3 Additional Drawings of Hotel Bravo @Kauffman Center.
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Maybe it's because I live in KC and am Downtown all the time, but these pictures look almost exactly the same lol. Minus the large missing tree to the left, and a tiny bit of Two Light poking out. Let's hope some of these proposed buildings have better design then some of the more recent stuff I've been seeing around here. Most of this stuff looks like it's right out the Denver FUGLY page on Facebook.chriss752 wrote: ↑Oct 02, 2018Here is a photo to show just how much Downtown Kc and the Crossroads have built up in 3 years. I took the first photo on June 22nd, 2015 from the Link Bridge by Union Station. It is below.
This second photo was from September 30th, 2018 from the same location and it's shocking to see how many things have been built (with even more in the pipeline). Next year, I expect a crane to be up at Three Light, the 1800 project to be underway and Hotel Bravo to have a crane up. I also expect to see City Club making an appearance in this view.
Since the first photo was taken...
COMPLETED
- One Light
- Two Light
- Power and Light Building
- Corrigan Station 1
- Residence Inn/Courtyard Hotel
- 1914 Main
- Home 2 Suites
- The Streetcar
- Lead Bank sign
Under Construction
- Loews Hotel
- Hampton Inn on Main (barely visible behind Mainmark)
- Corrigan Station 2 (barely visible beneath Lead Bank)
- City Club (just began)
Proposed
- 1800 Walnut
- Hotel Bravo
- Three Light
- H&R 2 (Possible)
I think this is a good idea since the hotel was of "blah" design anyway. They could've done something like their Downtown Nashville hotel but instead went with a boring design. something better will come along. Plus, the major influx of hotel rooms was a major factor in backing out. Over 1500 hotel rooms are coming online or are under construction in Downtown KC, so it would've been a risky move. Another reason was that they didn't get their tax incentives.
I think it's up to 42 gates now and 40% larger than previously planned.The Mayor wrote: ↑Nov 05, 2018Kansas City's new airport terminal has seen it's cost balloon to nearly $2 billion and is about a year behind schedule. Haven't even started moving dirt yet. That's a lot of money for just 35 gates.
https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/edit ... 31000.html
It did get bigger but it's only 39 gates. 4 more then the original 35 that were planned. Regardless this project is likely to get more expensive considering it hasn't even broke ground yet. $2 billion for a few extra gates and some larger waiting areas in a pretty uninspired design is a boat load of money. As a KC resident and a monthly user of KCI, I'd like to see something better for that kind of cash. With buildings like the Kauffman Center, Sprint Center, the city's historic Art Deco buildings, and several others, KC has a wonderful architectural history. Too bad this terminal won't be a part of that.Shindig wrote: ↑Nov 06, 2018I think it's up to 42 gates now and 40% larger than previously planned.The Mayor wrote: ↑Nov 05, 2018Kansas City's new airport terminal has seen it's cost balloon to nearly $2 billion and is about a year behind schedule. Haven't even started moving dirt yet. That's a lot of money for just 35 gates.
https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/edit ... 31000.html
Oh I agree. They keep removing cool features from it like the scalloped roof, but the price keeps going up. In the latest rendering I saw the overhead walkways were removed between the large new parking garage and the terminal...What. That will be fun to cross over 4 lanes of traffic.The Mayor wrote: ↑Nov 06, 2018It did get bigger but it's only 39 gates. 4 more then the original 35 that were planned. Regardless this project is likely to get more expensive considering it hasn't even broke ground yet. $2 billion for a few extra gates and some larger waiting areas in a pretty uninspired design is a boat load of money. As a KC resident and a monthly user of KCI, I'd like to see something better for that kind of cash. With buildings like the Kauffman Center, Sprint Center, the city's historic Art Deco buildings, and several others, KC has a wonderful architectural history. Too bad this terminal won't be a part of that.Shindig wrote: ↑Nov 06, 2018I think it's up to 42 gates now and 40% larger than previously planned.The Mayor wrote: ↑Nov 05, 2018Kansas City's new airport terminal has seen it's cost balloon to nearly $2 billion and is about a year behind schedule. Haven't even started moving dirt yet. That's a lot of money for just 35 gates.
https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/edit ... 31000.html
The issue is entirely between the airlines. There is a disagreement between the majors + Alaskan and Spirit+Allegiant on how to split the cost of a $20million baggage system.jshank83 wrote: ↑Nov 15, 2018More troubles in KC airport land. I am sure this gets done at some point but it has been a mess so far. One of the other firms that didn't win the bid is saying they would do it for way less. The airlines aren't signed on even though the city council was told they were on board.
https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/ai ... -price-tag
The city confirmed yesterday that they haven't talked with B&M nor do they have any interest in doing so. It's interesting to note that B&M was not the runner up anyways. The final developer agreement with Edgemoor has already been introduced to the council.Southwest plans to make Kansas City into more of a midcontinent connecting hub. “It’s time to find something that’s cost effective and meets the operational and customer experience needs at an airport,” Mr. Sisneros says(Southwest Airlines).
