looks as if the campers/homeless have been moved into a warehouse at about the corner of MLK at 14th st
https://imgur.com/a/Neca5Wr
https://imgur.com/a/Neca5Wr
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STL Biz Journal: Larry Rice is looking to reopen his downtown homeless center. Here's how it would operate differently.
TL/DR: He wants to submit new architectural plans and fundraise for $1MM. He's also blaming the recent violence on Wash Ave resulting from his absence and everyone-but-him's "bigotry" against homeless people. He also hopes Mayor Jones will like him. Her spokesman says he needs to rebuild the place first, then they'll talk. Reminder, she just came out this past week looking to re-up crimefighting in Downtown. Also, reminder that a 2013 study on the NLEC found that IT EMPLOYED NO SOCIAL WORKERS THERE.
Larry don't care. Second verse, same as the first.
TL/DR: He wants to submit new architectural plans and fundraise for $1MM. He's also blaming the recent violence on Wash Ave resulting from his absence and everyone-but-him's "bigotry" against homeless people. He also hopes Mayor Jones will like him. Her spokesman says he needs to rebuild the place first, then they'll talk. Reminder, she just came out this past week looking to re-up crimefighting in Downtown. Also, reminder that a 2013 study on the NLEC found that IT EMPLOYED NO SOCIAL WORKERS THERE.
Larry don't care. Second verse, same as the first.
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The new plan is to open New Life during the day, from 8 a.m. to 4 p.m. HA !And what will these people do after 4pm? They will 'camp' nearby to be first in the door for the handouts at at 8am And just as I heard from what went on in the past at the Methodist church 16th/17th st at Olive they served food three times daily .I was told people got breakfast than hung around until lunch than hung around till dinner. And what where they doing during the hang out times between meals? Sleeping defecating fighting in the parks along Market and panhandling (NOT all of them) so by 4 some if not many were passed out or higher than a kite. Or are the homeless going to be sequestered in that building from 8 to 4? Good luck with that. Persons staying for a visit at the Shell building will get a real view of STL not to mention full time residents in the area. What a mess
Many of the rooms in the Shell building, the Last and 21c hotels will be empty at times. And I hear there are a few vacant apartments in Plaza Square and the Park Pacific.chris fuller wrote: ↑Sep 16, 2021The new plan is to open New Life during the day, from 8 a.m. to 4 p.m. HA !And what will these people do after 4pm? They will 'camp' nearby to be first in the door for the handouts at at 8am And just as I heard from what went on in the past at the Methodist church 16th/17th st at Olive they served food three times daily .I was told people got breakfast than hung around until lunch than hung around till dinner. And what where they doing during the hang out times between meals? Sleeping defecating fighting in the parks along Market and panhandling (NOT all of them) so by 4 some if not many were passed out or higher than a kite. Or are the homeless going to be sequestered in that building from 8 to 4? Good luck with that. Persons staying for a visit at the Shell building will get a real view of STL not to mention full time residents in the area. What a mess
Problem solved.
This dude is crazy! Downtown West is finally getting develop and we’re going to have homeless just walking in front of 21C, Shell Building Hiltons, 1801 Washington, Butler Brothers! They need a different location. City can’t let this happen!
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17 of 230 vacant at Park Pacific but that’s mostly because corner of the building flooded this spring. Been restoring it and finally doneurbanitas wrote: ↑Sep 17, 2021Many of the hotel rooms in the Shell building and the 21c will be empty at times. And I hear there are a few vacant apartments in Plaza Square and the Park Pacific.chris fuller wrote: ↑Sep 16, 2021The new plan is to open New Life during the day, from 8 a.m. to 4 p.m. HA !And what will these people do after 4pm? They will 'camp' nearby to be first in the door for the handouts at at 8am And just as I heard from what went on in the past at the Methodist church 16th/17th st at Olive they served food three times daily .I was told people got breakfast than hung around until lunch than hung around till dinner. And what where they doing during the hang out times between meals? Sleeping defecating fighting in the parks along Market and panhandling (NOT all of them) so by 4 some if not many were passed out or higher than a kite. Or are the homeless going to be sequestered in that building from 8 to 4? Good luck with that. Persons staying for a visit at the Shell building will get a real view of STL not to mention full time residents in the area. What a mess
Problem solved.
