to residents as well. Shame on you, Missouri Baptist University!

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PostNov 24, 2007#343

I just took a stroll through there and there wasnt much happening. I will take another walk later today.

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PostNov 24, 2007#344

The feeding stops are, at best, misguided. Bad grade to MoBap for that. On the plus side, they sponsor an improving charter elementary school two blocks from Lucas Park.

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PostNov 25, 2007#345

Is anyone else emailing that church? I am.



Edit; emailed the church and the president/PR for MoBap. The first email for the church didn't work, so I e-mailed the webmaster.

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PostNov 25, 2007#346

publiceye wrote:The feeding stops are, at best, misguided. Bad grade to MoBap for that. On the plus side, they sponsor an improving charter elementary school two blocks from Lucas Park.
Right, obviously the students have good hearts. I sensed and let them know that. I'd like to see them refocus their energies toward more strategic aid such as helping contribute to the Mayor's 10 year plan.

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PostNov 26, 2007#347

I was in Cincinnati over the break and read the following letter to the editor (the story is below and IMO serves as an example of how the charity groups can get out ahead of the story - this should be a lesson for all of us. I can only assume that the people quoted in the story live next to homeless people and don't just see them on Mondays - yeah right. As soon as they're willing to open a homeless shelter in their neighborhood and have their local park full of trash and the homeless we can talk. The point needs to be made that downtown and Lucas Park is part of a neighborhood. The problem is that no one's claimed it as such for a long, long time. I'd guess that downtown is more than happy to share the task of caring for the metro area's homeless, as long as everyone else will do their part and not just show up with an old sweatshirt and a cup of chili once a week!!!!!!).


I think it's absolutely ridiculous that the Cincinnati Park Board will not allow charitable organizations to pass out food or clothing in the parks ("Homeless feast served, law or not," Nov. 19).



Of all the things this city needs to worry about right now, I hardly see how this kind of thing should be an issue. I'm glad local churches went against the laws and went ahead and served a meal to over 200 homeless people.



There should not be limits on helping people who truly need the help.



The board should be more concerned with other problems such as cutting dangerous crimes in parks.

BY PEGGY O’FARRELL | POFARRELL@ENQUIRER.COM

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OVER-THE-RHINE – The Rev. Pam De Fusco walked up and down 12th Street on Monday, inviting people over for a hot meal.



“We’re serving lunch today,” she said to everyone she passed.



She even stopped in at the Drop Inn Center to issue her invitation.



A dozen or so men and women followed her out of the homeless shelter and around the corner to Washington Park, where volunteers had set up a table on Elm Street to serve metts, macaroni and cheese, corn, fruit salad and cookies to the homeless.



Rob Coppinger was one of the group from the Drop Inn Center who headed to the park. “It’s good,” he said. “It’s hot.”



“When people come down and do stuff like this, it’s a blessing,” said Coppinger, 50. He said he’s been on the streets for about a month, staying at the Drop Inn Center until he’s back on his feet.



Coppinger said he’d been clean and sober for about three years before he fell back into the old life. This time, he’s been clean for 30 days, he said.

When he can, he said, he works as a day laborer.



By the time the food ran out, volunteers from Washington United Church of Christ in Camp Washington, Trinity Hill United Church of Christ in Delhi and Christ Church United Church of Christ in Fort Thomas had fed about 200 men and women.



Rain or shine, the food always runs out, said the Rev. Mark Young, pastor of Christ Church United Church of Christ in Fort Thomas.



“These folks need the food and they need the community,” he said.



Monday’s feast wasn’t exactly legal.



The Cincinnati Park Board doesn’t allow charitable organizations to pass out food or clothing in city parks.



Julie Horne, manager of business services for the park board, said board members want to reduce litter and other problems such distributions cause. People who want to hold special events in city parks can get permits, but Monday’s free lunch isn’t allowed, she said.



Church groups and other charitable organizations that want to distribute food or blankets are referred to the Drop Inn Center and other social service agencies in Over-the-Rhine, Horne said.



But De Fusco and other advocates for the homeless assert city officials and developers want to make homeless people disappear from view as the neighborhood undergoes a burst of re-development.



“I guess if you don’t see them, they don’t exist,” De Fusco said.



Washington Park is at the center of a multi-million dollar redevelopment boom, with renovations planned for Music Hall, located across the street from the park, as well as a $72 million project to build new facilities for the School for Creative and Performing Arts.



School construction plans call for relocating part of the Drop Inn Center. New condominium units are being sold in the neighborhood, and the project’s success depends on making the neighborhood safer.



Georgine Getty, executive director of the Greater Cincinnati Coalition for the Homeless, said she understands that people drawn to the neighborhood by the new development might be put off by the sight of homeless people hanging out in the park.



“If you have a problem seeing homeless folks, you should end homelessness,” Getty said.



Staff writer Jane Prendergast contributed.



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PostNov 26, 2007#348

Maybe doing it from the drop in center itself would help more...

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PostNov 26, 2007#349

There is a factor we mentioned, but I think forgot...



The public library is right next to the park where a lot of homeless go to go on the computer or just relax and read.



Trying to move the "homeless" park to another place might be difficult because then it wont be 20 steps from the public library. Location, Location, Location :)

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PostNov 26, 2007#350

zink wrote:There is a factor we mentioned, but I think forgot...



The public library is right next to the park where a lot of homeless go to go on the computer or just relax and read.



Trying to move the "homeless" park to another place might be difficult because then it wont be 20 steps from the public library. Location, Location, Location :)


Just sit outside the library around closing time and see all the homeless pouring out into the street and then gathering in the park.

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