Yeah, there was supposed to be a new gas station as a part of the promised development. Not saying Belleville is fawning over a gas station, but just wanted to highlight that of all the promises that were made for development next to Hofbrauhaus that they haven't even followed through on the easiest one to accomplish. Hence why I doubt those hotels will ever appear, especially as Hofbrauhaus fights to stay open.warwickland wrote: ↑Oct 31, 2019i'm sorry promised gas station?BelleVegas16 wrote: ↑Oct 02, 2019The promised hotel(s) would be great, but we'll see if they even happen. The promised gas station hasn't even happened, and the development has been marred with delay after delay. This is coming from someone who actually enjoys grabbing the occasional beer there and wants it to succeed as well.
Additionally, to DogtownBnR's point, it feels so cavernous because it's the largest Hofbrauhaus in the country. It is indeed bigger than Vegas'. Also, I have been there when they've had larger bands. The bands even walk around putting that massive horn on tables with patrons and playing. It can be interesting.
Hopefully they're able to get the place back on track.
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As a belleville resident Thake takes 15 home everyday I can't see how this places is still open its parking lot always seems Empty. It should of been built on a vacant lot in downtown Belleville
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I haven't been there yet. Looking at their website, it seems that this would do better somewhere like Westport.
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I can think of many better locations in the metro area, but it is what it is. Nothing against Belleville, just not a central location.
This place does no advertising outside of FB that I am not aware of. I haven't seen any billboards, ads, promotions, etc. They must do fine with the locals in the Belleville/Southern IL. area. You would think if they were teetering on the edge of closing, they'd make a big effort to stay afloat, considering the large investment. I think they built too big a building. The place does not have the intimacy of the Munich location. I hope they are doing good and stay open for a long time, but that seems like an uphill climb when they do zero promotion or ads in the area. I would make a big effort to get people to come from the entire region, especially from the MO. side.
This place does no advertising outside of FB that I am not aware of. I haven't seen any billboards, ads, promotions, etc. They must do fine with the locals in the Belleville/Southern IL. area. You would think if they were teetering on the edge of closing, they'd make a big effort to stay afloat, considering the large investment. I think they built too big a building. The place does not have the intimacy of the Munich location. I hope they are doing good and stay open for a long time, but that seems like an uphill climb when they do zero promotion or ads in the area. I would make a big effort to get people to come from the entire region, especially from the MO. side.
Never been inside but the view from the road back towards STL city is pretty nice.
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Went there once a few years ago for a birthday and the food was awful
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Maybe the new management turned things around but it will take years to dig themselves out of the reputational hole they dug. That's if it can even be done. I tend to want to give places another chance if it seems like they have made changes, but i doubt the wife would, even if it was convenient to get to, which its not.
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I went there a few years back and it was really good. Been 3 times since it opened, though relatively early on. Thoroughly enjoyed it. I did note the management change and hope things are back on the up and up.
It is close to the Lady of Snow Shrine, which gets a shocking number of visitors every year. They may be pulling enough covers by living off those visitors and the locals.
It is close to the Lady of Snow Shrine, which gets a shocking number of visitors every year. They may be pulling enough covers by living off those visitors and the locals.
The Shrine closed their restaurant during the pandemic and they used to do a pretty good business there.TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote: ↑Jul 19, 2022It is close to the Lady of Snow Shrine, which gets a shocking number of visitors every year. They may be pulling enough covers by living off those visitors and the locals.
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Wow, what a mess. I knew when they chose the Belleville location, they would face an uphill battle. This was never a good choice for a large regional attraction. They should have put this in a central location near other attractions. It could have been huge. Then when the hotel never go built, it made the situation even worse. Not to mention, as far as I know, they do very little advertising regionally.
Hopefully this is resolved soon. This place cannot afford to be offline for an extended period of time.
Hopefully this is resolved soon. This place cannot afford to be offline for an extended period of time.
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This should have been downtown or somewhere inside 270. even chesterfield valley.
Not saying metro east can't have nice things. theyre usually in Edwardsville and glen carbon.
Not saying metro east can't have nice things. theyre usually in Edwardsville and glen carbon.
Even along I-64 would've been better. At least people would drive by and maybe stop.
There's so little residential anywhere near there, and quite a bit of what is there is not affluent enough to pay their prices.
It's wild that a franchise would even allow that location after looking at a map of where likely customers live.
There's so little residential anywhere near there, and quite a bit of what is there is not affluent enough to pay their prices.
It's wild that a franchise would even allow that location after looking at a map of where likely customers live.
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I think this is going to be the final nail in the coffin for this place.
