Gateway Mall Master Plan

jmedwick · PostJun 10, 2007#1762007-06-10T15:51+00:00

^ Clearly then those who run the Walker in MPLS are hosiers, because they have sculptures in their garden specifically that are supposed to be climbed on. No "do not touch signs." Heck, the Walker commissioned artists to create sculptures and holes for a mini-golf course that was open for a time. Those who run the Walker understand that interactivity is an important part of a successful sculpture garden.

Xing is of course right that there must be a mix. Some sculptures could be climbed on, but other interactive types of art should be considered as well. Interactivity, of any kind, is an important aspect of the success of such a plan.

the central scrutinizer · PostJun 10, 2007#1772007-06-10T16:45+00:00

JMedwick wrote:^ Clearly then those who run the Walker in MPLS are hosiers, because they have sculptures in their garden specifically that are supposed to be climbed on.

Incorrect. If a sculpture is meant to be climbed on, that is fine. And if there are "interactive" sculptures in this garden, that is fine too. I'm saying that they will need some sort of security, because hoosiers won't differentiate between the two.

I can guarantee that they won't want anyone climbing all over that Leger.

wheelscomp · PostJun 10, 2007#1782007-06-10T18:19+00:00

Somehow I get the feeling that CS is a "hoosier" himself and trying to compensate by acting as if hes above them now for some reason. Lay off that word please CS. It pi$$es me off every time I read it.

the central scrutinizer · PostJun 10, 2007#1792007-06-10T18:27+00:00

wheelscomp wrote:Somehow I get the feeling that CS is a "hoosier" himself and trying to compensate by acting as if hes above them now for some reason. Lay off that word please CS. It pi$$es me off every time I read it.

Hits a little too close to home?

bastiat · PostJun 10, 2007#1802007-06-10T19:26+00:00

wheelscomp wrote:Somehow I get the feeling that CS is a "hoosier" himself and trying to compensate by acting as if hes above them now for some reason. Lay off that word please CS. It pi$$es me off every time I read it.

I doubt Central Scrutinizer is a hoosier. I imagine he is more like this:

Alex Ihnen · PostJun 10, 2007#1812007-06-10T19:26+00:00

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
JMedwick wrote:^ See, I think you couldn't be more wrong. Call me crazy, but I see St. Louis as a very family oriented tourist destination. Interactive sculpture that kids can climb on is exactly what is needed. At least if the kids can interact with the sculpture, then the families visiting the City will give the space a stop.

Everything doesn't have to revolve around families. We want a real sculpture park, which means no hoosier kids climbing on the art.

I'm not a huge fan of sculpture in general, but I didn't know that there was something such as a "real sculpture park" and a fake (?) sculpture park?

the central scrutinizer · PostJun 10, 2007#1822007-06-10T19:31+00:00

Bastiat wrote:
wheelscomp wrote:Somehow I get the feeling that CS is a "hoosier" himself and trying to compensate by acting as if hes above them now for some reason. Lay off that word please CS. It pi$$es me off every time I read it.

I doubt Central Scrutinizer is a hoosier. I imagine he is more like this:

I'm not that heavy!!! And I don't have a pony tail. But I do have a blue shirt.

Alex Ihnen · PostJun 10, 2007#1832007-06-10T19:33+00:00

^ Where does one get one of those straps for their laptop? It would really help my UrbanStL productivity!!!

the central scrutinizer · PostJun 10, 2007#1842007-06-10T19:37+00:00

Grover wrote:^ Where does one get one of those straps for their laptop? It would really help my UrbanStL productivity!!!

I use a rope.

Alex Ihnen · PostJun 10, 2007#1852007-06-10T19:50+00:00

I tried a chain, but got it yanked walking down Chouteau.

jcity · PostJun 11, 2007#1862007-06-11T02:58+00:00

wheelscomp · PostJun 11, 2007#1872007-06-11T05:24+00:00

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
wheelscomp wrote:Somehow I get the feeling that CS is a "hoosier" himself and trying to compensate by acting as if hes above them now for some reason. Lay off that word please CS. It pi$$es me off every time I read it.

Hits a little too close to home?

Hardly

framer · PostJun 11, 2007#1882007-06-11T05:31+00:00

I agree. Scrutinizer really needs to get over it.

markofucity · PostJun 11, 2007#1892007-06-11T16:24+00:00

..... FYI. Most of you probably aleady knew this - but I don;t think its been mentioned yet in this "debate."

The recent post article on the Gateway Mall makes clear that the sculpture park is only part of a larger plan to revitalize the entire mall. Pehaps we should take that into consideration. The sculpture park is only two blocs of several - and the article makes it sound as if there are several interesting ideas being floated for the remaining blocks.

I remain strongly supportive of the sculpture park idea - largely because I trust the participants to do it right (and because I believe that St. Louis has no shortage of develop-able plots to make use of). I also tend to believe that - done right - it could encourage development in the area

arch city · PostJun 11, 2007#1902007-06-11T16:44+00:00

^That's great if they are redoing the entire mall. The cascading fountain area needs some some cleaning and rehab. Pathways need to be resurfaced/redone.