That doesn't seem like it should be that big an issue to figure out at least. 20 mil is pocket change in the grand scheme of things. But it is a little shady the city council was told they were ready to go when they aren't.ldai_phs wrote: ↑Nov 16, 2018The issue is entirely between the airlines. There is a disagreement between the majors + Alaskan and Spirit+Allegiant on how to split the cost of a $20million baggage system.jshank83 wrote: ↑Nov 15, 2018More troubles in KC airport land. I am sure this gets done at some point but it has been a mess so far. One of the other firms that didn't win the bid is saying they would do it for way less. The airlines aren't signed on even though the city council was told they were on board.
https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/ai ... -price-tag
The following is an excerpt from the Wall Street Journal.The city confirmed yesterday that they haven't talked with B&M nor do they have any interest in doing so. It's interesting to note that B&M was not the runner up anyways. The final developer agreement with Edgemoor has already been introduced to the council.Southwest plans to make Kansas City into more of a midcontinent connecting hub. “It’s time to find something that’s cost effective and meets the operational and customer experience needs at an airport,” Mr. Sisneros says(Southwest Airlines).
I like the design because of how modern it looks but I dislike the way it looks like One Light just spruced up. The garage is also blah.The Mayor wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2018I both like and dislike this design at the same time. Can't figure out why.
This would be a great fit for Burns and McDonnell since they're in the process of building out their Ward Parkway campus.
https://www.kansascity.com/news/busines ... 40650.html
Interesting that they have been doing some work behind the scenes. Maybe Starbucks will move in like they wanted to. I give this a 95% chance of this happening and the KC City Council will really have to ***** up to see this one go "bye bye".ldai_phs wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2018I’ve been told by pretty good sources that this project will be fully leased before open. I also know today’s announcement comes after some pretty significant, not yet announced, deals have been made in regards to leasing.
Note: this is just the first multi tenant office since 1992. Other single tenant office spaces have been built in the 2000s
Starbucks picked Atlanta (as far as the coverage I saw), which let's be honest, is a wiser choice than KC.chriss752 wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2018Interesting that they have been doing some work behind the scenes. Maybe Starbucks will move in like they wanted to. I give this a 95% chance of this happening and the KC City Council will really have to f*** up to see this one go "bye bye".ldai_phs wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2018I’ve been told by pretty good sources that this project will be fully leased before open. I also know today’s announcement comes after some pretty significant, not yet announced, deals have been made in regards to leasing.
Note: this is just the first multi tenant office since 1992. Other single tenant office spaces have been built in the 2000s
I got a Mid Century Modern vibe from this project as you can see in the image below but I can see your architectural design in this too. This was posted by the Last Gentleman on the KCRag showing the building in the skyline. Personally, I think it will be slightly taller.symphonicpoet wrote: I like it. It seems like a neat project. I like the way the fenestration and ledges in the new building respond to the screen of the garage below. It's almost a throwback to streamlined moderne, which is a great style to call out.
Yes. Starbucks in Atlanta seems like a better move, but still. The garage needs some work and I agree that the P&L is underwhelming in terms of design but at least it improves the aesthetics when walking around. The building that Strata will be built on top of will look out of place once this is complete. Also, according to a conversation I had with Kevin Collision, the new office building overlooking Barney Allis Plaza (14th and Wyandotte) will more than likely happen now since he heard the same thing IDAI heard. People at the KCRag are saying that this specific project has grown as well so tons of new Spec office space planned in a tow block area in Downtown KC.The Mayor wrote:Starbucks picked Atlanta (as far as the coverage I saw), which let's be honest, is a wiser choice than KC.chriss752 wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2018Interesting that they have been doing some work behind the scenes. Maybe Starbucks will move in like they wanted to. I give this a 95% chance of this happening and the KC City Council will really have to f*** up to see this one go "bye bye".ldai_phs wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2018I’ve been told by pretty good sources that this project will be fully leased before open. I also know today’s announcement comes after some pretty significant, not yet announced, deals have been made in regards to leasing.
Note: this is just the first multi tenant office since 1992. Other single tenant office spaces have been built in the 2000s
I like the office portion, though I agree it does look like a slightly improved One Light. I think my dislike comes from the building underneath it, I've always thought the P&L district was very underwhelming architecturally (outside of H&R Block, I love that building). I also don't like the garage. I also hate the fact KCMO is on the hook for ANOTHER P&L garage, this one costing the city close to $36 million. It would have been nice to see something taller, maybe more along the lines of the office towers Centene is building in St. Louis, but KC couldn't support that height right now. Either way, nice to see spec office space coming online soon.
I imagine this will sail through the Council fairly easily, this is a big deal for KC. However, if what idai said is true and it'll likely be fully leased before it opens then not a dime in additional incentives should be given out on top of that ridiculous parking garage.



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