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PostApr 23, 2008#601

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The Central Scrutinizer wrote:http://www.oldenburgvanbruggen.com/lsp.htm


Interesting. I've seen the shuttlecock in KC and the spoon in Minneapolis - guess I should have made the connection that it was the same artist.


I love the bowling ball and crashing pins on that site. I'd love to have that on the mall!

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Notes from Home wrote:I thought I remembered an Oldenberg three-way plug outside the STL Art Museum:


You remember correctly. Although it hasn't been on display for a few years, it was most recently near the back entrance to the parking lot.

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PostApr 23, 2008#603

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
DeBaliviere wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:http://www.oldenburgvanbruggen.com/lsp.htm


Interesting. I've seen the shuttlecock in KC and the spoon in Minneapolis - guess I should have made the connection that it was the same artist.


I love the bowling ball and crashing pins on that site. I'd love to have that on the mall!
Can we have a giant croquet mallet and ball commissioned for the mall - aimed at the Arch of course? :)

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PostApr 23, 2008#604

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The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
DeBaliviere wrote:

Interesting. I've seen the shuttlecock in KC and the spoon in Minneapolis - guess I should have made the connection that it was the same artist.


I love the bowling ball and crashing pins on that site. I'd love to have that on the mall!
Can we have a giant croquet mallet and ball commissioned for the mall - aimed at the Arch of course? :)


Hmmm...... maybe! (while that is cute, I would prefer something a little less obvious) :)

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PostApr 23, 2008#605

jlblues wrote:Can we have a giant croquet mallet and ball commissioned for the mall - aimed at the Arch of course? :)


It would have to go in Luther Ely Smith Park (right in front of the Hyatt), right? :)

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PostApr 23, 2008#606

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jlblues wrote:Can we have a giant croquet mallet and ball commissioned for the mall - aimed at the Arch of course? :)


It would have to go in Luther Ely Smith Park (right in front of the Hyatt), right? :)
I dunno, is there a massé shot in croquet? Actually, I'd say take a really hard shot to the northeast with a lot of back and clockwise spin, right through the Gateway One building, demolishing it completely. The shot would then arc through both Kiener Garages - leaving nothing more than dust and rubble - and then continue down Chestnut, just missing the corner of the Old Courthouse, and then onto the Arch grounds and through the wicket. :)

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PostApr 29, 2008#607

Vince Bommarito among candidates to open Gateway Mall cafe

St. Louis Business Journal - by Rick Desloge



Tony's owner Vince Bommarito is one of several restaurateurs who has looked at operating the proposed new café on the Gateway Mall in downtown St. Louis.



A new cafe with indoor and outdoor dining could rise within the next 15 months.



The restaurant operator has yet to be identified, but the Gateway Foundation interviewed four or five potential operators who would work from a new, roughly 2,500-square-foot building, according to people familiar with the project.



Bommarito said he was approached about the possibility and is excited to be considered, but has no agreement.


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PostApr 29, 2008#608

DeBaliviere wrote:
Vince Bommarito among candidates to open Gateway Mall cafe

St. Louis Business Journal - by Rick Desloge



Tony's owner Vince Bommarito is one of several restaurateurs who has looked at operating the proposed new café on the Gateway Mall in downtown St. Louis.



A new cafe with indoor and outdoor dining could rise within the next 15 months.



The restaurant operator has yet to be identified, but the Gateway Foundation interviewed four or five potential operators who would work from a new, roughly 2,500-square-foot building, according to people familiar with the project.



Bommarito said he was approached about the possibility and is excited to be considered, but has no agreement.


Link


I think this could actually be a very cool addition to that area. In fact, I think this whole master plan has the potential to be quite amazing.

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PostApr 30, 2008#609

^Yep. This is the kind of stuff we need in the Mall. Cafes, sculpture parks, performance stages, etc. Small-scale activities to get people to use the Mall. Then surround it with large buildings and a thriving Downtown. Sounds good to me.

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PostApr 30, 2008#610

^Hmmm...I like the thriving downtown thing. That is a really good idea. They should build that.

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PostMay 02, 2008#611

they should just build on the mall... 8)

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PostJun 03, 2008#612

Why isn't the 'Gateway Mall' a recognized park? Is this just a generic term used for reference locally? For example, Aloe Plaza, Kiener Plaza and Jefferson Memorial are all listed on many online mapping tools. Many blocks of the Gateway Mall are not even indicated as being green park land. Would some type of designation of the gateway Mall allow for more money from the parks systems, etc?

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PostJun 04, 2008#613

^But then building someday on the undesignated blocks of the Mall would require a citywide vote, ala BJC. So what parkland? :wink:

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PostJun 11, 2008#614

They should build on the park. They shouldn't have torn down Real Estate Row.

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PostJun 11, 2008#615

Doug wrote:They should build on the park. They shouldn't have torn down Real Estate Row.