Also, I think putting a sculpture park on the blocks in question will help increase the recreational usage of other parks downtown. Parks that might see little use now, are likely to see increased use due to the changes made to these blocks.

debaliviere · PostJun 11, 2007#1912007-06-11T16:47+00:00

New visions surface for Gateway Mall

By Jake Wagman

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

06/11/2007

ST. LOUIS — As far back as 1915, city planners have envisioned a dramatic urban concourse that would rival the grand open spaces in Paris and Washington.

Ninety years later, St. Louis is still trying to get it right.

Architects, civic leaders and city officials are looking for ideas to energize the Gateway Mall — the 1.2-mile strip of land from the Arch to Union Station that many believe has never reached its full potential.

City Hall will host an open forum tonight where the public can view and comment on visions for the area, both lofty and practical — from a Ferris wheel to a dog park.

Link

the central scrutinizer · PostJun 11, 2007#1922007-06-11T16:49+00:00

Arch City wrote:Also, I think putting a sculpture park on the blocks in question will help increase the recreational usage of other parks downtown. Parks that might see little use now, are likely to see increased use due to the changes made to these blocks.

I know I would go over there much more often. Right now, I walk around downtown alot, but never really go over that way. There's no reason to. But in a year or two, I'll be able to wander over and look at art.

MattnSTL · PostJun 11, 2007#1932007-06-11T16:51+00:00

I don't know if I will be able to make the open house tonight as I am not feeling too great. If anyone attends, please take notes for the forum

markofucity · PostJun 11, 2007#1942007-06-11T17:03+00:00

it sounds like its just a brainstorming session ... but I'm definitely interested - someone please take notes. (I'm taking my grandmother out)

debaliviere · PostJun 11, 2007#1952007-06-11T17:05+00:00

markofucity wrote:it sounds like its just a brainstorming session ... but I'm definitely interested - someone please take notes. (I'm taking my grandmother out)

Such a boy scout.

southslider · PostJun 11, 2007#1962007-06-11T17:50+00:00

Anyone thinking that the Gateway Foundation will do this new sculpture park right on City-owned land needs to check out the sculpture park the Gateway Foundation completed not too long ago Downtown on Metro-owned land (14th & Clark) or even the more recently installed sculpture on MODOT-owned land (Lafayette & Truman). I sincerely hope "rabbits on crack" or "rusted rings" won't be future fixtures in Gateway Mall.

rbb · PostJun 11, 2007#1972007-06-11T17:58+00:00

DeBaliviere wrote:
New visions surface for Gateway Mall

By Jake Wagman

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

06/11/2007

ST. LOUIS — As far back as 1915, city planners have envisioned a dramatic urban concourse that would rival the grand open spaces in Paris and Washington.

Ninety years later, St. Louis is still trying to get it right.

Architects, civic leaders and city officials are looking for ideas to energize the Gateway Mall — the 1.2-mile strip of land from the Arch to Union Station that many believe has never reached its full potential.

City Hall will host an open forum tonight where the public can view and comment on visions for the area, both lofty and practical — from a Ferris wheel to a dog park.

Link

The firm's master plan for the Gateway Mall calls for injecting some continuity with two rows of parallel trees running the length of the mall. That "urban hallway" would, according to Trocmé, connect five sections of the mall, or "rooms," including a section for concerts and events, and a neighborhood area with a playground and dog park.

Nice - these are the kind of ideas that will encourage pedestrian interaction IMO. I'm encouraged, if a bit nervous about the execution of said ideas.

-RBB

xing · PostJun 11, 2007#1982007-06-11T18:08+00:00

"Brian Carpenter, 35, another downtown office worker enjoying his lunch in the mall last week said the area should copy Clayton's Parties in the Park festival series, which offers a new event each month in Shaw Park between May and September."

argh! again with the "copying..."

the central scrutinizer · PostJun 11, 2007#1992007-06-11T18:10+00:00

southslider wrote:Anyone thinking that the Gateway Foundation will do this new sculpture park right on City-owned land needs to check out the sculpture park the Gateway Foundation completed not too long ago Downtown on Metro-owned land (14th & Clark) or even the more recently installed sculpture on MODOT-owned land (Lafayette & Truman). I sincerely hope "rabbits on crack" or "rusted rings" won't be future fixtures in Gateway Mall.

I sincerely hope works like that are included. Thank you for pointing out these wonderful art works!

PostJun 11, 2007#2002007-06-11T18:11+00:00

Xing wrote:
"Brian Carpenter, 35, another downtown office worker enjoying his lunch in the mall last week said the area should copy Clayton's Parties in the Park festival series, which offers a new event each month in Shaw Park between May and September."

argh! again with the "copying..."

So you're saying they shouldn't copy something that brings lots of people and activity to the area? Strange, that.

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