Are these just ideas, or are they firm plans? Do they have money to do any of this?
Proposing improvements NORTH of Delmar? 
...but seriously, kudos.
Let's fill in the residential all the way up to Page.
...but seriously, kudos. Let's fill in the residential all the way up to Page.
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The presentation largely dealt with streetscape issues. I don't recall hearing about the status of funding, though they did say that the plan is something they see implemented over about four years. (There may have been a range of years, like 4 to 8 ... can't remember.)
While details such as the selection of specific pavers has not been decided, my sense is that this is more than just a framework plan.
Randy Burkett is the lighting designer. FWIW, he's probably the best in St. Louis.
While details such as the selection of specific pavers has not been decided, my sense is that this is more than just a framework plan.
Randy Burkett is the lighting designer. FWIW, he's probably the best in St. Louis.
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Why no street parking on Grand? Get rid of the middle turn lane and add some street parking.
Realistically, you've gotta have accomodations for left turns on Grand. The alternative would be gridlock during peak periods. That's not good for anyone.
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We shouldn't be designing streets to accommodate traffic for an hour in the morning and afternoon, leaving a bloated, non vibrant street for the remainder 22 hours of the day.
We should be building a street that enhances the pedestrian experience and provides opportunity to open a business. A street that is vibrant and active 24 hours a day by a diverse set of pedestrian, bike, transit, and cars users.
We should be building a street that enhances the pedestrian experience and provides opportunity to open a business. A street that is vibrant and active 24 hours a day by a diverse set of pedestrian, bike, transit, and cars users.
hear, heardowntown2007 wrote:We shouldn't be designing streets to accommodate traffic for an hour in the morning and afternoon, leaving a bloated, non vibrant street for the remainder 22 hours of the day.
We should be building a street that enhances the pedestrian experience and provides opportunity to open a business. A street that is vibrant and active 24 hours a day by a diverse set of pedestrian, bike, transit, and cars users.
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As I recall, the plan is to try to funnel incoming and outgoing traffic to the east (Theresa, Compton) and west (Spring, Vandeventer) so that Grand can be more oriented toward the pedestrian experience.
Grand through Grand Center is an oddity since parking restrictions are timed the opposite way from what you'd expect. Parking is allowed during the day, but is prohibited during the night. Gotta keep cars moving to and from the parking lots for all the events.downtown2007 wrote:We shouldn't be designing streets to accommodate traffic for an hour in the morning and afternoon, leaving a bloated, non vibrant street for the remainder 22 hours of the day.
We should be building a street that enhances the pedestrian experience and provides opportunity to open a business. A street that is vibrant and active 24 hours a day by a diverse set of pedestrian, bike, transit, and cars users.
You're thinking rush hour, but traffic in Grand Center works differently. Access in and out of the garages and parking lots is critical to the entire mission of the neighborhood. There simply isn't room for two traffic lanes in each direction plus street parking plus wider sidewalks; hence the need for a left turn lane.downtown2007 wrote:We shouldn't be designing streets to accommodate traffic for an hour in the morning and afternoon, leaving a bloated, non vibrant street for the remainder 22 hours of the day.
Grand Center Inc. has posted the final Great Streets presentation in PDF format on their website. Click here, then scroll down to the May/June meeting and you'll find both the entire 139 page presentation, as well as a brief summary:
http://www.grandcenter.org/meetings-and-summaries
http://www.grandcenter.org/meetings-and-summaries
Well here's an interesting tidbit: Grand Center plans to re-open that short stretch of Theresa between Olive and Lindell (right by the Moto Museum). It's part of their effort to funnel traffic in and out of the neighborhood using Compton and Vandeventer, rather than Grand.
Nice to see a street being re-opened to traffic, rather than closing them off, for a change.
Nice to see a street being re-opened to traffic, rather than closing them off, for a change.
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Right in front of Vito's. That will inconvenience the thousands of people who walk over to that little triangular park with the statue of the crusader-king conqueror of Damietta on it. But I think it's worth it.
There's an ongoing presentation about Grand Center's overall development at the Creative Exchange Lab, 3307 Washington. Vince Schoemel will make a presentation this Friday evening from 6:00 - 8:30.
More info here:
http://creativeexchangelab.com/great-st ... nd-center/
More info here:
http://creativeexchangelab.com/great-st ... nd-center/