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framer wrote: ↑

Jul 07, 2017

The Hill has a great location. The only reason it's not booming more than it is is because the neighbors seem to be anti-growth.

As a former resident, the sentiment was that more single family housing would have been excellent. No one wants to live next to graffitied, vacant warehouses.

I understand adding density, but the Hill is pretty far from the core of the city and single family, two and four family flats are more of the norm. They did add a fair amount of single family structures, but the apartment building looks very cheap.

The warehouses could have been turned into condo lofts with retail I would think and the fabric would be the same and be welcomed. The only good thing coming from this is maybe restoration of one or two small segments of the street grid? Just my opinion. It's a desirable place to raise a family, which is what the city is lacking in a large way.

aprice wrote: ↑

Jul 07, 2017

framer wrote: ↑

Jul 07, 2017

the neighbors seem to be anti-growth.

Understatement of the year.

The apartment proposal did win the majority of neighbors vote (55% I believe). Townhomes seem to be popular on the Hill so at least we are getting more density (4 planned further down Shaw).

Back to the topic at hand demo permit was approved July 6 for the factory. So expect to see that eyesore gone in the next month or so

bwcrow1s wrote: ↑

Jul 07, 2017

It's a desirable place to raise a family, which is what the city is lacking in a large way.

I might have to take issue with this in one way. Is the Hill really anymore or less desirable a place to raise a family than the Tower Grove area or Southampton or Dogtown or probably a few other mostly in tact residential neighborhoods in the city?

I'd suggest not really.

The difference is that the Hill has it's own special reputation amongst people who live in other parts of the region. And that reputation colors their perception maybe beyond reality.

To those people the city (and all of its neighborhoods) is a crime ridden place where kids don't belong. But the Hill is that great Italian neighborhood with good restaurants that they like to stop at for dinner on their way to a game.

And I guess it's not a bad thing that there is a neighborhood that those people are able to get past the other concerns and see it in a more positive light. I just don't think it's necessarily accurate relative to how other areas are viewed.

^ absolutely.... I personally think there is no better neighborhood better to raise children than Tower Grove South but I know lots of other parents think the same about their own, different neighborhood; we have a lot of wonderful neighborhoods with differing appeals and if some prefer to walk over to Gioia's Deli for lunch with their kids and then over to Berra playground instead of walking over to Union Loafers and then the Botanical Garden then more power to them. And vice-versa. .

Factory is 35% down. They're moving quick.


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It's probably 80% torn down now. Never realized how large that building is

Lookint at th3 warehouse about a month ago, it could have been totally rehabbed into rowhouses, and look really good, at least the portion by Rigazzi's.

Zero creativity with this one. It's getting old. Thanks Vollmer.

bwcrow1s wrote: ↑

Dec 21, 2017

Lookint at th3 warehouse about a month ago, it could have been totally rehabbed into rowhouses, and look really good, at least the portion by Rigazzi's.

Zero creativity with this one. It's getting old. Thanks Vollmer.

Yep, that was a cool building.

bwcrow1s wrote: ↑

Dec 21, 2017

Lookint at th3 warehouse about a month ago, it could have been totally rehabbed into rowhouses, and look really good, at least the portion by Rigazzi's.

Zero creativity with this one. It's getting old. Thanks Vollmer.

Yea even the side on Bischoff was amazing looking when it was one of the last sections standing. I'm tempted to run against Vollmer during his next term.

Here's some photos I took yesterday of the McBride and Sons development on the Hill and a picture of Piazza Imo.

I didn't see a specific forum for this, so I created one.  Mods - if this needs to be placed elsewhere, please move.

^^^Thanks for the heads-up, I'll look for the forum.

Chris posted these pics of the first of the McBride houses on Facebook. Pretty inauspicious start, if you ask me. 

If you had enough of those close enough together I think they'd look fine. I really hope one day someone finds a way to make brick facades price competitive with faux wood facades. Or maybe just color matches the stuff to the brick and quits pretending it's wood. That alone would go a long way. Just make it brick colored panels?

^Put enough of these together, and you'd have a perfect set for a Spaghetti Western.  Needs a few hitchin' posts though.

symphonicpoet wrote: ↑

Feb 27, 2020

If you had enough of those close enough together I think they'd look fine. I really hope one day someone finds a way to make brick facades price competitive with faux wood facades. Or maybe just color matches the stuff to the brick and quits pretending it's wood. That alone would go a long way. Just make it brick colored panels?

Or, you know, just pay for it because they're already getting tax abatement and lacked a fundamental level of imagination to turn the existing warehouses into something iconic.  I'm still sour over it, sorry.

THIS is why they demolished the gorgeous old warehouse on Daggett across from Rigazzi's? It looks like north city affordable housing. Hideous. I can't believe historic buildings are still getting razed in thriving city neighborhoods for sh*t like this.

Jeez...I just noticed the fake stone "foundation"/"wainscoting". It's even worse than I first thought. 

bwcrow1s wrote: ↑

Feb 27, 2020

Or, you know, just pay for it because they're already getting tax abatement and lacked a fundamental level of imagination to turn the existing warehouses into something iconic.  I'm still sour over it, sorry.

Sorry. Thought this was the project up on the north side to build affordable housing. Did not realize this was the Dagget project. I grant your point entirely.

framer wrote: ↑

Feb 27, 2020

Jeez...I just noticed the fake stone "foundation"/"wainscoting". It's even worse than I first thought. 

I didn't have much faith in the final product, with it being Mcbride and Sons.  Here's to hoping the apartment project is better.

The one warehouse had, what I felt, similar massing and style as the Woodward lofts.  And then the frontage by Rigazzi's could have been converted to brownstone style 2 story condos.  I know there was some fire damage but there wasn't very much imagination with this one.  Had I still lived in the neighborhood I'd have been yelling and laughing at this project.  Cuggiono is already bad enough.  Anyways, business as usual with Vollmer, unfortunately.

Another stellar project my Mcbride,No better than their work in Botanical Heights. Any possibility that the Board of Aldermen can been them from anymore projects in the city?

"brand new floorplans" isn't an amenity. 

Brick veneer fronts! Yas! Solid as a rock.