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Grand Center Master Plan

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PostMay 27, 2011#1

Grand Center is developing a new master plan. Architect/Urban Planner Donald Stastny, of Portland, Oregon, will create the "overall vision and implementation plan".

According to Grand Center, the final three major rehabs (Metropolitan Bldg., Missouri Theater Bldg., and Sun Theater) will all be under way this year, so now it's time to start planning for the future (infill). The final master plan is supposed to be completed by this Fall.

Several public forums will be held, the first being June 23, at 5:30 PM at Powell Hall.

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PostMay 27, 2011#2

Nice to hear confidence in the three projects mentioned. Note that Stastny is the competition manager of the City+Arch+River design competition.

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PostMay 27, 2011#3

^ Thanks. That name sounded very familiar. Why do you think he's involved in this as well?

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PostMay 27, 2011#4

the count wrote:^ Thanks. That name sounded very familiar. Why do you think he's involved in this as well?
Because he knows the Arch competition will amount to little and he actually hopes to accomplish something for the city? I know I'm a bit harsh on the Arch, but I get a growing sense that the money just isn't going to be there for anything near what they need.

As for Grand Center, I really am hopeful for that spot. Getting rid of the blight of the Metropolitan will be a big step forward and look forward to the day when infill (beyond WKMU) begins.

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PostMay 27, 2011#5

the count wrote:^ Thanks. That name sounded very familiar. Why do you think he's involved in this as well?
He works on similar contacts all over the world. I imagine that the person hiring a consultant for Grand Center likely got to know him via the Arch competition, or at least got the recommendation from there.

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PostJun 22, 2011#6

Reminder: The first public forum is this Thursday, June 23, at Powell Hall.

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PostJun 22, 2011#7

Where can we find more info? We'll add it to the nextSTL calendar.

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PostJun 22, 2011#8

Here's the text of an e-mail message I received from the Saint Louis Symphony Orchestra giving more detail of tomorrow's Grand Center forum:


June 2011

Dear Subscriber,

Grand Center
Public Forum
June 23 at 5:30 p.m.
Powell Hall

Over the past decade, we have all witnessed significant strides in the Grand Center District’s physical redevelopment. This year, the final three historic buildings in the district (the Metropolitan Building, the Missouri Theater Building and the Sun Theater) are all planned to be under construction and should be completed by the end of 2012.

So, now it is time to begin to plan for the next phase of looking toward the future.

At the request of Grand Center, Inc. and several key executives of district institutions, Mayor Slay has asked 29 institutional, business and community leaders to serve on a Planning Committee to create a common vision for the next phase of development in Grand Center. The master plan will be based on the input of the cultural institutions, community organizations, businesses, residents and patrons who visit the district as well as interested citizens throughout the region.

The goal of this initiative is to develop a long-range vision for the Grand Center District that is commonly created. Unlike previous district plans that were developed and underwritten solely by Grand Center Inc., this plan is being funded by the participating institutions enabling a common ownership among the district’s major institutions, businesses and community leaders.

Over the course of the next six months, the design team is meeting with the members of the Planning and Steering Committees as well as district businesses and organizations. The planning process will also include public forums so that the Planning Committee can receive direct input from the community on the planning process. These committee meetings and subsequent public forums will help determine the common vision and course of the master plan. It is intended that the plan will include priorities of the next phase of district development and lay down progress markers for one–, five– and 10–year goals.

The first public forum will be held on June 23 at 5:30 p.m. at Powell Hall. We hope you will plan to attend this forum to review the planning process to that point and offer input into the project. Reservations are not required.

Should you have additional questions, please do not hesitate to contact Kelly Weber, VP of Marketing and Communications at kweber@grandcenter.org.

Sincerely,

Fred Bronstein

Fred Bronstein
President & CEO

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PostJun 22, 2011#9

Thanks.

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PostJun 22, 2011#10

If they do not look at their overabundance of parking and constant SLU demolitions then this plan is useless.

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PostJun 22, 2011#11

hugh ferriss wrote:Fred Bronstein
President & CEO
Completely off topic, but whoever decided to hire David Robertson, and later Fred Bronstein, really knocked it out of the park. I just hope we can hang on to them.

More on topic, I hope Fred and the Symphony have some input to this plan.

