Resurrectus wrote:It would be expensive to light up that entire park.
Yes, it would, but it is worth a try. It should be lit up regardless of the homeless situation. I am sure the money could be found. I bet you could get quite a few developers to kick in some money, if they thought the city would follow through, which at this point seems to me to be the biggest stumbling block.
Resurrectus wrote:I once saw a group of teen volunteers getting ready to clean up the park, and before they could get the trash bags passed out, the homeless disappeared...
That is surprising, but good to hear. Still, I am sure they came back as soon as they were done
Resurrectus wrote:I once saw a group of teen volunteers getting ready to clean up the park, and before they could get the trash bags passed out, the homeless disappeared...
That is surprising, but good to hear. Still, I am sure they came back as soon as they were done
It was only once and around five months ago. I don't blame them for not coming back. I once picked up a large piece of cardboard to dispose of, but it smelled worse than a sewer, and I about passed out.
Maybe we could scare the homeless away. We could hide speakers in the trees that play haunting ghost sounds at night.
^Uh huh, and how long did he stay and did they come back as soon as he was gone? That is what I meant by, paraphrasing myself, "there should be a regular, random presence at the park, by people with the necessary authority to arrest those committing crimes or otherwise violating ordinances, or people with the ability to quickly contact those who can".
jlblues wrote:^Uh huh, and how long did he stay and did they come back as soon as he was gone? That is what I meant by, paraphrasing myself, "there should be a regular, random presence at the park, by people with the necessary authority to arrest those committing crimes or otherwise violating ordinances, or people with the ability to quickly contact those who can".
Police cars do randomly drive around the Lucas Park block. Though, there were a couple 'bos sleeping on the benches this morning.
There's also a guard that stands on the corner by the gated playground when the children from the daycare are playing so that the homeless don't try anything.
jlblues wrote:^Uh huh, and how long did he stay and did they come back as soon as he was gone? That is what I meant by, paraphrasing myself, "there should be a regular, random presence at the park, by people with the necessary authority to arrest those committing crimes or otherwise violating ordinances, or people with the ability to quickly contact those who can".
I agree. The police should come by with more regular check-ups. Whatever laws are broken, should be dealt with according to its severity, and the systematic process of the law.
Ok here's what we're going to do. We all load up in my SUV and rig a train horn and offroad lights on top. Then we wait until they go to sleep and drive into the middle of the park blaring the horn and flashing the lights, attempting to hit as many as possible (homeless whack-a-mole, but with a 5000 pound Nissan). Repeat as necessary until they relocate.
On a serious note, although I'm a resident of South City and not downtown, I spend almost all free time downtown (I'm assuming it's a good thing for a 20 year old to be seen enjoying downtown. If you can change one person's mind...) and this park is a serious downer for me everytime I pass by. I don't know if this would be possible, but what if they cleared open green-space in the middle, and left trees lining the exterior side-walks. With this space, I believe residents would be more apt to physical activities (football/soccer/frisbee/whatever) during the day and would draw more people to the park. Another factor contributing to the decline right now is the red-cross building/shelter across the street from the library. With the growing revitalization movement downtown, does anyone think there might be a possibility to relocate this center to another location and replace it with new development in the new future? This would hopefully begin to create a nice corridor from Washington to Olive around the post office, and would encourage further renovation and construction West down Olive. Imagine (14th?), beginning at Washington and progressing to Olive with Skyhouse and another new 20-40 story highrise looming above further down. Cool street IMO.
newstl2020 wrote:Another factor contributing to the decline right now is the red-cross building/shelter across the street from the library. With the growing revitalization movement downtown, does anyone think there might be a possibility to relocate this center to another location and replace it with new development in the new future?
The Red Cross isn't across the street from the library. Do you mean NLEC (AKA Riceland, Hobo Heaven)?
Why don't we have a BBQ in the park!!! People on here b**** but are they trying anything? The homeless use the park because no one else does. So lets use it.
I propose a BBQ on some saturday, midday, and it will be a sexy time. Who's with me?
Do we need a permit in order to fire up the grill? And can we drink beers in a brownbag or not? Or can we get a temporary permit for beer and bbq? I am not similar with the laws.
Sorry guys. The "riceland" building was the one that I was talking about, I must have seen the red-cross building further down the block and confused the two. Thanks for the correction. I think a BBQ in the park would be a good idea. I don't know if we would want to be walking around with a bunch of beers in brown bags though, if anything solo-cups might be a better idea (if you don't mind feeling like a college student again for a while ). I would doubt anyone would give anybody trouble about grilling in the park. It might not technically be allowed, but I can't see a city policeman stopping to give anyone trouble about it.
The Parks Division requires permits for many events and activities that use city parks.
Permits or reservations are needed to reserve baseball, softball, soccer, football and rugby fields, to hold special events, runs and walks and fundraising activities and to reserve the large picnic grounds and pavilions in Forest Park, Willmore Park, O'Fallon Park and Carondelet Park.
The Parks Division also issues permits or takes reservations for weddings and all events held at the World's Fair Pavilion, Jewel Box and Kiener Plaza.
For reservations and permits contact:
Special events, runs and walks and fundraising activities, the World's Fair Pavilion and Kiener Plaza: call 289-5344
Athletic fields and Jewel Box events: call 289-5389
Picnics and hayrides: call 289-5330
For information or other reservations and permits, call the Parks Division offices: 289-5300
Why do I get the feeling that if the authorities saw a bunch of young people drinking and barbequeing in the middle of Lucas Park without a permit, the response would be far more swift and severe than any response to - you know - those other things we were talking about, ever?
I can just see it now...cops dragging away TGE by his dreadlocks, PBR still in hand, while a homeless guy is mumbling to himself and taking a dump in the playground 5 feet away.
I don't think anyone would care AT ALL. Don;t they have little fests in the area in between Lucas Park Grill and the DT Childrens Center on occasions? Would this be any different?
Regardless if we can do this I would rather get a permit instead of doing it sans permit and have the fun start to then get shut down by the bacon patrol, Might as well do it legit as to avoid the fury of the Fuzz.
I was taking pictures of the neighborhood this afternoon. When I took the picture below, this nasty hobo ran up to me and shouted, "Hey! You need to get my permission before you take a picture!" I replied, "This is a public park." He got in my face and shouted, "Take a picture again, and I throw this hot chili in your face, fag!" This is one more reason why food shouldn't be handed out in the park.
). I would doubt anyone would give anybody trouble about grilling in the park. It might not technically be allowed, but I can't see a city policeman stopping to give anyone trouble about it.
