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PostAug 13, 2010#26

A new, two-story building at the southeast corner of Park and Mississippi is on this month's Preservation Board agenda. This should make for a much more cohesive business district with a "Main Street" vibe.

I remember parking on Park Avenue 8 or so years ago and thinking it seemed kind of desolate. Look at it now!

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PostAug 13, 2010#27

threeonefour wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
Doug wrote:I've walked across Truman many times at all hours and never ran into problems. Perhaps it's because I am white and they won't mess with me as they know the law will smack down quickly?
Or they know that you're down with them and understand their issues, unlike the rest of white society.
:lol:
I do give off that vibe.

PostAug 15, 2010#28

On July 13 2010 67 out of 68 voters approved the pending 6 foot fence to line Truman Parkway. No money has yet been allocated.

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PostAug 16, 2010#29

^That's sad. Lafayette Square really is becoming a gated community, which is the last thing we need, IMO. They should be opening up more streets, not closing them.

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PostAug 16, 2010#30

stldotage wrote:A new, two-story building at the southeast corner of Park and Mississippi is on this month's Preservation Board agenda. This should make for a much more cohesive business district with a "Main Street" vibe.

I remember parking on Park Avenue 8 or so years ago and thinking it seemed kind of desolate. Look at it now!
I believe a plan was floated for that parcel of land a few years ago, but it never went anywhere. I look forward to seeing what the developer has proposed. A new mixed-use building on that lot would be very exciting for the neighborhood.

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PostAug 20, 2010#31

About that fence:

The Prez of the neighborhood association in King Louis Square(can't remember her name) thinks it's perfectly fine that Lafayette Square puts up a fence, much like the fence in King Louis Square along the Truman Parkway. Ya'll HAVE noticed the fence along Truman Parkway in the former "projects" to the east of the Square, right? You do see that they have an exact duplicate of what will be going up in the Sqaure along Truman, yes? She thinks it will help keep riff raff out of King Louis Square.

It's true, she said it. She is talking about traffic coming from the east, way east, from east O' Jefferson.

About that Park & Mississippi development:

The woman who built the 3 family high end building about 4 doors down from Arceilia's is the developer of that place. It had been in the hands of a developer who did nothing for 2 - 3 years--he has built several single family homes in the historic neighborhoods, one purchased by Coach Spags. But she, the new developer, will probably bring a project to completion.

About that Praixair development:

The plans were horrible but that project is deader than a doornail.

Doug, when are you jetting off to Toronto?

PostAug 21, 2010#32

Alex Ihnen wrote:^ I've heard similar perspectives from current residents, but how does that jive with all the new multi-story construction on Park? I'm guessing residents were in favor of that and other developments. Maybe they're just saying "no more." Oh, and if you're a resident of Lafayette Square and I've driven down your street and you don't live on Park then it's likely only because I couldn't figure out how the hell to get where I was going because of all the blocked-off streets. Open them up!!!!
Multi-story development on Park in the business district is consistant with original buildings there that are 3 story but more importantly, have large mass. They are far more massive than even the largest residence in the Square. But don't think that all of the new buildings are embraced with open arms. The building on the North sid eof Park that houses the Firehouse restaruant is large and ugly and barely met standards. IT's an object of derision even though the interio condos are nice living spaces.

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holden wrote: You're a 2 year resident of the square so I'd certainly like to hear your input...
20 year resident here. If you can get into Laf Square, the best 'nabe in the city, you'd be right to do it. But I will say don't borrow to the hilt to buy a house here, the market has reached its peak.

It's an incredibly fun place place to live, it's like a small village. Not like the Central West End where I think it would be fun to live within walking distance of Euclid but that's a bigger area, that would be like living in a tourist town. The Square is a village.

But if some people can't find the fun here, so be it. Let 'em move out.

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PostAug 23, 2010#34

stldotage wrote:A new, two-story building at the southeast corner of Park and Mississippi is on this month's Preservation Board agenda. This should make for a much more cohesive business district with a "Main Street" vibe.

I remember parking on Park Avenue 8 or so years ago and thinking it seemed kind of desolate. Look at it now!
Looks good: http://www.stlouis.missouri.org/citygov ... G23_10.pdf

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PostAug 23, 2010#35

Ha, I think that's the lot my old man almost purchased a few years back. I believe there was a gas station or cleaners previously on the lot so there was a lot of cleaning up to do.

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PostAug 23, 2010#36

Correct. There was a gas station located there sometime in the past. No idea when it was torn out, though.

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PostAug 23, 2010#38

Is that from the 1875 Camille Dry Atlas?

(yes, I know it's new)

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PostAug 24, 2010#39

The plans were given preliminary (and glowing) approval at yesterday's preservation board meeting. My only concern and it seems the primary concern of the board was the east elevation which is asymmetrical (seems to be missing a window) and contains two modern garage doors. Since this facade will also be seen from a public right of way, it needs to be cleaned up a little, and the architect was very amenable to working with the planners to find a solution. This will really have a major impact on the overall cohesiveness of the LF Square commercial district. After this piece of the puzzle is complete, they need to start filling in to the east and reconnect as much as possible with Soulard.

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PostAug 24, 2010#40

I think to the east, sad as it may be to say, you'll begin to hear complaints about parking from existing businesses. On a Friday or Saturday this area is already completely jammed with cars - though there is more than ample parking around the park and on side streets.

Removing the large lot along park between 18th and Dolman would be trouble, though I also agree that it would benefit the street.

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PostAug 24, 2010#41

At least the renovation of the building at Dolman and Park would help extend the strip to the east, even with the parking lot left intact. I'm interested to see how the farmer's market in the City Hospital complex turns out - perhaps it could help serve as a bridge between the east and west sides of Truman Parkway.

