urbanSTL

chris fuller wrote: ↑

Apr 05, 2022

The West has made a snap judgment about who is responsible for the massacre at the Ukrainian town of Bucha with calls for more stringent sanctions on Russia, but the question of guilt is far from decided, writes  Joe Lauria.
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/04/04/questions-abound-about-bucha-massacre/

"Independent Journalism" - sure, I wonder how is the weather in Omsk?

As a whole, the damage to Kiev is fairly minor and concentrated on a few suburbs in the northwestern quarter of the city. Much more depressing is the damage to Chernihiv, Kharkiv and Mariupol, the latter of which is practically leveled.

"Ukrainian Architectural Landmarks Face the Threat of Destruction"

https://www.archdaily.com/979635/ukrain ... H4pVU0kffI

For 25 years, people like myself have been saying that if Nato and Western alliances expand beyond certain red lines, especially into Ukraine, there will be a war.
https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/ukraine/2022/04/russia-cannot-afford-to-lose-so-we-need-a-kind-of-a-victory-sergey-karaganov-on-what-putin-wants

I think you will need to find a different, more receptive audience for Russian propaganda than urbanstl.com.

chris fuller wrote: ↑

Apr 09, 2022

Those in the West are being fed a daily supply of breathless reports about the fierce Ukrainian dog that is savaging the Russians but I do not hear or see any evidence of the big bark. Is there no dog? Are the Ukrainians sleeping? Or are they biding their time? Consider the following:

• Hordes of Western journalists were ushered into Bucha to record the horrors of an alleged Russian atrocity, but I have not seen any of those journalists on the frontlines with the Ukrainians who are actually fighting Russians.
• Russia has hit dozens of airfields, military bases and supply depots with Air Launched Cruise Missiles and other land based hypersonic missiles but the Western reporters are mute.
• Russia has control of most of Mariupol and only reporters embedded with Russia are reporting (and they are doing so from the front).
• The alleged atrocity uncovered in Mariupol was not reported until April 2nd, but had supposedly be carried out in the preceding two weeks. Why did U.S. intelligence fail to report on any of this prior to the 2nd? The U.S. has terrific capabilities with overhead satellites to capture action on the ground. It also can intercept Russian military communications, such as orders to execute civilians or cleanse a town. Do you think that General Milley and his press flacks would have hesitated to beat that propaganda drum? That is a dog that did not bark.
• Also worth noting that suburban towns surrounding Kiev reportedly taken back from the Russians did not show mountains of wrecked Russian armor or dead Russians littering the landscape.
• We have seen brutal images of Ukrainian forces murdering Russian captives. It was so bad that even Ukrainian officials had to go on TV to denounce the actions.

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I think you need to take off the tin foil cap and look around for a bit, consider the following:

"Those in the West are being fed a daily supply of breathless reports about the fierce Ukrainian dog that is savaging the Russians but I do not hear or see any evidence of the big bark. Is there no dog? Are the Ukrainians sleeping? Or are they biding their time? Consider the following:"
- There are no breathless reports of Ukraine savaging the Russians, instead it was reported as a great victory that Ukraine was even able to stall the Russian advances much less launch counterattacks, I'm not sure where you're getting your news from.

"Hordes of Western journalists were ushered into Bucha to record the horrors of an alleged Russian atrocity, but I have not seen any of those journalists on the frontlines with the Ukrainians who are actually fighting Russians."
- There have been many reports from journalists on the frontlines, off the top of my head I see regular reports in the New York Times about specific fighting and specific actions taken by the Ukrainian army, there are fewer reports from the front lines than from behind them but that makes perfect sense since it's harder and more dangerous to be at the front lines not to mention no sane army would ever willing allow their troop movements and strategies to be reported in real time.

"Russia has hit dozens of airfields, military bases and supply depots with Air Launched Cruise Missiles and other land based hypersonic missiles but the Western reporters are mute."
- There have been multiple reports of Russian attacks, where are you getting news that those aren't being reported? I have seen multiple articles along the lines of "Russia has destroyed multiple Ukrainian facilities, how is their air force still flying" and "Russia is attacking Ukrainian fuel depots" and "Russia is using hypersonic missiles, does the US also have this technology." Headlines along these lines are on the webpages of nearly every western media source.

"Russia has control of most of Mariupol and only reporters embedded with Russia are reporting (and they are doing so from the front)."
- Is it at all surprising that the only reports out of Mariupol are from reporters embedded with Russians? The city is under siege and barely anyone or any information from the Ukrainian side is getting out, of course news from that side is going to be sparse. That said, it definitely does happen, refugees that were able to escape are being interviewed and organizations are trying to get as much news as they can.

"The alleged atrocity uncovered in Mariupol was not reported until April 2nd, but had supposedly be carried out in the preceding two weeks. Why did U.S. intelligence fail to report on any of this prior to the 2nd? The U.S. has terrific capabilities with overhead satellites to capture action on the ground. It also can intercept Russian military communications, such as orders to execute civilians or cleanse a town. Do you think that General Milley and his press flacks would have hesitated to beat that propaganda drum? That is a dog that did not bark."
- What specific atrocity are you referring to? The events in Mariupol have been more or less an ongoing atrocity.  For the reasons mentioned above it takes time to get news from Ukrainian sources out of Mariupol since it's hard to get anything or anyone out of Mariupol. Based on your other comments, I would assume any delay in news is due to either the difficulty of reporting or you personally just not seeing it reported right away regardless of whether it has been published.

