Landing Development

STLEnginerd · PostApr 28, 2015#512015-04-28T23:49+00:00

I think the point is if you knock down all of our historic riverfront, it will be gone forever. The stadium need not clear cut our architectural heritage.

Additionally, there are ways to build a stadium while still preserving the potential those buildings offer. To pretend like there is nothing that can be done when most of what they are building is parking is as disingenuous as pretending that the near north is on the cusp of a building boom.

blzhrpmd2 · PostApr 29, 2015#522015-04-29T13:32+00:00

Then why haven't areas that are already more built followed that path? We've been talking about Chouteau's Landing for over a decade as all sorts of stuff, including an arts district. Is anything happening? The Landing has only gotten worse. Yet this area will do better? I'd love for it to happen, please don't misunderstand, but I'm not getting why the other areas that are similarly positioned are not developing better if this one will do well in the coming years.

How would Chouteau's Landing be any different today if in 2003 the crumbling buildings were leveled for something else?

I think sometimes we get too focused on saving buildings and forget that hundreds of empty buildings are standing with nothing in them.

moorlander · PostApr 29, 2015#532015-04-29T14:21+00:00

blzhrpmd2 wrote:Then why haven't areas that are already more built followed that path?

Until we start growing as a city/region or significantly increase our number of tourists we won't see it. Without more people we tend to see cannibalization and a reshuffling. Just look at Carpark Village for example.

debaliviere · PostApr 29, 2015#542015-04-29T15:25+00:00

Chouteau's Landing is basically controlled by a single property owner who doesn't have the means or the ability to get anything done.

geoffksu · PostMay 16, 2015#552015-05-16T16:47+00:00

Anyone have any good, recent pics of the Third Street Streetscape or the MVVA lanterns underneath I-70/I-44?

MoDOT's Flickr page has lots of nice shots of the steel cage and rebar but can't seem to find any of the Streetscape.

Thanks!

True_dope · PostMay 20, 2015#562015-05-20T17:22+00:00

small but seems like a good fit
http://www.stltoday.com/business/column ... 359c8.html

roger wyoming II · PostMay 20, 2015#572015-05-20T18:15+00:00

^ you build vibrancy one 5,000 sq. ft. lease at a time! Actually, this is the second firm formerly from the Metro East to have relocated into the Raeder Place... Landshire moved in 2010. To be honest, I wish there were a Landing of sorts for these guys to move into on the other side of the Mississippi but I'll take it!

edit.... And let's not forget that a PA-based frieght broker opened an office in the Witte Building earlier this year and hopes to expand up to 125 employees in the next few years.
http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... b0db0.html

debaliviere · PostMay 22, 2015#582015-05-22T15:00+00:00

News like this always makes me happy. We just need more companies to follow in their footsteps.

RockChalkSTL · PostJun 04, 2015#592015-06-04T15:47+00:00

While driving through Laclede's Landing this past weekend, I absolutely loved the buildings and stores in the area ... but man, oh man ... those roads weren't.

I understand wanting to keep the cobblestone streets. They're old and classic and historic. But I felt like my car had become a giant vibrator as I drove over them. It can't be good for cars to drive on that.

There are giant potholes as well down there.

Keep the cobblestone streets ... just replace the old bricks with new ones.

framer · PostJun 04, 2015#602015-06-04T16:43+00:00

^Yep; that's a common complaint. There are plans afoot to remedy the problem.

arch city · PostJun 04, 2015#612015-06-04T18:06+00:00

The cobblestone re-leveling project was finished last year.

April 24, 2014

The project — to rebuild some of the trademark, shock-destroying cobblestone streetscape — is finally nearing completion after an initial postponement and a couple of months of weather-related delays.

Construction for the $1.46 million project began in September, and was scheduled to end in March, but persistent snowfall and freezing temperatures left stretches of streets and sidewalks blocked off for far longer than area merchants would have liked.

“It was kind of ugly there for a while,” said John Clark, president of the Landing’s Community Improvement District.

Clark now expects construction to end by the middle to end of May. The project stretches along Second Street between Washington Avenue and Morgan Street.

Source

framer · PostJun 04, 2015#622015-06-04T19:00+00:00

D'Oh!

RockChalkSTL · PostJun 04, 2015#632015-06-04T19:39+00:00

If this is true, then they've failed miserably.

There are entire sections of bricks that are miserable to drive on.

moorlander · PostJun 05, 2015#642015-06-05T00:18+00:00

It's not supposed to be driven fast. 5mph tops for two blocks is NBD

roger wyoming II · PostJun 05, 2015#652015-06-05T00:29+00:00

^ I agree with KC if it was as bad as it was when I drove down there last a few months back; it was more third world than cobblestone.... there was a thousand-fold difference with say Main Street in St. Chuck's.

ImprovSTL · PostJun 05, 2015#662015-06-05T16:45+00:00

Yeah I am down there a lot and there are already big potholes. Also, man oh man is it cut off from everything right now. Really feel bad for the businesses down there. The arch is such a mess right now, hopefully it's all worth it.

RockChalkSTL · PostJun 05, 2015#672015-06-05T19:37+00:00

^There were a few pot holes that closely resembled craters.

It was bad. They need to get it fixed.

debaliviere · PostJun 05, 2015#682015-06-05T20:53+00:00

ImprovSTL wrote:Yeah I am down there a lot and there are already big potholes. Also, man oh man is it cut off from everything right now. Really feel bad for the businesses down there. The arch is such a mess right now, hopefully it's all worth it.

I feel for them too and try to head down there for lunch whenever I can.

With Washington permanently closed off, will things get better for the businesses there? I guess we'll have to wait and see.

arch city · PostJun 08, 2015#692015-06-08T00:03+00:00

KansasCitian wrote:If this is true, then they've failed miserably.

There are entire sections of bricks that are miserable to drive on.

They're cobblestones.

Then they are the original cobblestones.

There are two phases. Perhaps you drove on the older section.

VIDEO

Nonetheless, I don't know of a smooth ride on cobblestone anywhere.

PostJun 08, 2015#702015-06-08T01:02+00:00

Holes forming on cobblestone streets is common because of the weather, but if potholes are forming already on the portion that's been re-layed then that's a problem. If that's the case someone should get the Post-Dispatch or news media on the case.

Keep in mind that potholes can form on cobblestone streets just like any other paved street.

Yes, Main St. in St. Charles is definitely a smoother ride than the streets of LaCledes' Landing, but St. Charles' cobblestones don't appear to be as clunky as the ones on LaClede's Landing. They also appear to be packed tighter in St. Charles.

St. Charles

PostJun 08, 2015#712015-06-08T15:33+00:00

A flash mob dances on LaClede's Landing's cobblestones during Memorial Day 2015 weekend.

Photo Credit: Downtown STL Twitter

debaliviere · PostJul 23, 2015#722015-07-23T17:47+00:00

Sundecker's has reopened. They're currently open for lunch only and will expand their hours once they get their liquor license.

Fairly decent lunch crowds down on the Landing today.

roger wyoming II · PostAug 12, 2015#732015-08-12T19:14+00:00

There's been a partial building collapse in the building abutting the Eads bridge.

dredger · PostAug 12, 2015#742015-08-12T19:20+00:00

^ Post Dispatch has photo in their article and a note about watering pouring out of second floor.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... 458a9.html

Water poured from the second floor on the front of the building

gregl · PostAug 12, 2015#752015-08-12T19:24+00:00

STL Today article:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... 458a9.html

Landing Development

Choose Display Mode