"They need a different location. City can’t let this happen! "
Rice already is somewhere else hes in the county St Charles Rock Rd St. John St Ann? Stay there buy up/rent some of the old strip mall spots along the Rock Road [it was a bustling area when NW Plaza was in full swing ] and there you go
Rice already is somewhere else hes in the county St Charles Rock Rd St. John St Ann? Stay there buy up/rent some of the old strip mall spots along the Rock Road [it was a bustling area when NW Plaza was in full swing ] and there you go
NLEC address is listed as Overland. Seems like a good place for a shelter and camp. It's close to downtown Clayton, has lots of partially vacant light industrial/office buildings, and open green spaces, with great highway off ramp access.chris fuller wrote: ↑Sep 17, 2021"They need a different location. City can’t let this happen! "
Rice already is somewhere else hes in the county St Charles Rock Rd St. John St Ann? Stay there buy up/rent some of the old strip mall spots along the Rock Road [it was a bustling area when NW Plaza was in full swing ] and there you go
^ You probably would have scared more Clayton folks had he been based in Olivette:
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Having said that, as someone who lives in Clayton I’d be more than fine with a shelter in downtown Clayton. Plenty of space and good transit can be had nearby. Basically the opposite of Olivette or Overland.
Having said that, as someone who lives in Clayton I’d be more than fine with a shelter in downtown Clayton. Plenty of space and good transit can be had nearby. Basically the opposite of Olivette or Overland.
Like I said, close to downtown Clayton.sc4mayor wrote: ↑Sep 17, 2021^ You probably would have scared more Clayton folks had he been based in Olivette:
Having said that, as someone who lives in Clayton I’d be more than fine with a shelter in downtown Clayton. Plenty of space and good transit can be had nearby. Basically the opposite of Olivette or Overland.
And transit access is irrelevant, as Reverend Larry's shuttle service provides daily dropoff and pickup access to all the prime panhandling spots.
^ Might as well be a thousand miles away as long as suburban cops keep dumping the county’s homeless in the city. Larry Rice can’t even compete with the police shuttles.
Again, build shelters out here…the County seat should have at least one…
Again, build shelters out here…the County seat should have at least one…
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^Clayton will never have a homeless shelter. They will never give up their biggest competitive advantage: they have a central business district, on an urban grid, that is surrounded on all sides by the well to do. The only time the homeless end up in Clayton is for court.
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I’m going to ask 100 homeless to take metrolink to Clayton (I’ll pay for their tickets) and see what happens
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mmmmmm It's almost like the surrounding region sets up downtown to fail to prop up the suburbs.gone corporate wrote: ↑Sep 20, 2021^Clayton will never have a homeless shelter. They will never give up their biggest competitive advantage: they have a central business district, on an urban grid, that is surrounded on all sides by the well to do. The only time the homeless end up in Clayton is for court.
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^Indeed. Funny how that all works out, isn't it... Plus, with the rise of other suburban municipalities furthering their own central business districts (such as Chesterfield, Creve Coeur, Des Peres, Maryland Heights, and Town & Country), it's all the less likely Clayton would ever do anything to disrupt their specific competitive advantages by building a homeless shelter at Shaw Park.
^ I was just offering the opinion that I think it would be better to build a shelter in Clayton than warehousing them in Overland like was previously suggested. I'm not under any realistic assumption that would ever happen, obviously. Like you mention, Clayton would rather protect its image than do what's right by the region. And no one suggested Shaw Park. Even if this was meant to be taken seriously there are better places than that in Clayton...
My thought is to get them into parts of the region where resources are better and maybe they'd have a better chance of getting into a home. It'd be nice if the suburban homeless had services out here instead of just getting dumped downtown at a shelter. But it seems more people are concerned with where we can stash these people where they're out of the way, instead of any real problem solving. Anyway, I'm definitely no expert but anything seems like it would be better than our approach right now.
My thought is to get them into parts of the region where resources are better and maybe they'd have a better chance of getting into a home. It'd be nice if the suburban homeless had services out here instead of just getting dumped downtown at a shelter. But it seems more people are concerned with where we can stash these people where they're out of the way, instead of any real problem solving. Anyway, I'm definitely no expert but anything seems like it would be better than our approach right now.