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PostAug 25, 2010#42

jmstokes wrote:I think to the east, sad as it may be to say, you'll begin to hear complaints about parking from existing businesses. On a Friday or Saturday this area is already completely jammed with cars - though there is more than ample parking around the park and on side streets.

Removing the large lot along park between 18th and Dolman would be trouble, though I also agree that it would benefit the street.
I understand the small business owners' concerns, but here's something to consider. There are potentially useful unpaved lots on either side of Dolamn 1/2 block north of Park Ave, including the entire east side of the block above the previously mentioned brick warehouse at Park & Dolman.

The smaller lot, on the west side of Dolman across the alley from the public garden, would probably make up for any lost spaces if the lot between Dolman and S 18th were developed. If the entire empty lot on the east side of Dolman were paved it would vastly overcompensate for those lost spaces.

These lots "behind" the Park Ave. strip would be similar to the parking lots in the Loop, which are mostly behind the Delmar street-wall.

So, while there will always be pushback and concern from local businesses, I think there are a lot of options and solutions out there should someone want to build out Park between Dolman and S 18th.

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PostAug 25, 2010#43

The west side lot is currently the "neighborhood orchard," so I envision a battle on that. The east side, I agree completely. It could easily be paved and used as parking, though I envision yet ANOTHER battle due to "crime" from across the street.

Wabash - I agree with you completely in every way. It should be very easy to make work. Unfortunately, I'm familiar with some of the powers that be in the area and can hear the complaints.

I've got no skin in the game - I just live in a rental across the street, and will be moving out in 2 weeks.

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PostOct 21, 2010#44

I will be back again in November to check out this fence. My girlfriend said it was completed. What crime exactly comes into Lafayette Square and how do fences prevent it? I lived there for 6 months and experienced nothing, while a fence seems similar to arguing Metrolink will bring crime to St. Charles. A fence isn't going to stop someone from walking over on the sidewalk, or driving, and breaking into your house. It conveys the message "you don't belong here" but criminals are not going to care. Racist and ineffective.

Why don't the affluent residents of Lafayette Square open a food co-op or get that farmers market going? Put it in one of the grassy lots on Park south of the Hospital's fenced parking lot. Perhaps if Lafayette Square made literal and symbolic connections to the surrounding neighborhoods the "situation" would improve? I suppose many of those who rebuilt Lafayette Square in the 60's and 70's either moved away or perhaps forgot what community development means? Collaboration would be more effective than walls.

Small village. It's in the City which is supposed to be the heart of the region. It should not be isolated, detached, disconnected, "a small village." If you want a small village then move to Dutzow or Augusta. Or go all the way! Privatize the streets, gate all of them, and see how much fun you have by yourself.

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PostOct 31, 2010#45

Doug wrote:I will be back again in November to check out this fence. My girlfriend said it was completed. What crime exactly comes into Lafayette Square and how do fences prevent it? I lived there for 6 months and experienced nothing, while a fence seems similar to arguing Metrolink will bring crime to St. Charles. A fence isn't going to stop someone from walking over on the sidewalk, or driving, and breaking into your house. It conveys the message "you don't belong here" but criminals are not going to care. Racist and ineffective.

Why don't the affluent residents of Lafayette Square open a food co-op or get that farmers market going? Put it in one of the grassy lots on Park south of the Hospital's fenced parking lot. Perhaps if Lafayette Square made literal and symbolic connections to the surrounding neighborhoods the "situation" would improve? I suppose many of those who rebuilt Lafayette Square in the 60's and 70's either moved away or perhaps forgot what community development means? Collaboration would be more effective than walls.

Small village. It's in the City which is supposed to be the heart of the region. It should not be isolated, detached, disconnected, "a small village." If you want a small village then move to Dutzow or Augusta. Or go all the way! Privatize the streets, gate all of them, and see how much fun you have by yourself.
Doug, you are absolutley right that a fence doesn't keep anyone out of Lafayette Square nor is it supposed to.

But the "village" effect is what makes it fun to live here--by that I mean that you know everyone, the people in the coffee shop are people you know, the dogs in 4 Muddy Paws are dogs you know from the Park, the kid in the fairy halloween costume is the child of a kid who grew up in the Square, etc. Sorry you didn't experience the magic of this place, so I don't understand why you are coming back, but perhaps you need to move on. There are always people who do not get the magic of Lafayette Square and to them I say: see ya, sorry it didn't work out, but it's great that you are leaving so that someone else can take your place and perhaps appreciate this great place.

Truly, it's not for everyone. There is no one size fits all and I hope that you find the place you can call home.

PostDec 25, 2010#46

stldotage wrote:A new, two-story building at the southeast corner of Park and Mississippi is on this month's Preservation Board agenda. This should make for a much more cohesive business district with a "Main Street" vibe.

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This project is dead. The developer couldn't get funding. Developer selling her tonwhouse in the Square and moving to antoher state.

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PostFeb 22, 2011#47

I know this thread has been a bit dormant but I heard that Lafayette Square went from the 27th safest city neighborhood in 2009 to the 9th safest in 2010. They have a very proactive neighborhood watch group that other city nabes are looking to emulate.

As far as the fence along Truman I don't see why that is such a big deal. Are residents from the other side of that fence asked for their papers when entering LS? Very doubtful.

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PostAug 24, 2011#48

New construction is happening at 1710 Carroll, the big vacant lot that is a block long.

One new house has been sold by Diversified properties, and they will break ground in the fall. Two lots on the west side have been sold to another developer.

Meanwhile since anyone last contributed to this thread, two new houses were completed on Dolman and another one is partially up.

Things are happening in the Square! No steekin' economic slowdown here.

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PostAug 24, 2011#49

Like.

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PostAug 24, 2011#50

^^ Any photos?

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