They shouldn't have cut down the trees that were there 500 years ago. :roll:

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PostJun 11, 2008#616

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
Doug wrote:They should build on the park. They shouldn't have torn down Real Estate Row.


They shouldn't have cut down the trees that were there 500 years ago. :roll:


They shouldn't have given the Cahokians smallpox and taken their land.

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PostJun 11, 2008#617

Gone Corporate wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
Doug wrote:They should build on the park. They shouldn't have torn down Real Estate Row.


They shouldn't have cut down the trees that were there 500 years ago. :roll:


They shouldn't have given the Cahokians smallpox and taken their land.


Actually, that is a bad example. Cahokia was abandoned (for reasons still unknown) hundreds of years before Europeans ever showed up in this area.



So there! :P

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PostJun 11, 2008#618

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
Gone Corporate wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:

They shouldn't have cut down the trees that were there 500 years ago. :roll:


They shouldn't have given the Cahokians smallpox and taken their land.


Actually, that is a bad example. Cahokia was abandoned (for reasons still unknown) hundreds of years before Europeans ever showed up in this area.



So there! :P


You never would have known that if the area hadn't been conquered by the French imperialists, with their diseases and croissants and skin trades. They've descecrated all that was abandoned. And think of all the mounds left around, piles of dirt hurting no one except those that made StL what it is today: a city with an urban greenway and not buildings in those plots. Unforgiveable. Makes me want to give all the land back to the Plains Indians and Mexico.



But I don't think that's going to happen, so I instead look forward to a $20M sculpture garden being built downtown. Yeah progress.

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PostJun 11, 2008#619

Gone Corporate wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
Gone Corporate wrote:

They shouldn't have given the Cahokians smallpox and taken their land.


Actually, that is a bad example. Cahokia was abandoned (for reasons still unknown) hundreds of years before Europeans ever showed up in this area.



So there! :P


You never would have known that if the area hadn't been conquered by the French imperialists, with their diseases and croissants and skin trades. They've descecrated all that was abandoned. And think of all the mounds left around, piles of dirt hurting no one except those that made StL what it is today: a city with an urban greenway and not buildings in those plots. Unforgiveable. Makes me want to give all the land back to the Plains Indians and Mexico.



But I don't think that's going to happen, so I instead look forward to a $20M sculpture garden being built downtown. Yeah progress.


LOL! You're right - we should tear down all the buildings and rebuild the mounds!

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PostJun 12, 2008#620

Doug wrote:They should build on the park. They shouldn't have torn down Real Estate Row.


They won't. They did. Move on.

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PostJun 12, 2008#621

Framer wrote:
Doug wrote:They should build on the park. They shouldn't have torn down Real Estate Row.


They won't. They did. Move on.


Exactly.

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PostJun 12, 2008#622

Framer wrote:
Doug wrote:They should build on the park. They shouldn't have torn down Real Estate Row.


They won't. They did. Move on.


How exactly do you move on from past blunders? That notion seems counter to our democracy.



Something's broken! Give up! Move on! DON'T fix it! And if the powers that be resist its fixing, well, golly, you can't do anything to express discontent, so you might as well support them!

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PostJun 12, 2008#623

Moving on is why St. Louisans settle for BULL ideas like a sculpture garden! We forget that our leaders are MORONS and continue to let them make horrible planning decisions.



The Mall was a bad idea in 1907 and it's a bad idea today. It should be given away, as in sold for a dollar, to private redevelopment for mixed use. Also, demolish the Keiner Garages, put in underground parking, and redevelop those as residential and retail.



We don't need a garden. This isn't some Compton Heights backyard. This is supposed to be the heart of our City and Region. We need buildings not green space. If I wanted an urban garden I would go to MoBot.



Besides, there are not enough residents to support a two block garden! There already isn't enough to support the rest of the mall's green space. Do we expect people to come from St. Louis County for this "urban garden?" That's a really ridiculous idea. This won't be Cloud Gate and even if we get an initial amount of visitors, we need long term residents not visit until 6PM then back on Highway 64.



Our leadership, and residents, are far to complacent and conservative. And that's why we have this incremental modification of an already horrible planing decision. The Gateway Mall receives a shot in the arm, but it's still on life support and will never be alive like the Champs-Élysées. Even if we could make a miniature Champs-Élysées, we are going about it all wrong. That street is lined with activity generating uses, not 1980's single use office buildings and parking garages.

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PostJun 12, 2008#624

^

Can't argue with any of that. Good points, all.

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PostJun 12, 2008#625

Matt Drops The H wrote:
Framer wrote:
Doug wrote:They should build on the park. They shouldn't have torn down Real Estate Row.


They won't. They did. Move on.


How exactly do you move on from past blunders? That notion seems counter to our democracy.


Easy. You move on.

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