Jefferson Arms Apartments - 415 North Tucker Blvd

Randy · PostFeb 25, 2016#762016-02-25T17:07+00:00

^ Butler Brothers building redevelopment could be an important project to complement Union Station redevelopment (3 blocks away), providing residential density and foot traffic in DT West.

Along with Jefferson Arms, could also be a strong anchor for the Lindell-Olive streetcar.

https://web.reflexcre.com/REflexWebData ... 8/6096.pdf

CarexCurator · PostFeb 25, 2016#772016-02-25T17:16+00:00

How many units would fit in there? That would certainly make the 7-11 more crowded.

Randy · PostFeb 25, 2016#782016-02-25T17:20+00:00

^ RE: Butler Brothers building: A preliminary redevelopment plan includes 342 multifamily units with 397 garage parking spaces and two retail spaces.

CarexCurator · PostFeb 25, 2016#792016-02-25T17:56+00:00

sorry. should have read more carefully. Quite a prize. Equal distance between the tap room and the library. Ann Lucas Hunt's house used to be there at the western end of the Lucas Place neighborhood.

eee123 · PostFeb 25, 2016#802016-02-25T21:24+00:00

CarexCurator wrote:How many units would fit in there? That would certainly make the 7-11 more crowded.

Or equally crowded, just with actual customers instead of people using the outside of the building as a drug marketplace, bathroom panhandling hotspot and general hangout.

addxb2 · PostFeb 27, 2016#812016-02-27T20:49+00:00

I hope with Jefferson Arms we can get Aldermen to approve funding for lane reductions and pedestrian safety. City needs to make huge improvements to Tucker Blvd. Great potential to become a huge pedestrian connector from North to South Downtown. I crossed this one at city hall...not even a bit of protection with cars going well over 40mph.

All these medians could've been extended four feet and would've given some protection.

Why wouldn't I live at Jefferson Arms? Because I dont feel like living on a highway.

deformative · PostFeb 27, 2016#822016-02-27T20:58+00:00

Would be easy candidate for taking out a lane and copying Indianapolis' cultural trail down towards Lafayette Square/Soulard and up to Old North.

eee123 · PostFeb 27, 2016#832016-02-27T21:33+00:00

addxb2 wrote:I hope with Jefferson Arms we can get Aldermen to approve funding for lane reductions and pedestrian safety. City needs to make huge improvements to Tucker Blvd. Great potential to become a huge pedestrian connector from North to South Downtown. I crossed this one at city hall...not even a bit of protection with cars going well over 40mph.

All these medians could've been extended four feet and would've given some protection.

Why wouldn't I live at Jefferson Arms? Because I dont feel like living on a highway.

All of our downtown crosswalks like the one in front of City Hall are totally unenforced and without consequence to violators.

Those pedestrian crossings at the newly refurbished part of Tucker are better, but the way the traffic turning onto Tucker from cross streets gets the turn arrow, followed by the green light/walk signal combo to cross Tucker is horrific for pedestrians when busy.

The cars don't stop turning. You have to play chicken to get them to stop. Most don't likely even comprehend what they're doing wrong. Having the turn arrow come before the walk signal shows a total disregard for pedestrians.

framer · PostFeb 28, 2016#842016-02-28T02:28+00:00

Didn't the City have plans to re-do Tucker with large medians a few years back? Are those plans dead?

Randy · PostFeb 28, 2016#852016-02-28T02:39+00:00

^ Tucker is definitely treated more like a highway than a local street by most drivers. Lane reductions/narrowing and traffic calming measures would be much appreciated.

Presbyterian · PostFeb 28, 2016#862016-02-28T02:42+00:00

framer wrote:Didn't the City have plans to re-do Tucker with large medians a few years back? Are those plans dead?

2004 plan, but not funded:

Randy · PostFeb 28, 2016#872016-02-28T17:47+00:00

^ Any chance this can still be funded? As someone who often has to cross Tucker between Downtown and Downtown west, it would be a huge improvement. I would think SLU Law, Park Pacific, Jefferson Arms, and all the recent KSDK coverage regarding how dangerous Tucker is for pedestrians would necessitate it.

addxb2 · PostFeb 28, 2016#882016-02-28T20:31+00:00

Would have to push Alderman Coatar to it. I'd like to see the developers on Jefferson Arms use it as a bargaining chip. We'll do this, if you do this. Would definitely benefit their property values.