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This is a bit of a mess. Anyone know where this stands?
https://madisonrecord.com/stories/63957 ... nly-closes
https://madisonrecord.com/stories/63957 ... nly-closes
I saw this article back in June. Anyone heard the latest on this?
https://www.bnd.com/news/local/communit ... 84305.html
While an event space & club are better than nothing, the ideal outcome would be a new franchisee jumping in to ink a new agreement with Hofbrauhaus, reopen the original concept.
Court order and settlement was back in April of this year.
https://www.bnd.com/news/local/communit ... 57560.html
https://www.bnd.com/news/local/communit ... 84305.html
While an event space & club are better than nothing, the ideal outcome would be a new franchisee jumping in to ink a new agreement with Hofbrauhaus, reopen the original concept.
Court order and settlement was back in April of this year.
https://www.bnd.com/news/local/communit ... 57560.html
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I think this location failed for a reason... the location. I could name about 100 better sites in the St. Louis area for one of these to reopen if they choose to make another stab at STL.
Their other locations?
Cleveland: Central location, walkable to downtown
Pittsburgh: Central location, in one of their hottest walkable neighborhoods
Columbus: Central location, right by Newport on the Levee and right across the river (and walkable to) downtown Cincy
Buffalo: Central location, right near downtown. On a bit of an island but there is still pretty good stuff around to drive walk ins
Vegas: Central Location, not exactly walkable but not far from the strip
STL absolutely could support one of these. Imagine one of these at BPV, Union Station, or across the street from City Park. The most natural location IMO would be in or around Soulard, the occupied by Social House would be perfect being right next to the market.
Ultimate dream is they could be part of a reimagined Lemp Brewery complex
Their other locations?
Cleveland: Central location, walkable to downtown
Pittsburgh: Central location, in one of their hottest walkable neighborhoods
Columbus: Central location, right by Newport on the Levee and right across the river (and walkable to) downtown Cincy
Buffalo: Central location, right near downtown. On a bit of an island but there is still pretty good stuff around to drive walk ins
Vegas: Central Location, not exactly walkable but not far from the strip
STL absolutely could support one of these. Imagine one of these at BPV, Union Station, or across the street from City Park. The most natural location IMO would be in or around Soulard, the occupied by Social House would be perfect being right next to the market.
Ultimate dream is they could be part of a reimagined Lemp Brewery complex
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^Agree 100%. It’s crazy to me that smart business-people (maybe) saw this as the place they should invest millions and bring a unique destination restaurant/brew-pub to the market. Maybe they saw the German roots of the area, but agree. This would have killed it in the right location. I’d like to see it in the vacant Fields Food location in The L. Square area, with condos. I’d say Soulard but there’s not a good spot for it. I always wanted to see the old church and hall next door (forget the name but the church caught fire a few years back) turned into a traditional German beer hall.
Back to Hofbrauhaus… I’d like to see a new owner sign a franchise agreement and operate as originally intended, get some other development in the area. I think it could work.
Back to Hofbrauhaus… I’d like to see a new owner sign a franchise agreement and operate as originally intended, get some other development in the area. I think it could work.
I love when restaurants try a STL location and then put the restaurant in some no name suburb miles away from anything and then close when it inevitably fails.
Hofbrauhaus should go downtown, in the CWE, or at least one of our good suburbs like Kirkwood, Maplewood, or Clayton. Even Webser Groves. Lamp Brewery would be a decent location too. I think I'd ideally like to see it downtown though.
Hofbrauhaus should go downtown, in the CWE, or at least one of our good suburbs like Kirkwood, Maplewood, or Clayton. Even Webser Groves. Lamp Brewery would be a decent location too. I think I'd ideally like to see it downtown though.
The only way that building could survive with something in it is if someone else built the whole smash of sports fields as originally envisioned. We're talking what is in Chesterfield Valley. It would have to be soccer/football, baseball/softball plus hockey and indoor soccer.
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The developer delivered 1/3 the scope, and the other components - sports complex and convention hotel - are what would have driven enough foot traffic to sustain the restaurant. The drive in traffic for Lady of Snows was never going to get them there, and when they realized it they went off script to try to get traffic, then became unauthentic to the HB brand, ran afoul of their license agreement, ended in litigation and settlement. Since the other components are unlikely to be built, let’s hope the next iteration is downtown or just south. Those bars south of Paddy I’d would be great
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Yea needs to be in Downtown, Midtown, or Soulard. Would even work downtown Belleville, Kirkwood, or Benton Park. Can’t be completely separate from activity
I'd think Chesterfield Valley would be the best spot to roll this concept. The faux German architecture and building scale doesn't work for me in a city neighborhood context. Not to mention the parking lot.
I know the sit-down restaurants turn over/fail constantly in Chesterfield Valley, but Sybergs seems to have things dialed in as on a big hockey/baseball/soccer weekend places they will kill it business-wise from the fields and rinks. A friend's daughter worked there and she made great money.