^ Thats what I was thinking.
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shannon wrote:While I don't fully agree with the act itself of razing McRee Town, the pro-slumlord angle on that article made me practically retch. Why didn't they just post a picture of Roos replete with a halo and wings? I still can't believe what I just read. I'm cancelling my P-D subscription right now and citing this crap as the reason.
One of our fabulous photographers should go take and post pictures of his "well-maintained" properties. And send them to the P-D. Show them what real investigative journalism is all about.
Perhaps you first should double-check what you just read. The story was from the Suburban Jounrals, not the Post-Dispatch. While the two companies are owned by the same parent corporation, the editorial operations have nothing to do with one another -- other than the fact that STLtoday is the online home to both.
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I thought if you don't subscribe to the Post, you get the Journal for free. I always thought of it as Pulitzer's (now Lee's) means of threatening its subscribers with Town-Talk littering their yards, if they were to unsubcribe our town's sole daily.
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Unfortunately, everyone gets the Journal. I subscribe to the P-D and get the journal anyway. I wish that readers had to "opt-in" to receive the journal, that way, certain people in my neighborhood wouldn't have two months of Suburban Journals piling up on their front lawns.
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$16.75 million redevelopment project planned for Forest Park Southeast
Jim Merkel
Of the Suburban Journals
South City Journal
05/24/2006
A developer plans to spend about $16.75 million to renovate about 120 vacant units of commercial and residential property in the Forest Park Southeast Neighborhood.
Plans by Restoration St. Louis for the properties were a subject of discusssion at a recent meeting of the St. Louis Planning Commission.
Commissioners voted to recommend that the Board of Aldermen approve a blighting study and redevelopment plan for the vacant properties. The plan includes 10-year tax abatement for the properties. In tax abatement, property is taxed at its predevelopment rate.
Alderman Joseph Roddy, D-17th Ward, said he expected to introduce legislation approving the blighting study and redevelopment plan in the Board of Aldermen in the next several weeks.
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Jim Merkel
Of the Suburban Journals
South City Journal
05/24/2006
A developer plans to spend about $16.75 million to renovate about 120 vacant units of commercial and residential property in the Forest Park Southeast Neighborhood.
Plans by Restoration St. Louis for the properties were a subject of discusssion at a recent meeting of the St. Louis Planning Commission.
Commissioners voted to recommend that the Board of Aldermen approve a blighting study and redevelopment plan for the vacant properties. The plan includes 10-year tax abatement for the properties. In tax abatement, property is taxed at its predevelopment rate.
Alderman Joseph Roddy, D-17th Ward, said he expected to introduce legislation approving the blighting study and redevelopment plan in the Board of Aldermen in the next several weeks.
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I'd love to see an artists rendering of what the Gills are planning to turn this whole area into. It seems their minds are racing with ideas for this great 'hood, and I'd like to see where they're going.
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$700 for the CWE is current beginning price, but for FPSE?
Should it be that amount or will that be a jump high to gentrification and excluding lower incomes?
Location, location, new rehabillitation.
Should it be that amount or will that be a jump high to gentrification and excluding lower incomes?
Location, location, new rehabillitation.
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Well put JCity. If rents don't keep pace with property values, the investment market crashes. Nicer buildings in nicer areas inherantly have higher rents. You can't have your cake and eat it too.gentrification for the most part equals progress if you ask me.
trent wrote:I'd love to see an artists rendering of what the Gills are planning to turn this whole area into. It seems their minds are racing with ideas for this great 'hood, and I'd like to see where they're going.
http://stlouis.missouri.org/forestparks ... planpx.htm
Manchester,
looking west from Sarah, before and after.
Manchester park,
near Arco, before and after.
Adams School
before and after.
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^thanks for those renderings. I had to chuckle at the first one though. It would take a long time for trees to mature like that.
Actually, a streetscape project on Manchester has recently been given a green light. The project extends from Sarah to Taylor and would widen sidewalks, install bike racks, and add trees along the corridor. There will still be four lanes of traffic during peak hours. During off peak there will be two lanes with on-street parking. Unfortunately, construction probably won't begin for three or four years.
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The renderings look nice, but I think they're from 1999. Certainly the Gills have their own idea of what infill and rehabbing should happen.
Also, why would construction of new sidewalks/etc. not begin for another 3-4 years? Because of 40/64 work? Wouldn't this be the time to push for major aesthetic (with minimal affect on traffic as soon as 40/64 project starts) changes on Manchester? This stretch will see a huge increase in traffic during the coming couple years. What a great chance for the neighborhood to establish itself and for businesses to build clientele.
Also, why would construction of new sidewalks/etc. not begin for another 3-4 years? Because of 40/64 work? Wouldn't this be the time to push for major aesthetic (with minimal affect on traffic as soon as 40/64 project starts) changes on Manchester? This stretch will see a huge increase in traffic during the coming couple years. What a great chance for the neighborhood to establish itself and for businesses to build clientele.
http://www.restorationstl.com/
I hadn't come across this before - and haven't seen it elsewhere on the site. In the "scrapbook" section there's an idea for what residential infill may look like - things will change, but it's great to see that the Gills seem committed to sensitive and logical work.
I hadn't come across this before - and haven't seen it elsewhere on the site. In the "scrapbook" section there's an idea for what residential infill may look like - things will change, but it's great to see that the Gills seem committed to sensitive and logical work.