PostFeb 28, 2016#892016-02-28T20:36+00:00

You could also get Gravois Plan involved, since they're essentially the same street.

CarexCurator · PostFeb 28, 2016#902016-02-28T23:14+00:00

Wide medians are great when they service buses and streetcars, but wouldn't it be nicer to have wider sidewalks than to have huge medians? A thinner median in the above images could allow one of the sidewalks to practically double in width and allow plenty of room for plants closer to where the people are.

St. Louis sidewalks are always too narrow and unshaded.

Randy · PostFeb 28, 2016#912016-02-28T23:42+00:00

Is there enough space and bus traffic for this along Tucker downtown (between Spruce and Washington)?

http://nacto.org/publication/urban-stre ... bus-lanes/

dbInSouthCity · PostFeb 28, 2016#922016-02-28T23:58+00:00

Probably not and st.louisans would just ignore the bus only and police wouldn't enforce

Presbyterian · PostFeb 29, 2016#932016-02-29T01:03+00:00

CarexCurator wrote:Wide medians are great when they service buses and streetcars, but wouldn't it be nicer to have wider sidewalks than to have huge medians? A thinner median in the above images could allow one of the sidewalks to practically double in width and allow plenty of room for plants closer to where the people are.

St. Louis sidewalks are always too narrow and unshaded.

I agree.

dredger · PostFeb 29, 2016#942016-02-29T05:27+00:00

^ The other issue with wide medians is the landscape & irrigation maintenance goes down hill fast, last on the priority list and typically their is no vested interested on either side of the street to help out. Have to agree with Carex, it makes sense to look at the widening the sidewalks first, add foliage. Especially if their is no immediate plans to return the center RoW to transit.

CarexCurator · PostFeb 29, 2016#952016-02-29T13:14+00:00

I thought Brightside, Gateway Greening, and the Master Gardeners had a program to maintain downtown medians. I do not see it online now that I'm looking for it. I guess the passage of time does things like that.

Well I did hear some promising things about the medians on Grand maybe getting an expanded tax district up to 44. SLU might even kick in. Still awaiting better gossip though.

pat · PostFeb 29, 2016#962016-02-29T14:15+00:00

Well I did hear some promising things about the medians on Grand maybe getting an expanded tax district up to 44. SLU might even kick in. Still awaiting better gossip though.

Ugh. I was hoping they would rip those out, take out the bike lanes and make a BRT ROW down the center of Grand.

roger wyoming II · PostFeb 29, 2016#972016-02-29T14:24+00:00

I don't know any details on the new configuration, but I believe that the Market Street landscaped median will be removed as part of the Kiener Plaza revamp. I also think the "hallway"feature that is in place for the Citygarden blocks will be part of the project. I would love to see widened sidewalks on Chestnut and Market fronting the buildings to allow for more outdoor dining, etc. as well. Take advantage of that iconic venue!

As for Tucker streetspace, something needs to be done to soften up that bleak stretch and make it more welcoming, green and safe.

user28 · PostFeb 29, 2016#982016-02-29T14:34+00:00

Dedicated bus lanes are a must in the central corridor. It would really create a better and more organized transit environment in dense areas, most importantly for pedestrians and visitors to the city. In a recent trip to australia I noticed them in Melbourne, Sydney, and Brisbane not only in the CBDs but in other areas with dense foot, auto, and rail traffic alike. designated transit lanes made the cities navigable and nearly familiar, which created a sense of welcoming and organization. It made being in the city understandable and, in turn, enjoyable beyond just the standpoint of being on vacation. I support designated lanes and wide sidewalks whole heartedly.

dredger · PostMar 04, 2016#992016-03-04T14:01+00:00

Some more info and details from Post Dispatch.

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... 404dc.html

Mike Sarimsakci, president of Alterra International, toured the vacant Jefferson Arms on Wednesday with five other company officials. He said afterward the building is “a unique property” he hopes to buy this summer and begin a 2½-year renovation.

Sarimsakci has the building under contract with its owner, real estate investor David Jump. Alterra’s president declined to disclose the sale price and said the Jefferson Arms’ renovation cost had yet to be determined.

Market-rate apartments, a hotel and stores are possible for the blockwide building at 415 North Tucker Boulevard, Sarimsakci said

debaliviere · PostMar 04, 2016#1002016-03-04T15:55+00:00

Pleeeeeeeeeease make this happen, Mike.

Jefferson Arms Apartments - 415 North Tucker Blvd

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