Yeah, but I think that the fact that it's similar to other Loop buildings will help continue to "psychologically" extend the Loop east to Hodiamont. Once you get past the MetroLink stop, the strip takes on a much different look and feel.
I agree DeB, it does exactly what it needs to do. Even if it isn't particularly exciting to look at.
I agree, just having development there will help the area and extend the loop. But it would be fun to have something a little more unique.
I think it looks pretty good but I wish a little more density would have been part of the plan.
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Almost. The one-story bike shop will still be between the Loop Center and the Pageant; in this picture, it looks that the Loop Center is built flush with the bike shop building on the left, and the 'Miss Saigon' building on the right.
This new development in Philly is EXACTLY what I was hoping for in the Loop. It's edgy and modern, yet it still respects the existing streetscape around it. Enough of the faux historic stuff:
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(thanks to Giovanni Sasso on SkyscraperPage.com for the pic)
(thanks to Giovanni Sasso on SkyscraperPage.com for the pic)
No matter what they build, thank God there are no power lines like that in the loop. Bleh.
That design is decent, and could work in the loop. I think what is planned now will work fine, but the loop is definitely a good place for some modern, especially as it works it's way towards Debaliviere.
That design is decent, and could work in the loop. I think what is planned now will work fine, but the loop is definitely a good place for some modern, especially as it works it's way towards Debaliviere.
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The cab company site was cleared this week. Here's a pic from Friday 7/14/06.
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http://www.chrismoritz.com/posts/pics/loopcenterlot.jpg
http://www.chrismoritz.com/posts/pics/loopcenterlot.jpg
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As Montgomery Burns would say, "Excellent..."
I'm guessing this means that construction will be commencing soon?
I'm guessing this means that construction will be commencing soon?
Glad to see this project - the architechture is fine with me and keeps with the style of the loop.
I think the Loop should begin to build taller buildings as it moves eastward. Get some condo's on top of the retail.
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^agreed, especially with the proximity to the metrolink...progressively taller buildings would add some needed density to the eastern edge of the loop and would create an atmosphere for more progressive, contemporary architectural styles. It would be a nice progression from west to east...single family residential to urban commercial sandwiched between more dense mixed use.
Giant hole is being dug for the foundation. Looks like they are nearly ready to start on the foundation as of today.
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DeB you're spectacular!
This is great that the block is being filled in with three buildings:
One, Two-story Loop Center building on the northside of the street where the cab company was. Two, African American Cultural Center. Three, this new retail building.
I am a bit put down by just two story buildings, but then again the movement east and north is satisfying.
I think that only leaves Church's Chicken and the Metrolink/Bus Transfer Street Plaza. Let's hope that at least a four story building is built where Church's is located or better yet a mixed use building with a retail anchor, condo/apartments, and maybe offices with parking underneath or not at all. Someone in the ward should lobby their alderman about density and quality development for this remaining site!
This is great that the block is being filled in with three buildings:
One, Two-story Loop Center building on the northside of the street where the cab company was. Two, African American Cultural Center. Three, this new retail building.
I am a bit put down by just two story buildings, but then again the movement east and north is satisfying.
I think that only leaves Church's Chicken and the Metrolink/Bus Transfer Street Plaza. Let's hope that at least a four story building is built where Church's is located or better yet a mixed use building with a retail anchor, condo/apartments, and maybe offices with parking underneath or not at all. Someone in the ward should lobby their alderman about density and quality development for this remaining site!
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Great; this combined with the museum will fill-in that unsightly gap.
Thanks for the info DEB!
Seriously this area is one of the hottest spots in St. Louis because of the TOD.
Think of people coming from out of town, taking MetroLink from the airport, and staying at the brand new Loop hotel!
Once the hotel is built we can expect this area of St. Louis to explode!
Joe Edwards sets the bar high and shows how development should be done.
Seriously this area is one of the hottest spots in St. Louis because of the TOD.
Think of people coming from out of town, taking MetroLink from the airport, and staying at the brand new Loop hotel!
Once the hotel is built we can expect this area of St. Louis to explode!
Joe Edwards sets the bar high and shows how development should be done.
