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Forest Park Hospital (STL Zoo)

Forest Park Hospital (STL Zoo)

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PostJun 27, 2010#1

It seems Forest Park Hospital is in serious financial trouble and is drastically cutting services. Thoughts?

SLCC has nursing and other medical programs. Do they cooperate with any nearby hospitals for those programs?

The article argues that the growth of hospitals in west county is the reason Forest Park lost business. Isn't the success of two big university medical complexes a bigger issue? If I lived in dogtown, I'd probably still go to the central west end with any medical problems I had.

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PostJun 27, 2010#2

Don't forget that you St. Mary's hospital, SSM, literally down the street on Clayton. I think it is a cause and effect of location (think Barnes Jewish & Childerns, Forest Park, SLU & Cardinals Childern Hospital, and St. Mary's) and the parent company's financial issues. In other words, only a outside group with shady financial background was willing to make a bet on Forest Park.

I think their will be some issues in West County at some point in regards to St. John's Mercy, Mo Baptist Hospital, Des Peres Hospital and the new St. Joe's hospital. A lot of beds and building boom concentrated in a specific geographic location.

The bigger issue of all this, I think its going to take both a significant population growth on top of the aging curve to keep all teh current hospitals open let alone fill all the new beds that have been built. Unfortunately, we are not seeing the population growth and the first victims have been city hospitals.

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PostJun 27, 2010#3

Nothing new here
St Anthony's was formerly at Grand and Chippewa, DePaul at N Kingshighway and Highland, St Luke's at Delmar and Belt, St John's was somewhere in the mass of buildings that is Barnes Jewish.
Of course, earlier they were all further east.

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PostFeb 03, 2011#4

I hurt myself pretty badly on Art Hill today and ended up being rushed off in an ambulance. I asked the EMTs where we were going and they said St. Mary's in Clayton. I asked why not Forest Park Hospital, and they were like, "Where's that?"

This adds weight to the idea that FPH should give up and become a vet school or something (Zoo-university partnership). It obvious isn't going to make it as a hospital for humans in the far future.

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PostFeb 03, 2011#5

Don't have a picture, but there is a For Sale sign and the intersection of Oakland and Hampton. I saw it driving west on Oakland.

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PostFeb 03, 2011#6

Get well Daron!

I think the FP Hospital was purchased be a private doctor's group a couple years ago and has continued to cut services. It's pretty much done as a hospital. My best guess is that it will be demolished for some other development.

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PostFeb 03, 2011#7

Alex Ihnen wrote:Get well Daron!
Thanks. Nothing broken, so I should mend in time.
Alex Ihnen wrote:I think the FP Hospital was purchased be a private doctor's group a couple years ago and has continued to cut services. It's pretty much done as a hospital. My best guess is that it will be demolished for some other development.
Perhaps this is a candidate for the 'What Should Be' project. I think it'd be great if the Zoo could take ownership of the Hampton Concourse and put some of their more urban functions in Dogtown in partnership with a university or SLCC perhaps.

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PostFeb 03, 2011#8

Alex Ihnen wrote:Get well Daron!

I think the FP Hospital was purchased be a private doctor's group a couple years ago and has continued to cut services. It's pretty much done as a hospital. My best guess is that it will be demolished for some other development.
It seems like it would be an attractive location for apts/condos.

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PostFeb 03, 2011#9

^ True. Maybe an office building in the vein of the Highlands (old Arena site), though they've been trying unsuccessfully to build another building or two.

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PostFeb 03, 2011#10

I imagine that the site would be tough to redevelop considering the building were built and have specific purpose. Their is a need for only so much medical office space and see the hospital not only losing out on a shriking demograph but being the weakest of three that also included BJC and SSM who literally have hospitals down the street. I hate to say it, but the parking garage is a plus at the moment.

In that context, Like what Daron is thinking. How can this space/location be used outside the context of more condo's as I rather see projects go forward in CWE or a new tower built at Lindell & Kingshighway or Highlands fill out and more in tune with the park.

Another thought that has always crossed my mind when jogging in Forest Park, seeing the city forest greenhouses moved across the freeway and developed with an expanded SLCC Forest Park program. Forest Park, existing institutions inside and around the Park, and the neighborhoods provide some truly unique opportunities to continue going forward.

