Have to agree with that sentiment as I believe the majority of the properties are now controlled by Lawrence Group/Green Streets and of course SLU/SLU hospital - SSM. My first thought was CORTEX II under a new name but that is a big swath to fill.flipz wrote:Looks like they're just making it easier for already announced projects such as the hospital and Federal Mogul.
Apparently, a redevelopment plan from SLU will be made public sometime this fall. From the sound of it, it will be a major TOD style redevelopment that will tie together Cortex, East of Cortex, the Armory, SLU, and SSM hospital into the Grand Metrolink station. The project area has a lot of interests from many developers, because the SSM hospital project is expected to be a major catalyst for more redevelopment. The development will be built similar to Cortex, with SLU being the "master developer" and other developers "buying in" to the grand vision. Also it has been rumored that the MLS stadium will go here if the Union Station deal falls through, which would allow it to tap into an array of incentives within the "blighted" area.dredger wrote:Have to agree with that sentiment as I believe the majority of the properties are now controlled by Lawrence Group/Green Streets and of course SLU/SLU hospital - SSM. My first thought was CORTEX II under a new name but that is a big swath to fill.flipz wrote:Looks like they're just making it easier for already announced projects such as the hospital and Federal Mogul.
The ironic part is that the greenway vision ignores the fact that two very active and vital freight rail lines run through the middle and not going away anytime soon. In that context, their is very much some areas that would still be better served or maintain its recent industrial past IMO. Not saying a huge footprint but a argument can be made is how much green space and mixed use space can be built out in a slow growth region, little alone a city struggling to reverse and show a smallish gain on the next census? Why not consolidate some of the remaining light industrial into a new business park off Vande where the old freight houses once stood instead of another park with a pond. Great access all around with or without a car, got The Grove, access to a Greenway and you keep a diverse employment opportunitySTLrainbow wrote:I guess the notion of a parking garage next to the Armory with a tower on top is a little bit clearer now... I assume that this would advance the Bold Idea - Platform Development.
dredger, I agree we need those kinds of jobs in the city but I think there are a number of other places with available light industrial space to relocate into that would be more appropriate than w/in the Metrolink footprint. (The Hill & Ellendale for ex. just down the line.)
The ironic part is that the Greenway vision keeps getting bigger and ever so more ignores the fact that two very active and vital freight rail lines run through the middle and not going away anytime soon. In that context, their is very much some areas that would still be better served or maintain its recent industrial past IMO. Not saying a huge footprint but a argument can be made is how much green space and mixed use space can be built out in a slow growth region, little alone a city struggling to reverse and show a smallish gain on the next census?dredger wrote:STLrainbow wrote:I guess the notion of a parking garage next to the Armory with a tower on top is a little bit clearer now... I assume that this would advance the Bold Idea - Platform Development.
dredger, I agree we need those kinds of jobs in the city but I think there are a number of other places with available light industrial space to relocate into that would be more appropriate than w/in the Metrolink footprint. (The Hill & Ellendale for ex. just down the line.)
I don't think that's quite true. Every rendering of the Chouteau Greenway I've seen includes both the old Frisco and MoP lines. What's missing is the assorted yards and industrial track. Sure, there's industry there, but less than there used to be. And it doesn't look like one bit of the industry in the study area is still rail served. Everything north of Metrolink is cut off now. And the switching lead on the south side of the Grand Interlocking appears to be out of service west of Compton. I believe the remnant of the old Frisco yard west of Spring is outside the study area. All that really leaves is the old MoP ramp between Grand and Vandeventer and I don't get the idea that's in use for anything other than storage. Most everything that was there has been torn down.dredger wrote:The ironic part is that the greenway vision ignores the fact that two very active and vital freight rail lines run through the middle and not going away anytime soon.
I believe your correct that little, if any, of the industry in the study area utilize the rail lines. And it's amazing how unproductive that land is.... it can and needs to be so much better. The Airgas parcel just north of the Grand Metrolink platform & small park-n-ride lot is just one example... that rather large property only produces $18,000 in property taxes a year. The even larger complex to the south of the tracks reaps just $40,000. This sort of under-utilization of centrally located property helps explain why we lag so far behind our potential. If we can relocate inconsistent, lower-performing uses to more appropriate areas and get some decent TOD in its place that would be a huge improvement.symphonicpoet wrote:Every rendering of the Chouteau Greenway I've seen includes both the old Frisco and MoP lines. What's missing is the assorted yards and industrial track. Sure, there's industry there, but less than there used to be. And it doesn't look like one bit of the industry in the study area is still rail served.
Gives you a lot of faith in them doesn't it?High Speed Rail at Grand? That's such a strange and unneeded suggestion.
During his remarks, Pestello revealed that SLU is undertaking its first campus master planning process since 1989. Specifically called for in the strategic plan, the process is being led by a committee of faculty, staff and student representatives, who have reviewed extensive data.
Source: http://www.slu.edu/news/2016/september/ ... l-2016.phpPestello also announced that SLU has taken steps to establish a redevelopment corporation through Chapter 353 of the Revised Statutes of Missouri — known as the “Urban Redevelopment Corporation Law.”
If approved, SLU would become the “master developer” for a proposed redevelopment area in Midtown that encompasses approximately 395 acres. In that role, SLU would gain the ability to attract others to invest in the area and have a greater say about what is built around the St. Louis campus in the future.
Form Based Code will likely be implemented in this area. If it hasn't already. I think the new administration realizes that it has to go a more urban route if it wants attract the next generation. From everything I have heard. This will definitely be a TOD styled redevelopment and probably the biggest one in St. Louis. We might actually start seeing some of the type of TOD that have been popularized in other cities.framer wrote:^My only worry is, well, you know, SLU being in charge of urban redevelopment.