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doug wrote:If they do not look at their overabundance of parking and constant SLU demolitions then this plan is useless.
Maybe that's part of the plan. :)

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PostJun 23, 2011#13

Grand Center has said all along that existing surface lots will eventually be built on. This quote is from 2005 (relating to the construction of the Teachers Building on Olive):


"We've got to do something to get rid of all these surface parking lots out here," Schoemehl said. "They're non-urban (and) create a negative image," he said. "Grand Center is not in the business of continuing to operate parking lots. We are in the business of developing this neighborhood."

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PostJun 23, 2011#14

But then demolition of historic buildings is approved for MORE surface parking lots. Maybe Grand Center is saying that the Livery Stable was outside their footprint. I call BS.

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PostJun 23, 2011#15

Perhaps I'm simply not understanding this Interwebs thing, but when you're holding a public meeting to discuss your future, wouldn't it make sense to have it on your home page or daily events calendar?

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PostJun 24, 2011#16

I just returned from the Grand Center public forum. I would estimate there were somewhere between 150 and 180 people in attendance, with almost everyone being seated on the stage at Powell Hall. The entire proceedings were being taped by Channel 9, but it wasn't clear where or if the recording will be made available online.

After an introduction by Fred Bronstein, the main part of the session took the form of a slide presentation by Donald Stastny, outlining his group's concepts for Grand Center. This was followed by questions from audience members moderated by Mr. Stastny's associate Jennifer (Mannheim?). Alderwoman Marlene Davis was present, but only spoke during the Q&A session.

The current proposal focuses on the stretch of Grand between Delmar and Olive, together with three "spokes" either side of this axis, viz., Delmar, Washington and Olive between Spring on the west and just past Theresa on the east. Auxiliary north-south axes along Theresa and Spring may also be earmarked for redevelopment, with the portion of Spring between Olive and Washington undergoing a major transformation.

As regards Grand itself, the focus is on making the segment running through GC more pedestrian-friendly, which will involve a "road diet" to reduce it to three regular lanes plus parking lanes, with concomitant widening of the sidewalks to 18 feet and removal of the various obstacles that currently obstruct pedestrians. Similar measures will also be implemented on the "spokes" and parallel axes. Concern was expressed as to whether this narrowing of the roads in GC would exacerbate the existing traffic problems when Powell Hall and the Fox let out, and whether the constriction on Grand itself would cause trouble once the Grand overpass reopens and traffic volume returns to normal. The designers are apparently in discussions with the city's traffic department about this. The need to increase access by public transit was also discussed during the Q&A session, with specific reference to the proposals for bus rapid transit and the Olive streetcar project.

The subject of the excessive surface parking lots was brought up repeatedly by both Mr. Stastny and various audience members. At present, each institution in GC has its own agenda regarding parking and a coordinated policy is desirable. One audience member raised the possibility of building a parking garage to reduce the need for so many lots, but there was no explicit plan for a new garage at this stage, and Mr. Stastny seemed more interested in improving the experience of people walking between the existing lots and the venues in GC.

The other key element of the overall concept is to transform the neighborhood into a genuine community that is active all day, as opposed to a place that only comes alive for a few hours on evenings when there's a show or concert. It's intended to achieve this 24-hour activity by adding attractions that will bring people into the area during the day, as well as by increasing the number of full-time residents. However, it was pointed out that there are currently only a handful of spaces suitable for small businesses, making it difficult to attract enough stores, etc., to make the place a shopping/browsing destination. The possible construction of premises suitable for small businesses as infill on lots to the east of Grand was mentioned, and another idea is to create a concentration of artists-in-residence, but the financial aspect of this latter proposal seemed somewhat nebulous. There was also some talk of instituting walking tours focusing on the historical aspects of GC. A more pragmatic audience member pointed out that they need to find ways to bring people into the area who are ready and able to spend money there; if the visitors just come to look and don't patronize the businesses they won't survive. Another audience member emphasized the need to offer some form of free parking to accommodate browsers, etc., who would otherwise tend to stay away.

There will be another forum in late September or October to discuss the provisional plan in its more developed form, after which it will be presented to the City leaders. Meanwhile, anyone wishing to make comments on the existing plans or offer alternative suggestions is invited to write to Mr. Stastny's group at the following address:

gcplan2011@gmail.com

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PostJun 24, 2011#17

^Thanks for the recap. Much appreciated by those of us who could not attend!

As a side note, I always find it extremely ironic whenever someone uses the enigmatic "free parking to spur spending" logic...like someone who has a problem paying 3 dollars for parking is going to be burning up the plastic in the surrounding stores.