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^Largely agree and understood. I'm in favor of considerable developments that can provide comprehensive services for the homeless that can transition them fully into long-term housing, employment, and mental health. Same time, I don't want it at the NLEC because 14th & Locust is not the best place for them, considering the goals of a Downtown economic renaissance as well as Larry's poor histories of shepherding the homeless. IMHO, if the City was to ever build something like this, then it should do so outside of Downtown, and considering geographic topography outside of the Central Corridor. Business Districts are not places for the homeless if our goal is care. Hell, I'd be in favor of one in North City and another in South City, preferably at a distance from dense residential neighborhoods, areas without high drug usage, and areas not next to a park where the homeless would just loiter. While I'm not necessarily in favor of "warehousing" the homeless, I'd be in favor of seeing a warehouse-type structure converted and filled with barracks - and staffed with social workers, medical professionals, and reasonably adequate security.
^^^ I agree 200%!!!gone corporate wrote:^Largely agree and understood. I'm in favor of considerable developments that can provide comprehensive services for the homeless that can transition them fully into long-term housing, employment, and mental health. Same time, I don't want it at the NLEC because 14th & Locust is not the best place for them, considering the goals of a Downtown economic renaissance as well as Larry's poor histories of shepherding the homeless. IMHO, if the City was to ever build something like this, then it should do so outside of Downtown, and considering geographic topography outside of the Central Corridor. Business Districts are not places for the homeless if our goal is care. Hell, I'd be in favor of one in North City and another in South City, preferably at a distance from dense residential neighborhoods, areas without high drug usage, and areas not next to a park where the homeless would just loiter. While I'm not necessarily in favor of "warehousing" the homeless, I'd be in favor of seeing a warehouse-type structure converted and filled with barracks - and staffed with social workers, medical professionals, and reasonably adequate security.
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I thought the 'Camp Cole' idea was effective, especially as compared to traditional shelters. I thought that and the tiny homes project(s) were innovative and actually had a chance to succeed at helping people who need it. Is there any reason that sort of thing can't or shouldn't be replicated throughout areas where that type of service is needed?
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Larry Rice's New Life looks to rebuild homeless refuge on the edge of downtown St. Louis
ST. LOUIS — A controversial homeless shelter is working to rebuild its facility on the edge of downtown, a new step in the group’s long-standing fight to reopen the building.
The New Life Evangelistic Center has drawn up plans and obtained a city building permit for a worship space, free store and office. The Rev. Larry Rice, facility director, said he intends the building, at 1411 Locust Street, to be a place where people can come during the daytime and receive bus passes, job counseling and other assistance.
“We’re opening it as a place of refuge during the day,” Rice said.
Rice was forced to close the shelter in 2017 after years of sparring with the city, which said the facility operated over capacity and violated building codes. He has since made repeated attempts to reopen the building, and public and private sector groups have pushed back. His latest effort is still in its early stages and is sure to face opposition: Already one downtown developer said he plans to appeal the permit.
https://www.stltoday.com/business/local/larry-rices-new-life-looks-to-rebuild-homeless-refuge-on-the-edge-of-downtown-st/article_f755bc6f-ccc3-518b-8e73-4ec7c0c3f3ba.html#tracking-source=home-top-story
ST. LOUIS — A controversial homeless shelter is working to rebuild its facility on the edge of downtown, a new step in the group’s long-standing fight to reopen the building.
The New Life Evangelistic Center has drawn up plans and obtained a city building permit for a worship space, free store and office. The Rev. Larry Rice, facility director, said he intends the building, at 1411 Locust Street, to be a place where people can come during the daytime and receive bus passes, job counseling and other assistance.
“We’re opening it as a place of refuge during the day,” Rice said.
Rice was forced to close the shelter in 2017 after years of sparring with the city, which said the facility operated over capacity and violated building codes. He has since made repeated attempts to reopen the building, and public and private sector groups have pushed back. His latest effort is still in its early stages and is sure to face opposition: Already one downtown developer said he plans to appeal the permit.
https://www.stltoday.com/business/local/larry-rices-new-life-looks-to-rebuild-homeless-refuge-on-the-edge-of-downtown-st/article_f755bc6f-ccc3-518b-8e73-4ec7c0c3f3ba.html#tracking-source=home-top-story
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Does anybody think the city is going to actually allow Larry Rice to do this?
He ran an unsafe and undignified homeless shelter for years; why would we expect him to run things well now?
He ran an unsafe and undignified homeless shelter for years; why would we expect him to run things well now?
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^ city doesn’t have a choice if their building is up to code and the proposed uses are allowed by code.