"Also worth noting that suburban towns surrounding Kiev reportedly taken back from the Russians did not show mountains of wrecked Russian armor or dead Russians littering the landscape."
- Have you not seen pictures of the areas retaken? Destroyed Russian vehicles are all over the place, again I question where you are getting your news if you have not seen this.

"We have seen brutal images of Ukrainian forces murdering Russian captives. It was so bad that even Ukrainian officials had to go on TV to denounce the actions."
- We have seen some videos of atrocities committed by people in Ukrainian uniforms. There probably have been atrocities committed by Ukrainians, no one denies that as you note yourself, there are typically atrocities committed by all sides in any war. It belies all evidence to claim that Russians haven't committed far more in this conflict (not to mention not a single Russian soldier would be harmed if they didn't invade in the first place). I would also caution to take any video with a grain of salt, Russia has a long documented history of producing fake propaganda.

Your claims are all things that are easily explained if not logical, or are outright false. If you really believe half of the bullets you listed I have serious questions about where you are getting your news because nearly every item you listed I have seen extensively covered for a while now.

Every now and then this country, and for that matter the ACLU, does the right thing:

The American Civil Liberties Union helped scuttle a bill this week that would have enabled the Biden administration to liquidate Russian oligarchs’ assets and turn the proceeds over to Ukraine.

ACLU officials told lawmakers Tuesday that the legislation could run afoul of due-process protections in the U.S. Constitution because it does not allow its targets to challenge the government’s actions in court, according to two people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe private talks. ACLU officials warned that the measure would probably be struck down by the judicial branch if enacted as proposed, giving Russia a potential propaganda victory over the United States, the people said.

What is wrong with you?

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Sorry dude sharing disinformation from a warmongering dictatorship that controls its state media and is conducting an attritions war isn’t just drama. It’s plain stupid and pretty gross.


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How Kyiv was saved by Ukrainian ingenuity as well as Russian blunders
Gym mats and mobile phone apps helped Ukraine’s forces win the battle for the capital
https://www.ft.com/content/e87fdc60-0d5e-4d39-93c6-7cfd22f770e8

chris fuller wrote: ↑

Apr 12, 2022

The photos of Zelensky seated on a palatial staircase are chilling and creepy: a preening narcissist demanding attention while the world around him, for which he claims and bears the greatest responsibility, comes crashing down. The US and EU pooh-bahs must experience great satisfaction at the PR savvy of ‘their man’.
STRIKE A POSE

We get it. You hate the Ukrainian President and hope the Russians obliterate him and his people. Makes sense. While photoshoots aren’t very wise at this point, you could’ve left out a good chunk of your post.

Dude, you should go post this stuff in the Breitbart comment section or any other pro-Putin venue. Instead of paying attention to random internet trolls who are probably based in Omsk or Novosibirsk, you can read about the atrocities committed by your beloved dictator in credible media venues:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... error.html

chris fuller wrote: ↑

Apr 12, 2022

The photos on a staircase are chilling and creepy: a preening narcissist demanding attention while the world around him, for which he claims and bears the greatest responsibility, comes crashing down.

The link you included doesn't appear to work. Here's one that does:

thats it?? A photo shop of YOUR Trump??
There are  reporters on the ground there like Graham Philips, Anne-Laure Bonnel and Sonja van den Ende. Also on Twitter, look for Venessa Beeley (https://twitter.com/VanessaBeeley) & Eva Karene Bartlett (https://twitter.com/EvaKBartlett)
AND DONIGER!
Doniger, to be clear, is  important if we want to understand Russian nationalism and many of the things that have happened within Russia over the last 20-30 years: esp. their version of “grievance culture”.  If Poland is the boo radley of Europe, Russia is definitely the crazy uncle in the attic who gets let out every now and then only to say weird sh*t that the polite people don’t understand.i see Dugin as a Russian version of Mencius Moldbug.
https://twitter.com/SDonziger?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

How can you possibly be stumping for Russia at this point especially after Bucha.

Absolutely vile, supporting Russian Fascists

once you bring out all the drama persons and cast them aside
Than one can present brilliance:
Wow... This article deserves a Pulitzer Prize, and then some.
Thank you Seth
The Ten Hardest Truths About the War in Europe
The author of a bestseller on Russia, Ukraine, and links between the Russia-Ukraine conflict and U.S. politics reveals 10 terrifying things about the worst military crisis in Europe since 1945.
https://sethabramson.substack.com/p/the-ten-hardest-truths-about-the?s=r

chris fuller wrote: ↑

Apr 12, 2022

once you bring out all the drama persons and cast them aside
Than one can present brilliance:
Wow... This article deserves a Pulitzer Prize, and then some.
Thank you Seth
The Ten Hardest Truths About the War in Europe
The author of a bestseller on Russia, Ukraine, and links between the Russia-Ukraine conflict and U.S. politics reveals 10 terrifying things about the worst military crisis in Europe since 1945.
https://sethabramson.substack.com/p/the-ten-hardest-truths-about-the?s=r

I have to admit he lost me when he referred to Western government as "democracy".

It's sort of darkly humorous to see all the articles by Americans about how "Russian leaders are in the thrall of these nationalist, self-righteous delusions of grandeur, can you believe this craziness?" with no hint of irony.

@walker or @MattnSTL can we lock this thread or at the very least move all the politics somewhere else? This thread is starting to go off the rails. 

LOL. now it's a party.