With the current mishmash of housing stock in the area, the infill could really defy current convention. Let's mix it up, stone, concrete, brick.
This area could really become something of a destination just by the changes in architecture.
This area could really become something of a destination just by the changes in architecture.
I went up and down Manchester today documenting the progress of the main retail strip in The Grove. Lots of nice new stuff and lots of works in progress. I came across an engineer who's firm is submitting a proposal to reconfigure the street. He was asked to widen the sidewalks, keep 4 lanes of traffic and add a bike lane. I have no idea how you do that and retain the the on street parking which, IMHO, would be the most important thing.
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These signs were posted on the front of a building. Not sure I understood them but generally I think the guy is unhappy with someone about something.
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This nice resident asked me to take her picture.
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These signs were posted on the front of a building. Not sure I understood them but generally I think the guy is unhappy with someone about something.
This nice resident asked me to take her picture.
A major new visual arts venue will soon be openning at 4568 Manchester, just East of Kingshighway. Called White Flag Projects, it was featured on the cover of the RFT this week. This is gonna be good!
http://www.whiteflagprojects.org
http://www.whiteflagprojects.org
Besides wider sidewalks what the area needs is diagonal parking, not the existing superfluous drive lane. Some busy nights this is already done but I think it is just people doing what is most efficient and is not (unfortunately) sanctioned by the city. There is no reason Manchester need be that wide. If you want to get to W. County quicker you are going to take 40.
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stellar - first, thanks for doing what I've been meaning to do for weeks. With a little sun, I'll be out in neighborhood this weekend . . .
Did you talk with anyone at the property on the northwest corner of Taylor and Kingshighway? It was open and being worked on for the first time I've seen. It doesn't have the Restoration St. Louis logo on it, but something seems to be happening. It's a great building.
Did you talk with anyone at the property on the northwest corner of Taylor and Kingshighway? It was open and being worked on for the first time I've seen. It doesn't have the Restoration St. Louis logo on it, but something seems to be happening. It's a great building.
wider sidewalks would be great and angled parking after 7pm would help as well, but with Chouteau opening up again sometime soon and 40 set to be torn up - Manchester will be a major thoroughfare for a couple years.
I read about that in the RFT. Here's the building:Framer wrote:A major new visual arts venue will soon be openning at 4568 Manchester, just East of Kingshighway. Called White Flag Projects, it was featured on the cover of the RFT this week. This is gonna be good!
http://www.whiteflagprojects.org
Interesting side note. People (within this thread) have compared Leon Strauss' work in Debaliviere to the Gills in The Grove and it's Leon's son who opened that gallery.
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stellar wrote:I went up and down Manchester today documenting the progress of the main retail strip in The Grove. Lots of nice new stuff and lots of works in progress. I came across an engineer who's firm is submitting a proposal to reconfigure the street. He was asked to widen the sidewalks, keep 4 lanes of traffic and add a bike lane. I have no idea how you do that and retain the the on street parking which, IMHO, would be the most important thing.
The plan as I understand it is similar to Washington Ave. between 10th and Tucker. There will be 2 lanes each direction and on-street parking during non- rush hours and 4 lanes open during rush hour. Hopefully after the I-64 project they can make on-street parking available at all times.
I personally would like to see the current street width kept about the same. I would hope that in the future we could get some fixed rail (streetcar) running down Manchester.
stellar,
Those pics are great, even though its impossible to actually read what those signs were trying to say. The person should have bought a better marker, and asked somebody else to reword what they wanted to say...
But I love to see the slow progress of an entire neighborhood. It's changing, and soon that will influence more people to fix up some of the surrounding homes.
stellar,
Those pics are great, even though its impossible to actually read what those signs were trying to say. The person should have bought a better marker, and asked somebody else to reword what they wanted to say...
But I love to see the slow progress of an entire neighborhood. It's changing, and soon that will influence more people to fix up some of the surrounding homes.
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A streetcar on Manchester would be fantastic! I can see it coming down Manchester, up Kingshighway, east on Lindell - serving the CWE, Midtown, FPSE . . . it would great.
At some point in that short paragraph reality set in, a streetcar on Manchester would surely follow Chouteau's Lake (added density) by a number of years, but would never come if Manchester isn't a vibrant commercial center. I understand that development isn't easily undone, but this area needs some sensible changes now to make it viable in the future.
At some point in that short paragraph reality set in, a streetcar on Manchester would surely follow Chouteau's Lake (added density) by a number of years, but would never come if Manchester isn't a vibrant commercial center. I understand that development isn't easily undone, but this area needs some sensible changes now to make it viable in the future.
^ I don't know if it would be so impossible. I assume that some of FPSE's attractivness is its proximity to the CWE and the hospitals. If Cortex moves forward, you could probably see an effective u-shaped line running allong Sarah from a possible Metro stop, west on Manchester, and then north on Taylor towards the CWE metro stop. For a more ambitious line, it could extend north to say Forest Park Parkwau or Laclede and provide a loop into the CWE. FPSE would need to add alot of density to support such a spur, but you never know.
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Or even a north-south line running down Grand from Grand Center to South Grand with an east-west line running perpendicular to it, running down Chouteau/Manchester.
At this point, I'd take streetcars going just about anywhere.
At this point, I'd take streetcars going just about anywhere.