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PostFeb 03, 2011#11

Or you could always just return it to being parkland. Between BJC and the Kingshighway and Hampton interchange rebuild, that might end up as a net wash in park acreage.

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PostFeb 03, 2011#12

DaronDierkes wrote: Perhaps this is a candidate for the 'What Should Be' project. I think it'd be great if the Zoo could take ownership of the Hampton Concourse and put some of their more urban functions in Dogtown in partnership with a university or SLCC perhaps.
Or put parking in a structure on that side of the highway, and turn the current Zoo parking lots back into parkland or Zooland.

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PostFeb 03, 2011#13

Condos? Really? Aren't the ones in Dogtown still hurting for tenants?

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PostFeb 03, 2011#14

gary kreie wrote:
DaronDierkes wrote: Perhaps this is a candidate for the 'What Should Be' project. I think it'd be great if the Zoo could take ownership of the Hampton Concourse and put some of their more urban functions in Dogtown in partnership with a university or SLCC perhaps.
Or put parking in a structure on that side of the highway, and turn the current Zoo parking lots back into parkland or Zooland.
The purpose of my suggestion of a vet school for dogs and hippos alike was to make use of the proximity of the Zoo and Humane Society as well as the 'Dogtown' name, but more importantly I wanted to come up with an idea that gave people a reason for walking back and forth across the concourse, and perhaps make a case for redesigning it as a safe pedestrian space for women with perambulators and people like myself that don't like getting hit by cars. It might also help the Tamm business district get a bit more foot traffic.

As the arch redesign stresses off-site parking and a walk-in to enhance the adjacent neighborhood, I think you've hit upon a very interesting idea. Putting zoo parking across the highway means that Hampton would become an important entrance to the park and to the zoo. The Animals Always sculpture could become a pedestrian entrance like it obviously should be. The side of the parking structure could become a very large zoo advertisement. As you suggest, the zoo could then take over its current parking lot and turn it into part of the zoo proper. Wells Drive might need to be rerouted, or maybe left as is with a few more pedestrian bridges added. I'm sure putting animals that close to the highway noise would not be the greatest thing for them.

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PostFeb 03, 2011#15

erina wrote:Condos? Really? Aren't the ones in Dogtown still hurting for tenants?
Well, let's hope not condos like those. They were/are ridiculous, close to $500K I believe?

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PostFeb 04, 2011#16

I think there may be problems with the parking idea:
1. The Zoo just spent so much on the South Lot revamp that I'd doubt they'd want to give that up.
2. Walking the distance from Oakland & Hampton to the Zoo would be a pain in the rear for families with children, as well as for the handicapped. It could project a "prohibitive" image of visiting the Zoo for many potential visitors.

Not critiqueing the ideas as being poor, just unsure how viable they may be.

Meanwhile, the concept of a specialized hospital for animals could be really cool. I'm not sure how profitable those ideas could be, especially considered against other ideas that potentially could be more profitable for development or redevelopment. But ideally, having an off-site, proximate, state-of-the-art veterinary hospital could be an incredible concept to develop. I have no idea what other possible full hospitals exist for animals, if any, but one the size of Forest Park Hospital could be incredible for the whole field. Would the investment / health management group that acquired the hospital consider such a venture? Who knows...

As well, the site could be a great spot to serve for life sciences biotech. We already have wonderful sites set up around the StL area focusing specifically at plant sciences; could this site be viable for various biosciences?

Curious ideas all over this thread, no doubt.

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PostFeb 04, 2011#17

^I think the vet hospital is a fantastic idea. A state of the art veterinary hospital/school that caters to literally all manner of animals would be an amazing asset to have.

Many people have brought up the idea of a world class aquarium in the city. The South Lot would be an amazing place IMHO for this exact thing. Perfect location, no highway noise issues for the animals (would in fact, abate the noise), with the chance to create an amazing world class structure with unbeatable highway visibility. Build a garage across the highway as we are talking about, or further West towards Skinker (easier access to the garage with less traffic in the park). End result would be one of the more impressive cultural assets in America, IMO.

FUNDING! FUNDING!