"Oh i would just LOVE to go buy those $200 jeans, but that damn $2 parking will just kill me. Better spend $12 in gas to go drive somewhere else to get them!"

Do people the people that are actually spending the money really have some evil disdain for paying a few quarters to park their car? Do the people that bring this up actually know anyone that spends money?

:D

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PostJun 24, 2011#18

Wonderful recap. Thank you.

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PostJun 24, 2011#19

I know a good way to improve the experience of people who are walking between lots: remove them. Hopefully something comes of this discussion.

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PostJun 24, 2011#20

newstl2020 wrote:As a side note, I always find it extremely ironic whenever someone uses the enigmatic "free parking to spur spending" logic...like someone who has a problem paying 3 dollars for parking is going to be burning up the plastic in the surrounding stores.

"Oh i would just LOVE to go buy those $200 jeans, but that damn $2 parking will just kill me. Better spend $12 in gas to go drive somewhere else to get them!"

Do people the people that are actually spending the money really have some evil disdain for paying a few quarters to park their car? Do the people that bring this up actually know anyone that spends money?

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Competitive disadvantage. They can go to Plaza Frontenac or The Boulevard and park close and for free, or they have to screw with meters or a paid lot.
However, it was pointed out that there are currently only a handful of spaces suitable for small businesses, making it difficult to attract enough stores, etc., to make the place a shopping/browsing destination.
Perhaps they should build a two-story building at the southern entrance to Grand Center, say Grand and Lindell, and populate it with stores, restaurants, etc. :twisted:

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PostJun 25, 2011#21

The parking situation would change if they introduced the debit system. I prefer parking on the street and refuse to park in lots, but I rarely have change. This way, the meters have the advantage of no money physically changing hands, which is what I believe people dislike about lots. They don't want to hand over that $10 bill. 75 Cents an hour? Charge it!

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PostJul 11, 2011#23

johndavis wrote:Article today on stltoday.

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... 974ad.html
Nice article, I hope their right about work starting on the Metropolitan conversion to artist lofts within weeks. To have the Hotel follow by the end of year would be great and set the stage for infill as the next logical step going forward.

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PostAug 17, 2011#24

I ran across these articles while searching the St. Louis Post-Dispatch for some other research.
Its interesting to note the date of these articles and our ex-mayor's attempts/plans...
DOWNTOWN NOW LEADER CONTRADICTS SCHOEMEHL REGARDING SHUTTLE LINE TO GRAND CENTER
SOURCE: Jerry Berger
PUBLICATION: St. Louis Post-Dispatch (MO)
DATE: May 30, 2001
SECTION: NEWS
EDITION: FIVE STAR LIFT
PAGE: A2
WORD COUNT: 855
ID#: 0105300266
BUS TOKEN: Is there a last-minute fly waiting to fall into the $17 million bowl of soup planned for Washington Avenue? With work on the long-delayed street, sidewalk and lighting project finally set to begin sometime this summer, Grand Center chief Vince Schoemehl is telling city officials that he has gained the support of Downtown Now topper Tom Reeves to carve a dedicated tram lane down the center of Washington Avenue from 9th Street to Grand Boulevard. Reeves, however, demurs.
A GRAND PLAN FORMER ST. LOUIS MAYOR VINCENT C. SCHOEMEHL JR. WANTS TO TAKE GRAND CENTER TO THE NEXT LEVEL BY FOCUSING ON COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
SOURCE: Diane Toroian
Of The Post-Dispatch
PUBLICATION: St. Louis Post-Dispatch (MO)
DATE: June 3, 2001
SECTION: IMAGINE ST. LOUIS
EDITION: FIVE STAR LIFT
PAGE: B1
WORD COUNT: 2258
ID#: 0106030330
For 12 years, Vincent C. Schoemehl Jr. ran an entire city. Today the former St. Louis mayor manages a mere 10 blocks. But this is no ordinary patch of land; this is Grand Center, home to the Fox Theatre, the St. Louis Symphony Orchestra and numerous cultural institutions. Unfortunately, that's about it. Missing are the restaurants, shops, offices and apartments needed to transform Grand Center into a bustling cultural district.

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PostOct 18, 2011#25

The next public forum is Thursday, November 17th.

Scottish Rite Auditorium, 5:30 - 7:30.

Reception to follow.

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