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I think that only leaves Church's Chicken and the Metrolink/Bus Transfer Street Plaza. Let's hope that at least a four story building is built where Church's is located or better yet a mixed use building with a retail anchor, condo/apartments, and maybe offices with parking underneath or not at all. Someone in the ward should lobby their alderman about density and quality development for this remaining site!
How right you are. This intersection really sticks out now that much of Delmar has been developed. Unfortunately the Church's is the highest grossing (no pun intended) Church's in the city - the gas station's unlikely to move and the other corner is owned by Southwest Bell I think. I wish that Edwards would have concentrated on this intersection, but I bet for the money it was much, much easier to develop storefronts on Delmar.
Ihnen wrote:I think that only leaves Church's Chicken and the Metrolink/Bus Transfer Street Plaza. Let's hope that at least a four story building is built where Church's is located or better yet a mixed use building with a retail anchor, condo/apartments, and maybe offices with parking underneath or not at all. Someone in the ward should lobby their alderman about density and quality development for this remaining site!
How right you are. This intersection really sticks out now that much of Delmar has been developed. Unfortunately the Church's is the highest grossing (no pun intended) Church's in the city - the gas station's unlikely to move and the other corner is owned by Southwest Bell I think. I wish that Edwards would have concentrated on this intersection, but I bet for the money it was much, much easier to develop storefronts on Delmar.
I've really wondered how long that old Bell building would last. Just look in the windows and see how empty the first floor is. Plus there's rarely any more than a few cars parked in the lot. To be honest the gas station and the Church's bother me nowhere as much as the Bell building.
Glad to see the infill across from the Pageant. I've sat in the Halo Bar wondering how long that lot could remain empty.
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I've really wondered how long that old Bell building would last. Just look in the windows and see how empty the first floor is.
I've been told that the building is their computing bank infastructure (whatever that really means) and that it's a somewhat difficult thing to move it to a new location. Hopefully the land is/will become valuable enought to make it worth their while.
Aside from the Church's chicken on the corner, this block will be the most dense on the street when these projects and the hotel (any updates??) are completed.
Now we need someone to propose a mixed-use building on that block bounded by Rosedale, Des Peres, and Delmar. This is vital because it shapes opinions to those getting off of the Metrolink. I bet Joe Edwards has something up his sleeve, because I bet the last thing he wants is his hotel guests getting off the train and facing an old mechanics shop (or whatever the heck it is) surrounded by a chain link fence. Retail/restaurants facing the stop is a must. Speaking of which, whatever happened to that restaurant that was supposed to open in the Wabash Station?
Once those things are completed, the Loop will be ready to cross over the tracks and towards DeBalivierre. It would be nice if they built some retail over the bridge opposite of the Wabash station so it's not such a psychological barrier to pedestrians.
Also, the city needs to reopen some of the neighborhoods to the Loop. There should be a pedestrian bridge or two over the Metrolink tracks to Wash U's new campus so that it will encourage students and professors to rehab the area bounded by Hodiamont, Goodfellow, Delmar, and Cabanne (for a start). Des Peres and DeGiverville should be reopened as well, and while we're at it, let's re-extend DeBalivierre to Etzel.
Now we need someone to propose a mixed-use building on that block bounded by Rosedale, Des Peres, and Delmar. This is vital because it shapes opinions to those getting off of the Metrolink. I bet Joe Edwards has something up his sleeve, because I bet the last thing he wants is his hotel guests getting off the train and facing an old mechanics shop (or whatever the heck it is) surrounded by a chain link fence. Retail/restaurants facing the stop is a must. Speaking of which, whatever happened to that restaurant that was supposed to open in the Wabash Station?
Once those things are completed, the Loop will be ready to cross over the tracks and towards DeBalivierre. It would be nice if they built some retail over the bridge opposite of the Wabash station so it's not such a psychological barrier to pedestrians.
Also, the city needs to reopen some of the neighborhoods to the Loop. There should be a pedestrian bridge or two over the Metrolink tracks to Wash U's new campus so that it will encourage students and professors to rehab the area bounded by Hodiamont, Goodfellow, Delmar, and Cabanne (for a start). Des Peres and DeGiverville should be reopened as well, and while we're at it, let's re-extend DeBalivierre to Etzel.