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PostFeb 04, 2011#18

Unless the zoo were to expand and put animals in the south lot area, a lot across I-64 wouldn't be practical enough for most people. (sigh)

Anyway, I like the vet idea. Doesn't Mizzou have a great vet school?

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PostFeb 04, 2011#19

I am wondering if an idea for the site could be better integrated with its surroundings....


Also, there are many areas for opportunity near the site.


Overall, I think there could be both an animal hospital and aquarium on the site. Part of the hospital and the east garage will likely have to come down. It might be neat to keep the original Deaconess College of Nursing Building and use it for the hospital and then use the rest of the site for the aquarium. It might be feasible to make it into some sort of co-op.

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PostFeb 04, 2011#20

Would be a Killer spot for an aquarium...Nestled in a very cool urban neighborhood right across from Forest Park and great highway access...It's not right on a MetroLink stop but could be credibly part of the Forest Park Shuttle Bus...

One of the Home Depot founders paid for and built a $220 million aquarium off Centennial Olympic park in Downtown Atlanta, what, 3 or 4 years ago...The place has one problem...It's too popular...You seriously gotta hit the place at opening or closing...

Could you imagine being able to somehow make a large tank visible from the outside?? Even lit up at night for a period of time......HOw cool would it be to see a gigantor whale fish swimming along doing his thing as you pass by on the highway........

PostFeb 04, 2011#21

If we still had the keys to A-B, bet they woulda built an indoor Sea World there... Bleh!

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PostFeb 04, 2011#22

FPH merged with St. Alexius in 2010.

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PostFeb 04, 2011#23

RobbyD wrote:Would be a Killer spot for an aquarium...Nestled in a very cool urban neighborhood right across from Forest Park and great highway access...It's not right on a MetroLink stop but could be credibly part of the Forest Park Shuttle Bus...

One of the Home Depot founders paid for and built a $220 million aquarium off Centennial Olympic park in Downtown Atlanta, what, 3 or 4 years ago...The place has one problem...It's too popular...You seriously gotta hit the place at opening or closing...

Could you imagine being able to somehow make a large tank visible from the outside?? Even lit up at night for a period of time......HOw cool would it be to see a gigantor whale fish swimming along doing his thing as you pass by on the highway........
Oh yeah! I'm in. (of course that means nothing because I don't have a penny to contribute)

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PostFeb 04, 2011#24

Forest Park Hospital is still operating an Emergency Room, psychiatric services, and using a bit of office space in that location. The rest of their services have been moved to St. Alexis on south Broadway, which is owned by the same Florida company Success Healthcare. (A hospital management / investment co) The hospital was sold in 2004 and again in 2008 to its current owner. In 2005 the facilities / land were sold to an Illinois company, while a company called Argilla Healthcare continued operations until they sold to the current owner. I think the two primary factors in the reduction of services at this location were unpaid ER visits, but far more importantly, bad investments by the parent company, which preempted planned investment / remodeling of the FP Hospital. So currently, if I understand correctly, the property is owned by one company and operated, in its limited state, by another company.

Through the last decade the hospital was apparently profitable, but there are credible accusations that the profits were diverted to prop up other hospitals owned by Argilla HC. Last year about 300 employees were laid off by Success HC when services were consolidated.

So you have a complicated and unfortunate picture. Its not at all likely that the current owner is going to expand services in the near future, especially given the extra capacity they have at the St. Alexis location.

My doctor used to be there, and I got my rabies vaccination there, but that's a different story.

The north side of the building has some really amazing statuary, and the tower is a neighborhood landmark visible for miles. I'm not sure what the best path is for the property at the moment. There was an occupancy permit approved in Aug. of 2010 for dorms, classrooms & office space for a nursing school (unsure which one) - but maybe that is a path forward for the property - if smaller healthcare or educational tenets can start to use some of the available space. I also love the idea of a vet hospital!

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PostFeb 04, 2011#25

They need to level it and build some awesome condos. I'm sorry, but this is a prime example of a building, that while it has some historic value, is better left to the demolition experts for the sake of City progress. This is Grade A St. Louis real estate. Look how much of this campus swallows up one of the coolest parts of Dogtown/Clayton.

Of course, as it is privately owned, this is all nothing but an awesome pipe dream.

Bonus: this place is right across the street from Mike Talayna's Juke Box!

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